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Christians and mental illness
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hammertime
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Why do Christians not help other Christians when they're suffering mental illness?
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| Aug 12 @ 2:44 PM |
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16knots
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Why do Christians ignore their own scriptures 
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| Aug 12 @ 2:57 PM |
Christians and mental illness
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hammertime
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Its obvious that Bev suffers a serious mental illness, likely bipolar mania, schitzoaffective and then depression(manic and narcoleptic) when not posting. Few can post days on end without rest. Mania does that. Yet other Christians would prefer to see her problem being one of bad attitude and not see that there is a mental imbalance. Is that to protect themselves from also learning they too suffer similar delusions but to a lesser degree? Perhaps they are right on the edge but Bev is way over it so that focus is on her. The others hide hoping they don't get noticed too. That is, they notice the same mental aberration in themselves.
[Edited on 8/12/2008 2:59 PM]
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| Aug 12 @ 2:59 PM |
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uncrazy
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16knots & Hammer,
Easy answers...
The will use exorcism if the mental illness gets bad enough,
They forgot their Jewish history and the spirit baptism cannot see into it.
[Edited on 8/12/2008 3:01 PM]
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| Aug 12 @ 2:59 PM |
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16knots
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Its very obvious Christians are in denial. I hate to paste huge copy/paste but it is interesting:
It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself.
Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.
The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB) There are many more quotes on this topic at my "Do Not Ignore the Old Testament" web page.
I know that most Christians believe that God is a good and loving god, and wants people to do good things. I believe that most people want to do good things and behave morally. I also believe that many Christians haven’t really read the Bible, or just read certain passages in church. This is understandable, as the Bible is hard to read due to its archaic language and obscure references. Also many priests and preachers don’t like to read certain passages in the Bible because they present a message of hate not love.
If you follow the links on the left side of this page you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers. You can also discuss things related to this web site or religion and atheism in general at the EvilBible.com Discussion Forum.
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| Aug 12 @ 3:03 PM |
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hammertime
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The medical profession has written articles in their journals that Christians avoid medical care, especially mental health care. Doctors who are Christians often will not refer patients with mental problems to a psychiatrist and would attempt to treat the patient themselves. This is a known problem and isolates Christians as a group from proper treatment. Religion seems to be a mask that hides serious psychosis that anyone else would be on medication for.
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| Aug 12 @ 3:05 PM |
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16knots
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Uncrazy, sorry, I didnt see your posting their before the heavy copy/paste.
But you are right. Exorcism was a huge excuse to treat mental illness and I bet it still goes on to a large extent.
I personally and most recently had fool Christians try to have a parent take her child to church to make him walk! Because, she mentioned to them she was taking her child to hospital to have operations on his legs.
HELL NO!!! I personally drove 600m taking them both to the hospital!
I wouldnt mind so much but these crazy crack-pots are effecting our society too much here!
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| Aug 12 @ 3:05 PM |
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hammertime
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Knots, this thread is not about scripture per se but a mentally unsound Christian would use scripture to support their delusions. One Christian used scripture to back up his willingness to stone a women if his god told him to do so. He is known to hear voices.
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| Aug 12 @ 3:10 PM |
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16knots
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Sorry, Hammer, my point is that their troubles start when they believe in scripture when facing them is its ludicrous evil content. They say on one foot its wonderful and holy and on the other foot they simply ignore the fact. Hence, THIS IS a mental illness.
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| Aug 12 @ 3:25 PM |
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hammertime
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Sorry, Hammer, my point is that their troubles start when they believe in scripture when facing them is its ludicrous evil content. What's really sorry is their lack of foundation in their false beliefs. If they see a comet, they think its a sign from god. Tides rising from the full moon has another meaning to them. They fill their lives up with obsessiveness and little reality.
Even beyond that is when organic mental illness enters their lives, they see that as more evidence they are being spoken to by god and angels and refuse medical treatment. One of them even fantasizes being a doctor.
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| Aug 12 @ 4:58 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Its obvious that Bev suffers a serious mental illness, likely bipolar mania, schitzoaffective and then depression(manic and narcoleptic) when not posting. Few can post days on end without rest. Mania does that. Yet other Christians would prefer to see her problem being one of bad attitude and not see that there is a mental imbalance. Is that to protect themselves from also learning they too suffer similar delusions but to a lesser degree? Perhaps they are right on the edge but Bev is way over it so that focus is on her. The others hide hoping they don't get noticed too. That is, they notice the same mental aberration in themselves. I take great issue with Bev's "Christian" behavoir on this board. Just going through these forums, though, I cannot diagnose her as mentally ill. Even if I were to examine her in person, I am still not qualified.
Mind you, I am not arguing the point. She may very well be loony, and her behavior has certainly been in line with that, it is just that I am not the one to make that call.
The best I can do for her is to complain about her behavoir, but I am powerless to do more than that. I have no access to her other than these boards (and if I did, I doubt I would want to use it)
If complaining about her bahvoir does not help, I cannot silence her or ban her. I don't have the authority, or I would do it in a heart beat.
I agree with you that what the other Christians are doing to help her seems woefully inadequate, but I do not see a means to do anything else.
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| Aug 12 @ 5:02 PM |
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bevrice
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Lol, you guys are full of it and then some.  And what you are full of sure isn't GOD.
By the way, lance, I have as much right to express my faith as you do your lack of such.
[Edited on 8/12/2008 5:04 PM]
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| Aug 12 @ 5:03 PM |
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hammertime
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When are you seeing a psychiatrist? Do you have to drive over someone first before you go?
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| Aug 12 @ 5:07 PM |
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hammertime
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Lance
You make a good point but when you say loony, you are understating the facts. When someone hears voices, believes god is talking to them verbally, feels hands on them, babbles gibberish and convulses. Thats more than enough to know someone has a mental problem. You're right about diagnosis, only a real psychologist or psychiatrist can do that. She needs to go see one. And the funny part is she thinks she is a psychologist. Its actually not that uncommon in mentally ill people. May of them think they're more sane than even the doctors. Ask her, she'll say she is.
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| Aug 12 @ 5:09 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Don't worry Hammer!
God is with her and he will allow her car to pass through anything that gets into her way. Just like on the bridge. So how can she be a dangerous driver?
The only people the christian god would allow her to hit are non-believers and heathens. This is the USA and there is no place here for non-believers and heathens here. Like Bev says, this is a christian country and non-christians are not welcome anyway.
So Bev driving is a weapon of the christian god!
Peace
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| Aug 12 @ 5:11 PM |
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j_goose
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Lance:
The best I can do for her is to complain about her behavoir, but I am powerless to do more than that. I have no access to her other than these boards (and if I did, I doubt I would want to use it)
Open an AMD account.(are you "well-endowed?")
Bev
By the way, lance, I have as much right to express my faith as you do your lack of such.
True.
However you have NO right to say your faith is the ONLY faith.
You have NO right to say that your god is the only god.
You have NO right to call those who do not follow your spiritual path "devil worshipers."
You have NO right to watch other people's kids and LOSE them.
You have NO right to call yourself a liscensed Psychologist.
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| Aug 12 @ 5:13 PM |
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BandTMom
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Goose!
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| Aug 12 @ 5:16 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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However you have NO right to say your faith is the ONLY faith.
You have NO right to say that your god is the only god.
You have NO right to call those who do not follow your spiritual path "devil worshipers."
You have NO right to watch other people's kids and LOSE them.
You have NO right to call yourself a liscensed Psychologist.
Goose, you are the man!!!
Bev, you have every right to express your religion. I don't see anyone complaining about that. You have NO RIGHT to judge, belittle, and demaen other people. THAT is what they are complaining about.
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| Aug 12 @ 5:17 PM |
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hammertime
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With all those NO rights, there's nothing left.  
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| Aug 12 @ 5:18 PM |
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bevrice
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I have EVERY right to think my faith is the only right faith. That is the basic premise of Christianity, goose.
Who are you to tell me what rights I have and don't have?
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