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ServantOfChrist2
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Who doesn't need forgiveness?
This is the devotional for today from the InTouch devotional magazine.
"The Bible is a guidebook mapping the route to an eternal home. But travelers must read and follow the directions. Some people claim they will get to heaven because of their morality, their religious observances, or even their belief that God exists. But those paths end at death.
The only 'road' leading to God's eternal home is faith in Jesus Christ (John 14:6--'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.') Scripture gives us three landmarks along the route--points when there is an awareness of Christ and our need for Him.
Landmark 1: I am a sinner. Everyone has done wrong (Isaiah 53:6--'We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.' Romans 3:23--'for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' But only someone under the convicting power of the Holy Spirit recognizes that sin is what separates us from holy God (John 9:31--'We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the Godly man who does His will." When the spiritual seeker has this awareness about iniquity, he is accountable for his response.
Landmark 2: Jesus is perfect. Christ's sinless sacrifice on the cross bridges the gap between the Father and His creation. Our Saviour paid all past, present, and future sin-debt.
Landmark 3: I need Jesus. The defining moment on the journey is the point when the traveler believes Jesus is who He claimed to be. Belief is accompanied by repentance--a turning away from old sins. The pilgrim is given a brand-new nature and is welcomed into God's family. (2Corinthians 5:17--'Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation: the old has gone. the new has come!' John 1:12--'Yet to all who receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God.
Are you on the road to discovering the Lord? Here is a peek at what is ahead if you stay the course: redemption (Romans 3:24--'and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus., and a great adventure walking with Jesus."
His forgiveness is easily gotten.
The only route to a pleasant eternal home.
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| Aug 8 @ 5:20 PM |
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uncrazy
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SOC,
Jesus washed them away after he told us "all that is required".
Your claim of needing extra forgiveness blaphemes the reason you offer for his death.
Perhaps like the Lord's Prayer says, he wants us to forgive others of all we have judged them guilty...the earned price of forgiveness.
Looking for the forgiveness from an act of God and not by my changing, I would be searching for the easy way out. I'm relieved of the doing anything to deserve my forgiveness. Perhaps this is why christians declare grace an unearned benefit.
I remember always that to keep from forgiving you, I justify my actions by judging you. A hard habit to break, especially when my dogma supports this kind of thinking and behavior in my actions toward others as a proff of my following God's directives. Judging others justifies my not forgiving you and not loving you as I love me.
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| Aug 8 @ 7:13 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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 uncrazy...what is with you my friend??
You're getting to be as cantankerous as somebody else here. (Who'll go unnamed.)
Everything I post lately, you jump on.
Where did I claim extra-forgiveness is required?? The only required forgiveness from God that I'm aware of is an almost ridiculously-simple thing.
Many reject salvation through grace because of its simplicity. Many believe salvation is a merited thing...achieved through works.
I'll be honest with you . I'm not having a very easy time muddling through this post. Usually your posts are a treat to read.
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| Aug 8 @ 7:17 PM |
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16knots
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SOC,
we all see but why can't you?
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| Aug 8 @ 7:32 PM |
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uncrazy
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SOC,
Notice that I am only speaking of me and my experience applying what is said in the book. I regret they are hard to read at times.
I am also aware that some readers suffered some discomfort at my posts on Jarius. I was as gentle as I could be in presenting the information that has sat infront of us all for 2000 years...doesn't it even give you cause to wonder why this raising of the dead sits so far under the radar, and no one but those called lost or unbelievers could find the meaning of the few words in the sentence?
How much more is there...the dogma has for too long called the normal and profane sacred? I think christians are desperate for miracles because the dogma is not sustaining like it used to.
The good news is the miracles in the Jesus story understood with the relearning of our own history will probably be the key to seeing what the rest of the story is saying.
Many will find it horrifying to their current understandings, but those have long found most ideas outside of their own understanding to be horrible. Those seeing the long hidden story will have the campassion, mercy, forgiveness that will be the gifts of the story and remain in service to the horrified.
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| Aug 8 @ 7:38 PM |
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BandTMom
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Uncrazy.
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| Aug 8 @ 7:50 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Many will find it horrifying to their current understandings, but those have long found most ideas outside of their own understanding to be horrible. Those seeing the long hidden story will have the campassion, mercy, forgiveness that will be the gifts of the story and remain in service to the horrified. Well said again, uncrazy. 
Peace
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| Aug 8 @ 9:09 PM |
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Jankia
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SOC- Many believe salvation is a merited thing...achieved through works.
Isnt it a "merited thing"?
Just as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. Colossians
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| Aug 8 @ 9:14 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Just as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
Peace
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| Aug 8 @ 9:22 PM |
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j_goose
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Who doesn't need forgiveness?
Me ! ME!
Everythign I have ever done was a choice, MY CHOICE. I do not seek nor do I need forgiveness.
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| Aug 8 @ 9:22 PM |
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kattsmeow
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am also aware that some readers suffered some discomfort at my posts on Jarius. I was as gentle as I could be in presenting the information that has sat infront of us all for 2000 years...doesn't it even give you cause to wonder why this raising of the dead sits so far under the radar, and no one but those called lost or unbelievers could find the meaning of the few words in the sentence?
Yesterday was the first time I ever heard of this. Sorry, I can't believe that the young child, raised up a few years before Jesus died is Mary Magdellen.(sp)
I am not saying that wasn't the name of the father, but the whole thing doesn't make sense. She was a small child,,,not a woman, as would have been said.
Now, that is according to my Bible, not the Torah, or other books.
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| Aug 8 @ 9:28 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Katt,
It was a different tome then. Mary gave birth to Jesus when she was 14 years old. In the example uncrazy presented, MM would have been 12 years old (?), anything but a child in those days.
Peace
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| Aug 8 @ 9:33 PM |
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BandTMom
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Yes, and the Bible doesn't state the age of the "daughter".
I found Uncrazy's explanation of this fascinating.
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| Aug 8 @ 10:00 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Sorry. Poor choice of words on my part.
You're correct Jankia. It is a merited thing.
Not earned. Merited. Thank you for the gentle correction. 
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| Aug 8 @ 10:16 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
You're correct Jankia. It is a merited thing.
Not earned. Merited.
You don't even realize that both "earned" and "merited" mean the same and are interchangable.
From Thesaurus.com:
Main Entry: earn
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: To acquire as a result of one's behavior or effort.
Synonyms: deserve, gain, get, merit, win Main Entry: merit
Part of Speech: verb
Synonyms: award, credit, desert, deserts, deserve, dignity, earn, excellence, rate, reward, stature, virtue, warrant, worth
It must be a christian thing to play on words.
Peace
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| Aug 8 @ 10:32 PM |
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hammertime
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I thought the Holy Spirit was supposed to kick in for all that discernment. Maybe the batteries are low.
Its amazing how such folks hang on to every word without ever using their critical thinking skills to get through life.
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| Aug 8 @ 10:33 PM |
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BandTMom
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A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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| Aug 8 @ 10:38 PM |
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uncrazy
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Katts,
She was around 12 years old in the story. What is so odd about the age difference? Joseph was arround 36, Mary 17-19 I estimate at the first betrothal.
That Joseph should precede her in death is not odd, that the Son of God's father's death is not noted clearly in the bible seems odd.
It is significant to me because Joseph was the David, before he died or retired, when Jesus would become the David. He carried the Star of David as a sign of his office, but this got changed into a celestial body. The Magi(Magian Jews) quartered in Damascus. The fable is a nice story.
A David(Joseph) of the line gets labeled a carpenter? The story is written so we cannot fail to see what it says. The moment we relearn even a little of our Jewish history...the bible story shouts for us to look here, look here. Eye to see and ears to hear.
I don't know it all, just little bits...but I am also patient and will ask the Jews what my history is. It is richly interwoven, and I will get some stuff wrong...but I will never ever be completely lost again.
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| Aug 8 @ 10:46 PM |
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Jankia
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In what way is the definition of "merited" and "earned" a Christain play on words? earned
adj. - Gained or acquired; Gained by labor or service. to come to be duly worthy of or entitled or suited to ...she earned a promotion
b: to make worthy of or obtain for ...the suggestion earned him a promotion
merited
adjective
Consistent with prevailing or accepted standards or circumstances: appropriate, deserved, due, fitting, just, proper, right, rightful, suitable.
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| Aug 8 @ 11:09 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
The words "earned" and "merited" are synonyms.SOC in his respones made it appear that they meant different things when it comes to acheiving salvation.
So he was playing with words to try to say that slvation isn't earned.
You know what he was doing , so why are you playing games yourself.
By the way, do you think that you have to earn salvation?
Peace
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