| Aug 16 @ 1:23 AM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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When we know of.. "Thou shalt not kill".. and.. 'Vengance is mine'..
Do you think it is right to execute prisoners.. if so.. Why?
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| Aug 16 @ 10:03 AM |
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16knots
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Hi Charli  Congrats Texan!
Absolute wrong to execute!!!!!   
Execute doesnt really resolve the issues of why people do such things. The nature of a sentient being is purity itself. The person that falls is a person so conditioned through circumstances of his/her own actions through time that consequences have led to this point.
Even the most evil person imaginable was once some ones son and loved. They too loved and needed. Somewhere along the lines circumstances happened that triggered the mind to reach this point of commiting our crime.
Who really is to blame? The person who commited the crime or the fellowship and love of us that allowed it to happen to our fellow man?
Does an execution really teach that person to commit the same crime again? No not all. Until that person has opportunity to change his/her circumstances that caused that crime will it cease within him or her either in the next life or the next reincarnation.
Besides that, too many so called guilty criminals have been innocent victims.
We need to love and undersatnd these persons to find the solutions to the problem and not dismiss it and hide it from us.
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| Aug 16 @ 10:32 AM |
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eastham
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No, I believe that convicted violent offenders should be sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
The US is the only 1st World nation that still has the death penalty. Whereas once our criminal justice and penitentiary systems were the model for the world (ask Alexis de Tocqueville), we now viewed very skeptically by our allies. We have an enormous death row population and one of the highest rates of recidivism in the world. The death penalty has proven neither to be a deterrent, especially in those states where the death penalty is meted out with frightening regularity.
In concept, the death penalty should be given in the worst possible cases, when there is not a doubt as to the guilt of the defendent, etc. What we see in practice is a very different matter. The death penalty is not uniformly applied; it is arbitrary and capricious. The poor and the poorly represented are far more likely to be found guilty and subsequently sentenced to death than a murder with financial means. It is also racist. While the Department of Justice indicates that the number of black and white individuals is comparable, four times as many blacks than whites are convicted of a capital crime and are sentenced to death and the highest rate of conviction is in the case of a white victim and a black defendent. In otherwords, there are approximately 22,000 murders per year in the US resulting in 18,000 arrests and 300 death penalty convictions. Of those 300, the majority will be black and poor.
According to a noted professor of law, Eric Friedman, when asked about New York bringing back the death penalty, "...I guarantee that of the 20 people who commit the most spectacular crimes, maybe five will get the death penalty, four will be reversed, and the one poor schnook who gets executed will hardly be the worst of the lot." In Texas, which has the highest death penalty population, you are far more likely to be sentenced to death if you live in Houston rather than Dallas. Only 42 of Texas' 254 counties have a prisoner on death row. Most have only 1 or 2 prisoners, while Paris County (where Houston is located) has 113. Why the discrepancy between Dallas and Houston? Because the prosecutor in Dallas will only ask for the death penalty when he is "99% sure". Please note, he didn't say 100%.
In Illinois, the former governor commuted the sentences of death row inmates after a large number defendents convicted in rape and murder cases were exonerated through DNA testing. In other states on an individual basis, we have seen other cases thrown out because of DNA and other evidence, including suppression of evidence by the police.
And one can argue that the law is also capricious, because the training of lawyers capable of handling death penalty cases is hugely different from state to state. According to the Catholic Venetian Law Center, legal training can have a huge impact on the outcome of a capital case. In New Jersey, lawyers must receive special training before they are eligible to defend in a capital case and only those eligible can defend. Furthermore, you are guaranteed counsel throughout the appeals process. Texas does not require additional training for attorneys, nor are you guaranteed legal representation after the first appeal.
Jewish and Christian faiths have in the creed a belief that it is better for one guilty man to go free than for one innocent man to be sentenced to death. It is amazing to me the number of individuals who profess to be Christians, yet demonstrate remarkable blood lust when it comes to the death penalty.
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| Aug 16 @ 10:39 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Short and simple: We, as a country, like the death penalty because it makes us feel good.
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| Aug 16 @ 10:43 AM |
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hammertime
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I got a solution. Put the worst criminals in uniform (with special markings so we know) and put them in the front lines in any war we go to. Let them work out their rage there.
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| Aug 16 @ 10:47 AM |
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hammertime
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So what about "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"?
What about Jesus being executed? Isn't this something Christians say had to happen? That it was necessary for him to die to be a savior? Sounds like a execution to me. And what follows is the blood lust over the whole affair. Blood of Jesus Blood of Jesus Blood of Jesus. Drink my blood, eat my body thing.....
Lets not for get Abraham and Issac. Well, the father became murderous didn't he? It doesn't matter that an angel stopped him. God told him to execute his son and he was going to do it.
[Edited on 8/16/2008 10:49 AM]
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| Aug 16 @ 10:49 AM |
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BandTMom
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The first of the Five Precepts of Buddhism says "refrain from killing".
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| Aug 16 @ 4:32 PM |
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Jankia
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Executing criminals isnt done as punishment or is it done to prevent crime,its done to give the criminal his time of reckoning.
Whether its appropriate to put a person to death for taking another life themselves is very debateable until the life that was taken turns out to be your child.
I dont care if your Muslim,Christian,Buddhist or whatever you are,if your strong enough to hold compassion for a serial killer or the murderous slaughterer of your own kin by a killer,good for you,I'm not.
We dont have the death penalty in Wisconsin but If someone committed a heinous murder on one of my children they had better hope the law catches them before I do.
I would give up my chances for eternal life to give that murderous SOB his reckoning... to settle my own and to be 100% sure that criminal doesnt kill someone elses innocent child again.
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| Aug 16 @ 5:02 PM |
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eastham
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Vengeance is mine sayth the Lord...It's not yours or mine, Jankia. Furthermore, I can think of nothing worse than spending the rest of my life locked up. There is no compassion in that.
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| Aug 16 @ 5:20 PM |
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sail_dancer
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We dont have the death penalty in Wisconsin but If someone committed a heinous murder on one of my children they had better hope the law catches them before I do. Spoken like a true christian!
Peace
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| Aug 16 @ 5:30 PM |
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Angel54214
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You forgot this part...
I would give up my chances for eternal life to give that murderous SOB his reckoning... to settle my own and to be 100% sure that criminal doesnt kill someone elses innocent child again.
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| Aug 16 @ 5:42 PM |
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sail_dancer
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You forgot this part... No I didn't!
Nothing justifies a person taking the life of another.
Peace
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| Aug 16 @ 6:07 PM |
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Jankia
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Vengeance is mine sayth the Lord...It's not yours or mine, Jankia
Being childlless Eastham you havent a clue what it would mean to have one of your children murdered,so tell that to all the folks who attended the funeral of your neighbors 9 year old daughter after she was raped and strangled to death.
So your willing to pay for free food and housing for life for proven convicted killers of our children?
Not me.
Spoken like a true christian!
 Unlike yourself,at least I'm an honest one that doesnt hide behind the label.
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| Aug 16 @ 6:11 PM |
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eastham
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Being childlless Eastham you havent a clue what it would mean to have one of your children murdered,so tell that to all the folks who attended the funeral of your neighbors 9 year old daughter after she was raped and strangled to death.
You know nothing about me. And if you did, you would take this statement back in a minute. It was nothing more than heartless, anonymous cruelty. And from now on, I will expect nothing more or less from you.
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| Aug 16 @ 6:29 PM |
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16knots
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Being childlless Eastham you havent a clue what it would mean to have one of your children murdered,so tell that to all the folks who attended the funeral of your neighbors 9 year old daughter after she was raped and strangled to death.
Jankia, I have known eastham at least a year or two now and to read this comment of yours about her is really sickening!
You have real anger iussues that you need to get over!
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| Aug 16 @ 6:36 PM |
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eastham
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Thank you knots. His comments were beyond the pale of decency...and how far is something I rarely speak of.
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| Aug 16 @ 6:52 PM |
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BandTMom
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It was a totally unnecessary and disgusting comment.
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| Aug 16 @ 7:30 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
You are a very sick and ignorant man who runs his mouth without considering the other person.
What were you thinking when you made that uncalled for comment?
Better yet ..... don't reply! We don't need more of your dribble.
Peace
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| Aug 16 @ 8:03 PM |
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Jankia
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You know nothing about me. And if you did, you would take this statement back in a minute.
I know what you said in your profile so either your a liar or you are indeed childless as I said.
Your profile...
has children: No
I know that the three trolls that couldnt wait to attack any statement I ever make cannot understand whats written but I thought you would understand.
Unless you actually have blood kin of your own to lose you can only guess what hurt that would cause if you did.
Since you didnt answer the question I'll assume you would rather tend to serial killers of our children then to permanently end there worthless lives.
No,youll just let your state tax payments pay our overcrowded prison workers to do it for you,and then cry about being overtaxed.
If you truly believe in leaving vengeance to the Lord because its not mine or yours,empty the cells on death row,release every criminal thats behind bars.
Or would vengeance only be applicable if it concerns someone like Gacy after he killed over 30 people?
The point I was trying to make that you took the wrong way so I'll put it this way.
I have 4 daughters and you have none.
A crazed man comes into my home while I'm away and rapes and slaughters all four of them.You read about it in the New York Times,feel disgusted and then turn the page.The killer is caught,tried and convicted with undeniable guilt and put in maximum security for life at a cost of $70,000 per year.
Great,until he escapes and kills your four daughters.
Want to put him back in prison and hope he never gets another chance to kill children,or would you rather he be permantly stopped?
All I'm saying is your answer would be different if you had four daughters that were slain instead of someone elses you heard about.
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| Aug 16 @ 8:07 PM |
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eastham
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At its very best, your comment was a cheap shot; however, you know nothing about me. If you did, you would know that murder has visited my family and friends of my family.
You are a pathetic, angry man.
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