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uncrazy
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I'm posting this on two threads...it is dangerous when quiet christians don't say out loud, this is not love of a christian, for as christians we act in love.
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In the news today was a story of a 1 year old who died after food and water was withheld from him because he would not say "Amen", an Egyptian god's name after his meal.
This little boy was labeled a "demon", and after he died the ladies showed up to pray for a raising from the dead from God.
We can try to defend ourselves by putting the players in the story way over there in a cult, but it is a reach. We can find the declaring of others to be "demons" and "acting for the devil" on these very threads in MD.
And the devils and demons here are the very people showing the accusers compassion and love...when we do it we are satan desguised to trick them.
The approved truths offer perfect protection for the guilt a sound mind would feel if they thought or acted or spoke without love and respect.
In one moment we hide our innocence in our children, thank god for the gift of them, then hide our demon's in them so we can kill who we are...our children are us.
I offer prayer for the mother, the child no longer needs them...another innocent departs us because a christian needed proof by a miracle from God.
I'm reminded how some came here to protect the "baby christians" from what we might tell them. It is a sad, sad story, the death of this boy may yet serve us.
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| Aug 16 @ 3:33 PM |
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hammertime
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Uncrazy
Here is a news source
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402004,00.html
This is a horrifying story. I sense you are a bit upset over this and even at some in these forums. We have seen the truth and its sickening. There are some so deeply entranced, mentally damaged and wrapped up in the darkness of blind faith delusional ignorance that they have openly stated that if God tells them to do an act, such an act of violence using stones, they would do so out of love for that god. Abraham is a role model for those folks. And then what followed after such an admission was another Christian giving Amens to such insanity. They try to make excuses saying their God would never request such a thing but then they also believe their God makes requests of them in an audible voice. The point being, they will be obedient if that "voice" ever manifests itself.
Amen, that is what this story is about. A poor innocent child is now dead. But Christians don't see anyone as innocent do they? Everyone is guilty of sin from the day they are born. This is particular to Christianity, that your birth is tainted by an evil stain from a mythological Adam and Eve who were tempted by a talking snake.
The mother in the above story is charged with 1st degree murder. I wonder if she will claim her first amendment rights for her freedom of religion, use the insanity defense or even say her mind was possessed by Satan.
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| Aug 16 @ 3:38 PM |
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hammertime
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We should note a pattern...
Religiosity Common Among Mothers Who Kill Children
http://www.uchc.edu/ocomm/newsarchive/news04/dec04/religiosity.html
Women who kill their children commonly cite God, the devil and other religious influences for their actions. They say religiosity is a common theme among psychotics because hallucinations and delusions usually take familiar forms. And, in some fundamentalist environments, symptoms of mental illness can appear normal: People with schizophrenia, personality disorders and a host of other mental disorders may be drawn such faiths for their structure, he said.
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| Aug 16 @ 3:44 PM |
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uncrazy
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Hammer,
These christians in Jovan story I am quite sure were acting under the direction of God...whether the voices cam from God or each other will not be clear.
My fundamentalist aquaintances are saying, but they were a cult, we have the Lord. One invited me to service tomorrow.
Added:
The silence here in the threads about this event is deafening.
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| Aug 16 @ 4:38 PM |
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Angel54214
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It's a devistating story, which I have read more to it. I haven't found any christian linked thereof as in christian walking "the way as a Jesus follower."
[http://www.rickross.com/groups/onemind.html[/url]
[http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/08/12/javon-thompson-didnt-say-amen/[/url]
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/17170524/detail.html#
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| Aug 16 @ 5:12 PM |
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uncrazy
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From this day on , whenever I hear a christian tell another they are acting a "demon" or being a spoesperson for the "devil" for any reason, I will remind them of the 15 month old baby who was a "demon" because he wouldn't say "Amen"
I view the quiet of this thread as a "moment of silence" to remind me that we have been silent to long against this horrible cancer that exists among us, protected by rights good people died for.
I am so saddened by this story....
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| Aug 16 @ 5:24 PM |
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BandTMom
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I've been gone most of the day, but I too am saddened by this story.
An innocent life was lost in the name of religion. 
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| Aug 16 @ 5:27 PM |
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16knots
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The silence here in the threads about this event is deafening.
Im listening uncrazy. I just had my own rcent events with a little boy and "Christians" wanted to pray over him to make him walk other than to have the operations he need. Then recently these same Christian cause problems here that I can not divulge due to confidetntiality and respect but the gist is that when I now here some Christians within these threads I have no alternative to set them back on their course of trying to convert.
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| Aug 16 @ 5:36 PM |
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sail_dancer
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I have posted many times on the affects evil christian dogma has on mankind. It is like a cancer that attacks the mind of its followers. Useless killings of children is not new and will continue as long as christianity continues to close its eyes to the fact that its teachings kill.
Peace
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| Aug 16 @ 5:41 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Sail, there's nothing wrong with the core message of Christianity. It's the mentally-imbalanced, the psychologically-immature, and the power-hungry who misinterpret the message that are the problem. And it'd be the same problem, whatever belief system they latched on to.
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| Aug 16 @ 6:04 PM |
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uncrazy
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SweetNapaGuy,
I do not blanket all christians...
I will take responsibility to say something whenever I hear a christian calling another a "demon" or acting for their "devil". I will cease being quiet when I hear it said and tell them this story.
And if it is said by any clergy, I will no consider it an act of extreme hate.
I will work to forgive them, for they must truly not know what they do.
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| Aug 16 @ 6:05 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Napa,
I worded my post in response to the OP which is about a death caused by christian dogma.
Only Abrahamic religions and their off shoots preach a dogma that insists man is evil and if god is not within a person the devil or demon is. The Torah which is the scripture of these cults emphasizes that god condones killing, rape and genocide that is done in his name to combat the devil. God even rewards those that carry out these atrocities.
So it may not be christian dogma alone that has this problem but all religions based on the God of Abraham do. A statement containing four truths and one lie, is not truthful. A substance with one impurity, is not a pure substance. Orange juice is good for you but drink a glass of OJ tainted with arsenic and you will die.
Would you drink the glass of OJ that I described? Christianity is no better than that glass of OJ. Why would anyone adopt a religion that preaches doctrine that contains poisonous concepts?
Peace
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| Aug 17 @ 8:36 PM |
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Angel54214
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Indian temple revives human sacrifice
3 April, 2002
Followers of a Hindu cult in India's north-eastern state of Assam have revived the ancient practice of human sacrifice.
But in the absence of human volunteers, devotees at the Kamakhya Temple near the state capital Guwahati are using six-foot effigies made of flour for the rite.
Steeped in secrecy, human sacrifices to the Mother Goddess Shakti were thought to have died out completely.
The revival of the "Nara bali" practice a few years ago would have remained under wraps had it not been for an academic researching the temple, one of India's holiest pilgrimage sites.
The cult followers had apparently wanted live humans to revive the gory tradition, but opted for an effigy instead fearing a backlash.
Ancient worship:
"A willing human being is difficult to find these days," said Dr Pradeep Sharmah, director of the Vivekananda Kendra Institute of Culture (VKIC).
He said priests had already been heavily criticised by animal rights groups for their use of animals in ritual sacrifices, hence their decision to use human effigies instead of the real thing.
Dr Sharmah was inducted into the inner circle of a handful of "Shakta" priests after he won their trust.
"The sacrifice is made at midnight, on the day of Ashtami during the 10-day autumnal Durga Puja," said Dr Sharmah.
But it can also be carried out on any day specified by divine forces.
"The ancient worshippers believed that the person to be sacrificed was sent by god, and as a rule a woman would never be put to the altar," Dr Sharmah said.
The Kamakhya Temple attracts some 10,000 devotees per day, but certain aspects of the temple's ceremonies - including sacrifices - have been kept closely-guarded secrets.
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The administrator of the Kamakhya Trust, Bharati Prasad Sarma, said that no outsiders were ever allowed to witness a sacrifice.
"It is believed that if anyone tries to see the act, evil is bestowed upon him by the Mother," he said.
The administrator said the schoolboy son of a temple priest, or panda, fell blind last year when he tried secretly to watch a ceremony.
The pandas say that only a chosen few are eligible to conduct a sacrifice.
Research shows that human sacrifice at Kamakhya was first revived 75 years ago, but was discontinued a few years later.
A 1933 journal of the Assam Research Society says that living people were sacrificed until the reign of King Gaurinath Singha between 1780 and 1796.
Records of earlier periods at the Department of Historical and Antiquarian Studies indicate that the practice was widespread in Assam. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1908706.stm
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| Aug 17 @ 8:43 PM |
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Angel54214
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Death to those guilty of human sacrifice
Dec. 21, 2003
NEW DELHI : Condemning in the most severe words the act of a tribal [priest] sacrificing a nine-year-old child to appease a deity in Jharkhand, the Supreme Court has upheld the death penalty awarded to him and said that in such cases the extreme punishment “should be the rule”.
A Bench comprising Justice Doraiswamy Raju and Justice Arijit Pasayat, upholding the death sentence to Suhsil Murmu, said, “this is an illustrative and most exemplary case to be treated as ‘rarest of rare cases’ in which death sentence is and should be the rule with no exception whatsoever.”
Murmu had sacrificed Chirku Besra before Goddess Kali on December 11, 1996 and dumped the head in a pond.
Advocate Anil Kumar Mittal, counsel for Murmu, had contended that though superstition was not expected and encouraged in a modern society, yet an illiterate tribal brought up in an atmosphere surcharged with superstition should not be awarded death penalty.
Rejecting the plea, Justice Pasayat, writing for the Bench, said, “superstition cannot and does not provide justification for any killing, much less a planned and deliberate one.
“No amount of superstitious colour can wash away the sin and offence of an unprovoked killing, more so in the case of an innocent and defenceless child,” he added.
The apex court said that a bare look at the fact situation of this case showed that Murmu was not possessed of the basic humanness and completely lacked the psyche or mindset which could be amenable for any reformation.
He had at the time of occurrence a child of same age as of the victim and yet he had diabolically designed in a most dastardly and revolting manner to sacrifice a very hapless and helpless child of another for personal gain and to promote his fortune by pretending to appease the deity, the Bench said.
Justice Pasayat said, “even if the helpless and imploring face and voice of the innocent child did not arouse any trace of kindness in the heart of the accused, the non-chalant way in which he carried the severed head in a gunny bag and threw it in the pond unerringly shows the act was diabolic of most superlative degree in conception and cruel in execution.”
The act of the accused “borders on a crime against humanity indicative of greatest depravity shocking the conscience of not only any right thinking person but of the courts of law, as well.”
While upholding the death sentence awarded to Murmu, the apex court said, “criminal propensities of the accused are clearly spelt out from the fact that similar accusations involving human sacrifice existed at the time of trial.
“Though the result could not be brought on record, yet the fact that similar accusation was made against the accused Murmu for which he was facing trial cannot be lost sight of,” it added. http://www.religionnewsblog.com/5453/death-to-those-guilty-of-human-sacrifice
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| Aug 17 @ 8:47 PM |
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SunBabe
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That's really interesting, Angel...and it shows how a religion can "adapt" (using effigies instead of humans)...but what does it have to do with believing that a person or child is a full of demons? 
This part? 
"It is believed that if anyone tries to see the act, evil is bestowed upon him by the Mother," he said.
The administrator said the schoolboy son of a temple priest, or panda, fell blind last year when he tried secretly to watch a ceremony.
The effigies (or original human sacrifices/volunteers) were believed to be sent by God. From my take, I'd assume they were martyrs and it was an honor...just like in many religions and cultures all throughout history.
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posted before part 2 ^^^^
(PS those two "ceremonies" involved two different goddesses...without researching Hindu religion and all its different cults, I'd still guess the sacrifices had two different meanings)
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| Aug 17 @ 8:56 PM |
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16knots
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ANy virgins to sacrifice here? 
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| Aug 17 @ 8:57 PM |
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Angel54214
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Ancient Mass Sacrifice, Riches Discovered in China Tomb
National Geographic
Aug. 17, 2008
A 2,500-year-old tomb containing nearly four dozen victims of human sacrifice has been excavated in eastern China. Among the dead were found gold and bronze artifacts and an ornate sword (inset). http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/14373905.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080129-china-tomb.html
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| Aug 17 @ 9:25 PM |
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SunBabe
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But the little kid in this topic wasn't "sacrificed" -- he was punished through starvation for not saying "Amen" when he received food. An 18 month old who refuses to say "Amen" or "please" or "thank you" no more has a demon in him than anyone else -- his refusal, if that's what it was, just showed "spunk" or even shyness or being intimidated...he was a normal little KID, for cryin' out loud!
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| Aug 17 @ 9:39 PM |
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Angel54214
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Sun...your not reading any of the earlier links on this case:
Records say cult killed baby because he was a 'demon'
direct link:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/onemind/onemind6.html
and you didn't read all of the OP:
This little boy was labeled a "demon", and after he died the ladies showed up to pray for a raising from the dead from God.
Just to add...my link postings on "human sacrifices" were not any where expressed demonic. You mentioned demons, I didn't.
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| Aug 17 @ 10:07 PM |
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bevrice
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gee, Chirstians have no monopoly on madness. It happens with all peoples. To cite those women as Christians is like saying that Jim Jones was a Christian. Some women who kill their children use God or voices as an excuse to plead insane. That doesn't mean they thought it was God or heard voices. You should know that.
I have trouble with your post anyway, un, how many ONE year olds can even SAY amen? My one year olds were still on a bottle, lol, un. They were very bright babies, but don't think they were able to say prayers yet. Now, the child is eighteen months old.
Napa is right, insanity is no respecter of religions. It comes in all forms. What about Dianne Downs who shot her children because the man she loved didn't want children?
Susan Smith who drowned her little boys for the same reason?
Darlie Routier who killed her children and had a birthday party at the graveside of one of the boys, laughing and spraying silly string?
These women were not Christians, nor did they claim to be. None of these women heard voices or "God", they were just pure evil.
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