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Thor1960303
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Except for those on the fringe of religious belief, no one worships Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Odin or any of the other gods of pagan antiquity anymore. Why is that? I personally think that the ancient myths are far more colorful and entertaining than anything in the Bible. I know I enjoyed the stories of how Odin lost his eye or how Pandora unleashed evil on the world when I was a kid learning about this in school. It was more fun reading those stories than enduring the boring lessons in sunday school.
Well these days, we know that thunder is not caused by Zeus throwing thunderbolts or Thor throwing his hammer. We know the sun is not Apollo riding in his fiery chariot.
Now we face yet another change in the religious environment and that's a moving away from a literal interpretation of scripture. We know the world is 4.6 billion years old, NOT the mere 6000 the Bible allows for. We can also play connect the dots with the central character figures in the Bible and see where the stories originated and thus separate the folklore and myth from historical fact. Fundamentalists see this as a sign of end times and ridiculous debates where science is bended into fable with tabloidesque stories from spurious sources and regurgitated as fact are spawned( have a look at snopes. com for some hysterical religious urban legends).
How long do you think it will be before the stories in the Bible are finally retired to the shelves alongside the Illiad and the Odessey? Uncrazy, Yash, you guys are more educated than I in history, when the ancient myths were dying, did the people who faithfully believed in the ancient gods fight reason as much as today's fundamentalist Christians and radical militant Muslims?
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| Aug 7 @ 11:22 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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wow... you are all over the place here... 
bottom line from your posting is... just one question... what will replace the religions of today once you have exposed them all for what they are...??
Just man's feeble attempt to explain the unexplainable ...
...which is.. who is god.. how did we get here.. and.. what happens when we die...
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| Aug 7 @ 11:33 AM |
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16knots
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Actually, many other belief systems "show us the way" for us to follow and does strike home at the heart and mind to the "truth". That is the "Absolute truth."
Problem is that many religions fail to see beyond their own dogma, contradictions, untruths and bordered realities.
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| Aug 7 @ 12:16 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Actually, many other belief systems "show us the way" for us to follow and does strike home at the heart and mind to the "truth". That is the "Absolute truth."
based on???? the written word?? the feeling of ... it is right?? or.. .gee.. it must be right..even if it is wrong.. otherwise... what is the point of living for the future??
and if so... ..... the now is all that matters.. 
 is this going to be the new religion ?
my thoughts are that everyone is headed to the same destination... but are all trying to say their vehicle is the brightest shiniest and best...
( except for hammer... the high priest of the new religion...  )
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| Aug 7 @ 2:53 PM |
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Thor1960303
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... what will replace the religions of today once you have exposed them all for what they are...??
Just man's feeble attempt to explain the unexplainable ...
Hopefully some explanations.
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| Aug 7 @ 3:31 PM |
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16knots
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Actually, many other belief systems "show us the way" for us to follow and does strike home at the heart and mind to the "truth". That is the "Absolute truth."
GH:
based on???? the written word?? the feeling of ... it is right?? or.. .gee.. it must be right..even if it is wrong.. otherwise... what is the point of living for the future??
Based on other religions showing us a way. That is demonstrating their truths in absolute reality and not some bounded reality that some religions try to insulate us in.
It is never the case that all religions teach the same thing and the same end goal. That is a nonsense. Many religions will claim that they are right and base their sole foundations of saying they have the truth when infact it is, in itself a lie. Truth can be found by each individual seeking the truth and questioning what they seek and find. Few religions, notably Christianity allows one to do that. It does not allow for questioning of its truths therefore one is none the wiser as it can be found when their is so much ignorance towards other people beliefs. People are simply ignorant.
In the first instance does ANY religion hold to scrutiny? Obviously, many dont. They dont even pass the first grade!
and if so... ..... the now is all that matters..
is this going to be the new religion ?
Eventually, rational people who question and scrutinise what is placed before them will seek the truth and leave behind the religions of the past.
my thoughts are that everyone is headed to the same destination... but are all trying to say their vehicle is the brightest shiniest and best...
This is never true for many reasons. The best reason is that those who do know the truth leave others behind out of love, compassion and wisdom. These behind are only guided by the enlightened when they are ready to learn.
( except for hammer... the high priest of the new religion... )
It is a shame hammer isnt listened too because, no matter how far to one extreme he goes, there is validity in his truths.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:03 PM |
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eastham
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Can't speak for Zeus, but Odin is still popular in some quarters. Current Odin worshippers are called Asatru pagans.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:38 PM |
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j_goose
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The "loss in interest" in these gods was really FORCED by early christianity.
History is told from the victor's point of view.
Where do you think all the christian plagurism came from?
To make the new state religion more attractive to the pagans that were conquered.
NOthing is origional nor exclusive to christianity.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:41 PM |
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kattsmeow
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When I get my next cat I am going to name him Thor..
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| Aug 7 @ 5:48 PM |
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j_goose
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The Doberman's on Magnum P.I. were names Zeus and Apollo.
I miss that show.
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| Aug 7 @ 6:11 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I had forgot about those dogs. I loved the show too.
These kind of names bring about how strong an animal is. 
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| Aug 7 @ 6:34 PM |
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j_goose
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No one names their dog "Jesus".
I once had a pet rabbit named "dinner"
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| Aug 7 @ 6:35 PM |
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kattsmeow
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No, but my husbands middle name is that.
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| Aug 7 @ 11:19 PM |
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Angel54214
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Except for those on the fringe of religious belief, no one worships Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Odin or any of the other gods of pagan antiquity anymore. Why is that?
Thor...just google "Doreta Peppa", "Peppa The High Priestess" or "Ellinais". You will find your Zeus and/or Olympian god worshippers. This particular Olympian revival sect has been fighting to have access to the ancient Zeus temple, which is historically protected in Greece.
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| Aug 8 @ 12:21 AM |
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uncrazy
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Thor,
If anyone can find it Angel54 can...I can only imagine what's on her wall of books.
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| Aug 8 @ 12:46 AM |
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hammertime
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How long do you think it will be before the stories in the Bible are finally retired to the shelves alongside the Illiad and the Odessey? I was thinking more on the lines of Tarot cards and Crystal balls. Its already happening. Its been happening in the last few decades with the advent of the internet. That will speed up the process because every human is capable of plugging into a global community and share ideas. Religion always wanted to censor that and did successfully for thousands of years and murdered anyone who got attention. They can't do that anymore especially in this technological age of the global village. They can't do that anymore but they are trying very hard to keep those in their world dumb, stupid and ignorant by brainwashing their children at an early age.
Uncrazy, Yash, you guys are more educated than I in history, when the ancient myths were dying, did the people who faithfully believed in the ancient gods fight reason as much as today's fundamentalist Christians and radical militant Muslims? It was pretty much the Christians themselves that murdered these people. They died along with their myths. One example is about insane Christians burning down the Library of Alexandria. Psychopaths destroyed knowledge by burning the Library at Alexandria and murdering of one of its last scientists, Hypatia.
Hypatia was a mathematician, astronomer, physicist and the head of the Neoplatonic school of philosophy. Hypatia was also a woman. During her time a struggle of insane religious Christian forces was taking hold. Its force was to eradicate Pagan influence and culture. Cyril, Archbishop of Alexandria despised Hypatia for what she represented. An insane Christian mob dragged her from a chariot and later ripped her flesh off with sharp instruments, a horrible bloody death. Her works were forgotten and Cyril was made into a saint.
The loss of the Library at Alexandria may have set back humanity for over 1000 years. The tragic loss may have contained the records of Plato's Atlantis and records on how the Pyramids were constructed. An unknown vast amount of knowledge of the ancient world has been destroyed forever thanks to Cyril's Christian lunatics.
Christianity is worse than a cancer on humanity. Its more like an Ebola virus where you bleed from every orifice as your guts liquefy.
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| Aug 8 @ 1:03 AM |
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sail_dancer
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An unknown vast amount of knowledge of the ancient world has been destroyed forever thanks to Cyril's Christian lunatics. 
Peace
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| Aug 8 @ 1:28 AM |
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uncrazy
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Hammer,
...when the ancient myths were dying, did the people who faithfully believed in the ancient gods fight reason...
The stories of the conflicts recorded in the OT show the rising and dying of these gods, each segment showing the change of gods by the names adopted by the rulers in both Egyptian dynasties and the Babylonian dynasty moved to Egypt by Abraham.
Example are pharoahs with names meaning "beloved of" or "pleasure of" then add the following Amun, Ra, Horus, Thoth, Aten. For the patriarchs it was beloved of" or "pleasure of" Yahweh, sometimes Jehovah. The name Mary has the deepest Egyptian roots...a term meaning by itself "beloved of" followed by the ruler's name who loved them. These Marys identified powerful dynastic queens, a practice also found in the Jewish temple mission structures, likely a clue where the patriarchal and pharonic lines linked to create heirs for both. This is seen where the story of the Abrahamic lines approach the pharoahs in the 12th and 18th dynasties. They weren't just trading farm commodities.
That is why there are so many Marys in the NT. It showed a position in the Jewish female monastic orders more than just standing for some generic woman. Dan and Asher were the two orders I'm aware of in the temple days of Jesus. Mary the mother, Mary the wife of Jesus brother, Magdalene, Helena the wife of Simon Magus were all women leading these orders. For reason I cannot yet sort out Magdalene would not consider herself as a virgin, but as a queen, even though she led one of the celibate monastic orders of women. Sarah's were the princesses in service to the Mary's. Jesus's youngest sister was a Sarah. While the Jewish social structure was completely dominated by the temple structures and seem very complicated, it does allow us clues about the story told in the bible.
At first look they appear to be too complex, but soon patterns emerge like in calculus after we study and practice with the rules. We quickly learn to overlay them on the phenomena we see in front of us in nature. And as always we will look like magicians to those that watch us...that lasts until a majority of the people take the class.
There will always be last gaspers who thrill to people seeing them as magicians...they will remain in service to those who say the have no need to take the class.
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| Aug 8 @ 1:37 AM |
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uncrazy
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Sail,
I've read scientists that estimate we would have made it to the moon in the 1700s had we been able to use this ancient knowledge in sciences and mathematics.
Another comment have always enjoyed related to this is the church safeguarded the world for the dark ages. I cant' remember the source though.
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| Aug 8 @ 8:32 AM |
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16knots
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"Dark Ages" - there was no such thing. It used to be thought that this time was such that was to be called the "Dark Ages" but now in fact is a time of renaissance. Trade, commerce, education, art, exploration, et cetera.
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