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ServantOfChrist2
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Todays Devotional reading from In Touch.
"Defeating False Teachers--Outside a grocery store one evening, I watched two young men confronting shoppers with an erroneous statement about scriptural teaching. Anyone who seemed vague about Christian faith was invited to learn 'what God really said' at a Bible study. I was not invited. In fact, the men abandoned me quickly when I used the Word to defend my beliefs.
A false teacher wants to create uncertainty in his listeners. In order to gain followers, he must persuade his audience that he possesses knowledge they lack. The people who accept this misleading information as absolute truth will usually return to the false teacher for more. Having followers strokes his ego and provides 'proof' that he is right.
Those who have a sound doctrine won't be led astray. That's why it is so important for our faith to rest on Biblical truth--for example, Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, the Holy Spirit dwells in Believers, and Christians will be resurrected bodily. Defeating false teachers takes more than 'my pastor says...'
When confronted, we must defend our faith with Scripture we ourselves have studied. By regularily reading and applying God's Word, we will be better prepared when confronted with untruth.
Building a sound doctrine protects Believers from misleading messages and arms them to defend the faith. Don't be caught unprepared. If you haven't already started, begin to study the Bible today. Should you need help, ask your pastor or a Godly mentor for guidance."
I got a giggle from this. Although the author probably does not visit MatchDoctor, it seemed like he was describing a couple of individuals who post regularily here. 
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| Aug 7 @ 3:32 PM |
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16knots
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SOC,
does your God "kill nations"?
Does your God "put to death" people?
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| Aug 7 @ 3:35 PM |
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hammertime
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Words from a true teacher....a tutor actually.
I would be willing to illustrate my overwhelming love for God, by stoning the woman in-question.
To this day, I'm positive the discussion went something like this...
The voice, So you want healing....what are you willing to sacrifice to Me?
A quick check of my personal inventory revealed no livestock. Not much of anything really.
But my thoughts went to those things I most enjoyed in life.
It was a no-brainer: SEX. That was 25 years ago.
I also believe that un-Saved people go directly, after judgement, to eternal torment.
Yes. You are correct.
That is the opinion I wanted to communicate.
You acknowledge understanding what my opinion is.
Those are just a few words from a true teacher...
Words from another true teacher
Wrong again. I am a liscensed psychologist.
I am a liscensed clinical psychologist, Hammer. 
[Edited on 8/7/2008 3:44 PM]
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| Aug 7 @ 3:45 PM |
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uncrazy
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SOC,
Anyone who seemed vague about Christian faith was invited to learn 'what God really said' at a Bible study.
In the words I've bolded and underlined, this is also what so many of the christians are saying to the rest of us on these threads.
From an earlier post:
That the temple info gets encoded we have the clue about Jarius, whose daughter died and he asked Jesus for help in his early mission years. This small group of words in my preceeding sentence names the temple, the city, and gives us the name of the girl who died.
You have studied the text for years, it should not be vague to you and fully clear what God is saying in this gospel text. I invite you to confront me as a false teacher with what you are calling scriptural truth. Jesus never in your book declared you foundational truths to be truth...he declared something else to be true...most of Jesus's truths never made it to the creeds, especially the one he added himself saying they superceded all the rest.
I invite you to take a guess at the temple, the official, the city, and the name of the daughter?
[Edited on 8/7/2008 3:52 PM]
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| Aug 7 @ 3:49 PM |
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SunBabe
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I'd be more interested in a topic entitled "Defining False Teachers"
By regularily reading and applying God's Word, we will be better prepared when confronted with untruth.
Personally, I believe that by regularly reading and applying our "God-given BRAIN" through intellectual reasoning to reach our conclusions, everyone is better prepared when confronted with "untruth" or illogical parroted opinions. 
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| Aug 7 @ 3:50 PM |
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hammertime
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I'd be more interested in a topic entitled "Defining False Teachers"
Lets start with the true teachers....
On May 5, 2007
SOC saidI would be willing to illustrate my overwhelming love for God, by stoning the woman in-question.
Bev said
Amen, soc.
And she said on another day
I am a liscensed clinical psychologist, Hammer.
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| Aug 7 @ 4:18 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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hammertime, why is it always necessary for you to shorten the question you originally tried to trap me with?
While I do not mean to suggest that what you have copied here is not accurate. I accuse you of ammending the conversation in a strategic way.
Did you not instruct me that the only acceptable answers were either a "Yes. I would stone her." Or, "No. I would not stone her.
You told me that no other answers were allowed. No reasoning could be involved.
It had to be either one or the other.
When I said that He does not issue such commands since the appearance of Christ. You said that such information was not applicable.
Answer either Yes or No was the instruction.
My response was intended to convey the strength of my conviction to be obedient to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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| Aug 7 @ 4:21 PM |
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hammertime
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So good, you're admitting your only answer could be that you were willing to throw rocks at a woman if God told you. Case closed. You suffer from a lack of discernment about what is morally right. You are willing to follow orders from a voice in your head which indicates a mental illness. Doesn't this make you legally insane? What's there to discuss? Now what about the rest of the questions?
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| Aug 7 @ 4:39 PM |
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SunBabe
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Yanno, Hammer, your "trick question" is becoming a little boring in its redundancy. 
Sheesh, besides, zillions of people have "stoned" or killed (or considered it) for a whole lot less justifiable "reasoning" (in their minds) than "following orders of a leader" who they trust.
Heck, there are two people in this world I'd have no qualms whatsover blowing away, given the opportunity...and in MY mind, I'd be perfectly justified in doing this "service" for society. It's my lack of faith that's behind my beliefs -- lack of faith in a different "higher power" that we all fall under: our justice system.
What's "false" is the idea that I'd be forgiven...I'd be the one to die for my "sins" if I did it, no two ways about it. 
(Ohhh, but it's SO tempting, sometimes, to choose to die as a martyr  )
[Edited on 8/7/2008 4:40 PM]
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| Aug 7 @ 4:40 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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In order to gain followers, he must persuade his audience that he possesses knowledge they lack. The people who accept this misleading information as absolute truth will usually return to the false teacher for more. Having followers strokes his ego and provides 'proof' that he is right.
I got a giggle from this. Although the author probably does not visit MatchDoctor, it seemed like he was describing a couple of individuals who post regularily here.
No shit! It sounds just like your's and Bev's relationship! 
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| Aug 7 @ 5:34 PM |
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kattsmeow
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A false teacher in Christianity would be a person that adds or takes away from the words of the Bible.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:36 PM |
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bevrice
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Puke, you will find that SOC and I can back up things with scripture. But, those of you who don't have the Holy Spirit, can't understand the scripture anyway. So, SOC's point is that you are easily deceived, you know.
Sun, I'll take faith over brains anyday. I have brains, but have found over the years, that my faith has done a lot more for me, than my brains ever could have, than anyone's brains could have.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:41 PM |
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SunBabe
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 Whatever floats your boat.
I have faith in my brains. Some of us are better at using the tools that we're generously given than others are, it seems.
those of you who don't have the Holy Spirit, can't understand the scripture anyway.
OK, now this is a keeper!  
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| Aug 7 @ 5:44 PM |
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j_goose
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Puke, you will find that SOC and I can back up things with scripture. But, those of you who don't have the Holy Spirit, can't understand the scripture anyway. So, SOC's point is that you are easily deceived, you know.
You've GOT to be kidding me........
You don't know everyone's back ground, BEv. Get over yourself.
God condoned slavery.
God condoned murder.
God condoned RAPE.
You're an idiot.
It is futile to back up scripture with scripture. THat's like me saying "I'm a psychologist, and I can send you a letter from my minister to prove it..."
BTW where's the creds?
Kinko's has a scanner for you to use, so does Office max.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:45 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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No hammertime, you are incorrect...again.
I would not obey a voice in my head. That just might be a little delusional.
I said I would obey God. There is a big difference.
But you would not know that because evidently you have never heard God's voice. So you have no way of identifying Him.
Except that when you do hear His voice then you'll finally comprehend what these other people who you call delusional have been talking about.
You have a very limited understanding of reality. While you seem to excell at your understanding of many things...as far as spirituality + Christianity go, you are unlearned.
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| Aug 7 @ 5:47 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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Let me make things perfectly clear here....
While I WILL be leaving soon, Goose has offered to stay behind to accept Bev's credentials. This is our email account together. I have already emailed Bev that though I may be going of the site....I will continue to check for her credentials.
*Goose, you and the magic 8 ball were right. The scanner DID break!
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| Aug 7 @ 5:47 PM |
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j_goose
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You have a very limited understanding of reality
Tonight is turning out to be VERY entertaining.....
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| Aug 7 @ 6:57 PM |
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hammertime
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I would not obey a voice in my head. That just might be a little delusional.
I said I would obey God. There is a big difference.
But you would not know that because evidently you have never heard God's voice. So you have no way of identifying Him.
So you hear the voice outside your head as if you hear it through you ears instead of inside your mind. You are still admitting to this hallucination as an auditory hallucination with a difference in how you perceive it. That is something you can can tell the judge when you do stone a woman to death that, "God told me to do it". That would allow you to plead insanity.
You have a mental illness. Thats what an auditory hallucination sounds like. Go see a real doctor.
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| Aug 7 @ 7:00 PM |
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kattsmeow
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| Aug 7 @ 7:05 PM |
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16knots
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Hammer, they just live in denial.
It doesnt matter if they hear voices in the head or outside of the head, it is still enclosed with a thick brick wall.
SOC, isnt speaking truth to his beliefs when he doesnt answer the questions put forward to him.
E.g.
SOC, does God kill Nations? And, does he put to death people?
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