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16knots
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Self-reliance....... isnt it missing for a number of "religious" peoples?
Its the courage to listen to inner awareness and having courage to understand what you truly are and NOT something outside of yourself or reliance on something outside of yourself.
Dependence on beliefs outside of your own truths is slavery. We see it here all the time in these threads. The lack of self-reliance. The worst is when you think you are dependent on another being or God then you are!
Neglected to develop the necessary self-reliance to meet and solve your own situations in life.
We see people here dependent, enslaved, abdicating all responsible authority in favour of a super being, person, religion or philosophy.
A self reliant person is his own Master and can meet lifes challenges with confidence and power in the light of reality.
One does not require inspiration and stimulation from others as we so often see here because a self-reliant person knows his/her own truths and has ones own power.
Often see those who tout divine inspiration, power of God, power of faith are truly lacking in their own self-confidence and self-reliance.
[Edited on 8/1/2008 8:35 PM]
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| Aug 1 @ 8:38 PM |
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BandTMom
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We must all follow our own pathways in the life and whatever lives we have.
It's too bad there are those who insist on dragging others, kicking and screaming, on the paths they perceive as right.
It all lies within us. There is no outside source.
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| Aug 1 @ 8:51 PM |
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SunBabe
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One does not require inspiration and stimulation from others as we so often see here because a self-reliant person knows his/her own truths and has ones own power.
I was not only born self-reliant and independent (according to my parents -- I wasn't an "easy child", lol), but I was also raised that way. I'm the one responsible for my own happiness -- or misery -- and will always accept that fact, no matter what challenges I face. 
(Augh, it'd be a whole lot less frustrating to rely on "someone" or "something" else...but then what would be the point of living? That's just "existing".  )
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| Aug 1 @ 9:42 PM |
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16knots
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It makes me laugh that some people think they will gain eternity in heaven and not work their way. They require a free meal ticket based on the blood of another 
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| Aug 1 @ 9:56 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Often see those who tout divine inspiration, power of God, power of faith are truly lacking in their own self-confidence and self-reliance.
Hm, so these people you are talking about, do they work for money? Do they cook their own food? Do they have and take care of thier children?
Do they cook, clean and live every day to the best of their ability?
Just because we pray to God for help, doesn't mean we are not self reliant.
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| Aug 1 @ 9:58 PM |
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j_goose
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To quote Bev....
"If I need anything, HE will provide it."
He even provides her cigarettes!!!!
That's ridiculous!!
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| Aug 1 @ 9:59 PM |
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BandTMom
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Some are some reliant on "God" that they fail to do anything for themselves.
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| Aug 1 @ 10:10 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I have never seen anyone like that before, or talked to them.
Every has to eat, so they have to get food some how right? Other wise, they would starve.
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| Aug 1 @ 10:19 PM |
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16knots
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Arent we talking 'Religion and Spirituality" here or are we in the "Menus and Cooking Thread"?
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| Aug 1 @ 10:21 PM |
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BandTMom
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I have, Katt.
There are people who sit around just waiting for God to do whatever and not trying to do anything for themselves.
"God helps those who help themselves".
[Edited on 8/1/2008 10:41 PM]
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| Aug 1 @ 10:29 PM |
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j_goose
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Bev. hunt, seal, and Soc would tell you that if they prayed, Manna would fall from the sky.
THOSE people are slaves to their faith.
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| Aug 1 @ 10:41 PM |
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16knots
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Full of guilt of sin which brings poor self-esteem, inadequacy, lack of self-confidence, assortments of physical problems, et cetera and why we read it in their words.
Lets face it when we listen to these "Godly ones" we hear all their past problems. Their tell us of their histories, their families, their ills, their recoveries, et cetera....
All based on their guilt ridden religious dogma. "Sinners." dependencies on a "Blood of Christ" et cetera 
Geeeezussssszzzzzz.... get a life!!!!
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| Aug 1 @ 10:42 PM |
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BandTMom
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I like the fact that I am in control of my life...and my own destiny if you want to call it that.
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| Aug 1 @ 11:26 PM |
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SunBabe
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I have never seen anyone like that before, or talked to them.
Every has to eat, so they have to get food some how right? Other wise, they would starve.
Katt, come back and visit me in this town. It's full of "God will provide" types. I find that I just have to walk away with these people before I say something rude (but true!). I just don't believe "God" is the one who led them to the local food bank, weekly "soup kitchen", WIC office, public health clinic (that's too booked to be able to schedule me for a semi-important followup visit, even though I'm qualified  ), utility-bill abatement office, disability office (for "disabilities" that most other people just cope with), food stamp department, etc...all while screwing their landlords out of the rent, sitting on their fat asses every day, panhandling money from friends and relatives (to cover beer and DirectTV bills  ) and popping out a 5th or 6th feral kid.
I'm serious. The next time I hear that sweet little phrase "God will provide", I'm apt to shove my property and income tax bills down their throat. The government is NOT "God" -- and THEY -- WE -- are the ones "providing", not "Him". 
"Food, shelter, clothing" -- heck, I should have asked God to provide that stuff (just like a couple of my "subsidized" co-workers did) when my kids were young. I'd be a semi-millionaire by now.
But I still feel good about going the "Do-It-Yourself" route instead. Afterall, "God" is awfully busy "providing" for those who won't help themselves (or won't learn to do without!)
(PS I had a period of time, years ago, when I was actually hungry and destitute while my parents were on the other side of the world -- I could give "God" credit for "providing" and pulling me through...but I'd be lying -- it was much more complicated and involved than that in reality.)
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| Aug 1 @ 11:38 PM |
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uncrazy
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I know a panhandler that uses "God Bless" on his sign. He shares his two different corners with another guy...they take breaks so they don't stress out and they are sharing. He works a regular schedule, shows up on time and leaves at the end of his 1st shift to get to his second job.
Yes, I consider this man employed. He's covering his own retirement plan, and if the economy just gets a little better, he'll be able to trade his C430 in for a S500 Mercedes next year.
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| Aug 1 @ 11:59 PM |
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SunBabe
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 I almost rammed a big giant shiney-brand-new SUV down in Ft. Lauderdale when I saw the local "God Bless-type") panhandler get into it and give his lady and family a big hug and kiss. I'd just given him one of the two dollars I had on me -- I didn't even have enough left for the bottle of water that I was craving!  
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| Aug 2 @ 12:32 AM |
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uncrazy
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This thread reminds me of the scripture lines
Ask and you will be given...seek and you will find.
In the Jewish temple missions the ask and seek meant something a little different than what webster offers.
A "seek" was the testing of a person to determine if they would be a good convert to Judaism...by the test you would find them.
An "ask" was a fee paid for a favor, a system set up by Herod to raise money. If you paid an "ask" you would be given.
It might be offered that Herod wasn't a Jew, but he was, and quite a high rank. The line from David had moved into the Herods when the last surviving Hasmonean lady married Herod the Great's father.
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| Aug 2 @ 2:39 AM |
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Angel54214
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Self-reliance....... isnt it missing for a number of "religious" peoples? Self reliance is human nature of all people not matter what beliefs they have or don't have. Making decisions in every day events, people look ahead to predict their own out come of a decision in the making for their advantage of wants and needs.
Its the courage to listen to inner awareness and having courage to understand what you truly are and NOT something outside of yourself or reliance on something outside of yourself. It's does not take courage to self listening, it is evaluation of the already knowledge that exists within. The unknowing is what is feared; not the knowing, thus is the chance that requires the risk taker and the courage to accept the outcome condition.
Dependence on beliefs outside of your own truths is slavery. We see it here all the time in these threads. The lack of self-reliance. The worst is when you think you are dependent on another being or God then you are!
We become our own slaves by choice; beliefs in themselves can not hold one captive except one freely blames it to do so. A belief can be a guidance in it's principle; if only good justifies of itself, then it will be a self reliance proof outwardly to others such as family, co-workers, friends, etc.
Neglected to develop the necessary self-reliance to meet and solve your own situations in life. On the human aspect, all do this from time to time, no one has not. As independantly, we as humans do aim to solve our own situations as we move through life's trials and tribulations. We may chose to do a foolish decision and keep on doing it for what ever reason, and it does eventually stop us in our tracks on a consequence thresh hold. Then we need to re-evaluate a new self-reliance building block to avoid the same foolish decision once made. If we do not, then we neglect this development intentionally and could hurt others as well as our own self.
We see people here dependent, enslaved, abdicating all responsible authority in favour of a super being, person, religion or philosophy. It seems to be a human crave; a disire and need for something outside our selves. It's human nature to be part of something else. A king can not be a king with no kingdom. A husband can not be a husband with out a wife/mate. Even a God can not be a God without life creations. Thus comes the great divide between slave and servant.
A self reliant person is his own Master and can meet lifes challenges with confidence and power in the light of reality. Of couse we are our own masters unto our person. Life challenges come from without and the confidence comes from within self outwardly to those challenges. Human power is only flesh deep; it take action to satisfy the inner reliance or unsatisfy the inner reliance. That is our human given free will. Outside force power is it's own; we have no control of it. It is not ours to make it within. We can not touch the powers of the sea or the wind. We can not touch the quaking of the earth or cool the hottest days of the sun. We can not make it rain or stop the snow from falling. These powers are not ours to claim or change.
One does not require inspiration and stimulation from others as we so often see here because a self-reliant person knows his/her own truths and has ones own power. Unity is as bonding spiritually as it is fleshly. Human desire is for another in companionship to share these unities in joy and prosperity of individual growth. Love is a spiritual bond, weither it be friendship, family member or a mate. The inspiration begins with intention of one self. Many are takers for selfishness while more are givers for another's stimulation of comfort in the relationship bond that is built. Years of this devotion can come crashing down in a few seconds of a mistrust action. It is gone! Maybe even forever...
Often see those who tout divine inspiration, power of God, power of faith are truly lacking in their own self-confidence and self-reliance. This is true, but also it is true of gain through faith of a divine and powerful God. I have witnessed both and have experienced both. I have known millionaires that lost it all through self reliance and I have know the worst of the worst gain through self reliance. The differences are the beliefs of each, for one is weak and the other is strong.
The truth possibly lies that we can not do it all alone. We do reach out to someone or others. We ask their opinions on decision making of our self reliance. Many times we can be our own worst enemy, making all the wrong decisions and then wonder why life is not fair to us. We cry out and shake our fists at God and say it's all his fault on our own decisions we made. Then and only then shall we sit quietly and re-evaluate self reliance to subdue change in becoming our own best friend. Then we can help others we hold dear to our hearts lest we find pleasurable solitude in the abode of a hermit, for he would only laugh to himself.
[Edited on 8/2/2008 3:04 AM]
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| Aug 2 @ 9:11 AM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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You know what Angel? That was a dman good post. I don't always agree with you ( ) but when you put your own thoughts on the screen..it is so much more interesting than copy/pastes.
Good job! 
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| Aug 2 @ 10:22 AM |
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16knots
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Self reliance is human nature of all people not matter what beliefs they have or don't have. Making decisions in every day events, people look ahead to predict their own out come of a decision in the making for their advantage of wants and needs.
The majority of people are robotic in their decisions or mostly take decisions based on past learning which is usually indoctrinated from birth from parents, peers, society as a whole which is usually religious based or some form of philosophy. Extremely few people are beyond this phenomena.
It's does not take courage to self listening, it is evaluation of the already knowledge that exists within. The unknowing is what is feared; not the knowing, thus is the chance that requires the risk taker and the courage to accept the outcome condition.
Few people "self-listen" and hardly anyone knows the difference between "self-listening" as ego-based than total, free, awareness of a greater awareness. Most people havent a clue on the basics of "listening" to innerself. Much of knowing for the masses is fear based. Again brought on by dependence since birth.
We become our own slaves by choice; beliefs in themselves can not hold one captive except one freely blames it to do so. A belief can be a guidance in it's principle; if only good justifies of itself, then it will be a self reliance proof outwardly to others such as family, co-workers, friends, etc.
No, we are indoctrinated from birth and throughout life. We have no choices except when we become aware of our possibilities. When we develop an awareness beyond our religious and worldly indoctrinations that impregnate our minds. Most people are slaves and stuck in the mold and it becomes extremely difficult for most to break that mould. See it all the time here in the threads. There is nothing wrong in doing good but at times even that is a label for some ones good that isnt for someone else.
It seems to be a human crave; a disire and need for something outside our selves. It's human nature to be part of something else. A king can not be a king with no kingdom. A husband can not be a husband with out a wife/mate. Even a God can not be a God without life creations. Thus comes the great divide between slave and servant.
This is a problem that few people are recognizing... "desire" is the cause of all suffering we experience. If people have self-reliance they would have no need to desire. Hence the creation of mythical beings to fulfill desires they can not possibly meet ultimately. The wish fulfillment to depend on another than to seek self-reliance and hence in their wholeness be absolute altruistic.
Of couse we are our own masters unto our person. Life challenges come from without and the confidence comes from within self outwardly to those challenges. Human power is only flesh deep; it take action to satisfy the inner reliance or unsatisfy the inner reliance. That is our human given free will. Outside force power is it's own; we have no control of it. It is not ours to make it within. We can not touch the powers of the sea or the wind. We can not touch the quaking of the earth or cool the hottest days of the sun. We can not make it rain or stop the snow from falling. These powers are not ours to claim or change.
Life challenges comes from within and not without because we are the creators. People bring their so-called outside challenges by their actions from within. "As you think so you become." Human power isnt flesh deep but the power to create anything man has ever known. Even God is a creation of man that he can still think beyond the concept if he so wishes. Man creates his condition. We can can feel the wind, the sun and stop the rain or destroy the earth within moments. Man created his power to do as he wishes and within the human mind which few understand can create his condition any way he wishes.
Unity is as bonding spiritually as it is fleshly. Human desire is for another in companionship to share these unities in joy and prosperity of individual growth. Love is a spiritual bond, weither it be friendship, family member or a mate. The inspiration begins with intention of one self. Many are takers for selfishness while more are givers for another's stimulation of comfort in the relationship bond that is built. Years of this devotion can come crashing down in a few seconds of a mistrust action. It is gone! Maybe even forever...
Basically, no man does anything without an award or benefit of some sought as you describe. The Great Masters taught to be "altruistic" and one can not be ultimately altruistic unless worldly desires are given up or something is done without benefit. We see the Masters letting go these things including "devotion."
[Edited on 8/2/2008 10:24 AM]
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