| Aug 21 @ 4:23 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Hammer, I never said that I was licensed by any but a Christian organization. One version
Wrong again. I am a liscensed psychologist. The other version
So... is she or isn't she?
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| Aug 21 @ 4:40 PM |
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bevrice
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Lance, I am a licensed clinical, note the clinical, pastoral counselor. My masters was in psychology and Christian counseling.
I can do state licensed psychologist can do.
End of discussion.
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| Aug 21 @ 4:57 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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No need to get huffy, bev, you'rethe one always reciting youre resume to us.
I am not that smart, but it seems to me that someone is licensed or they or not.
I don't really get this "clinical" license idea. Does that mean sort of like licensed but not really licensed?
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| Aug 21 @ 5:03 PM |
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bevrice
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It is the same thing as a licensed clincal psychologist. They just have to put it that way for legal reasons. Just call me a Christian counselor, that works, lance. It doesn't really matter, I am retired.
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| Aug 21 @ 5:21 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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| Aug 21 @ 5:25 PM |
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bevrice
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Lol, becky, I tried to be nice to you, to help you, you are now on ignore, you are rude and I am not going to use the other word that comes to mind.
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| Aug 21 @ 5:30 PM |
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Loreli
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They just have to put it that way for legal reasons. Could we please know these legal reasons?
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| Aug 21 @ 5:31 PM |
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SunBabe
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One cannot practice medicine or law without an education and a license, but one can practice some types of mental health treatment without one. Without training or a license, a person can charge money for words of wisdom and even call himself a psychotherapist or a life coach. Unlicensed individuals provide many good mental health services. They often have bachelor’s degrees, experience, and training. However, these people cannot call themselves a counselor, psychologist, or a social worker because those are licensed professions. http://www.tdcaa.com/node/2497
..."licensed professions" by the State of Texas, not "licensed" by a religious "licensing" board (http://www.aacc.net) -- and the State of Texas requires the degree to be from a VALID accredited college or university, not one that's "accredited" by an accreditation agency that's not recognized by the United States Department of Education (links and documentation previously provided several times in this forum)
Clinical psychologists undergo many hours of graduate training—usually four to six years post-Bachelors—in order to gain demonstrable competence and experience. About half of all clinical psychology graduate students are being trained in Ph.D. programs—a model that emphasizes research and is usually housed in universities—with the other half in Psy.D. programs, which has more focus on practice (similar to professional degrees for medicine and law).[19] Both models are accredited by the American Psychological Association[22] and many other English-speaking psychological societies. A smaller number of schools offer accredited programs in clinical psychology resulting in a Masters degree, which usually take two to three years post-bachelors.
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The practice of clinical psychology requires a license in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and many other countries. Although each of the U.S. states is somewhat different in terms of requirements and licenses, there are three common elements:[24]
Graduation from an accredited school with the appropriate degree
Completion of supervised clinical experience or internship
Passing a written examination and, in some states, an oral examination
All U.S. state and Canada province licensing boards are members of the Association of State and Provincial Psychology Boards (ASPPB) which created and maintains the Examination for Professional Practice in Psychology (EPPP). Many states require other examinations in addition to the EPPP, such as a jurisprudence (i.e. mental health law) examination and/or an oral examination.[24] Most states also require a certain number of continuing education credits per year in order to renew a license, which can be obtained though various means, such as taking audited classes and attending approved workshops. Clinical psychologists require the Psychologist license to practice, although similar licenses can be obtained with a masters-level degree, such as Marriage and Family Therapist (MFT), Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC), and Licensed Psychological Associate (LPA).[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_psychology
A "Christian Counselor" IS a "profession" which requires a certain amount of education in their goals...the "licensing" is through their own association, but in no way does that mean a "Christian Counselor" specializing in "clinical psychology" is a "CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST", a title that's ONLY allowed to be legally used by those who pass the standards and testing of the ASPPB.
It's like me saying I'm a retired judge (which is the truth!  )...however there's quite a bit of difference in being a retired judge of the courts and being a retired FLOWER SHOW JUDGE!
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| Aug 21 @ 5:44 PM |
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bevrice
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Sun, you need to look further, I spent my time in a supervised internship.
My master's took two years to complete.
I can do anything that the ones you site can do, and do it better. You want to tell us what they can do, that I can't do? I have even worked with the state court system, juveniles on probation, and hmmm, the judges ASKED us to. I have worked in drug addiction counseling, marital counseling and just plain old personal counseling.
I DO have to have continuing education.
Now, do I care what you think, lol, I think not, especially since you don't know what you are talking about, and I DON'T need yours or anyone else's approval, unless you want counseling.
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| Aug 21 @ 5:54 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Lol, becky, I tried to be nice to you, to help you, you are now on ignore, you are rude and I am not going to use the other word that comes to mind. I am rude?? HOW?? I was laughin at the interaction... how is that rude?? Is it anything like telling someone they NEED to get down on their knees and accept Jesus as their savior? .. oh thats right thats not rude... just presumptuous and arrogant  oh and PLEASE USE the OTHER word... and show your TRUE CHRISTIAN SELF BEV  and tired to HELP Me?? how?? by berating my belief?? by being totally arrogant?? by ASSuming the worst or condemning me ?? um thats not help thats BLASPHEMY 
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| Aug 21 @ 5:54 PM |
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hammertime
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I can do state licensed psychologist can do.
Look folks, I have said this long enough. She's MENTALLY ILL. That statement above is a complete lie. She has no knowledge of psychology, no degree in psychology, no APA membership, no APA approved education, no real skills, and definitely no sanity. She's a confirmed liar, confirmed hypocrite, confirmed bigot and a confirmed psychotic. Counselors are not psychologists and God (any god) forbid she counsels anyone.
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| Aug 21 @ 5:56 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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I know what we can do here BEV.. (but i believe it was done before) email someone your true name a neutral party... and let them see if you actually HAVE credentials k?? if you are who you say your PICTURE will accompany your credentials in some manner
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| Aug 21 @ 6:01 PM |
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bevrice
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That is my true name, beverly rice, you can write my college. I gave that to you.
They will verify. Now, that is the end, becky. You have all you need.
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| Aug 21 @ 6:04 PM |
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bevrice
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 hammer, take it somewhere else, you bore me.
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| Aug 21 @ 6:14 PM |
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SunBabe
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Bev said:
You want to tell us what they can do, that I can't do?
Yes, I'll tell you: You CANNOT call yourself a "Clinical Psychologist" legally and they can.
You can do "Christian Counselling", but you are NOT a State/Federally recognized "licensed clinical psychologist"...and if you presented yourself as that professionally, your butt could be in one big sling.
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| Aug 21 @ 6:14 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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That is my true name, beverly rice, you can write my college. I gave that to you.
They will verify. Now, that is the end, becky. You have all you need.
with that name you can be an actress or a 16 yr old or a Realtor from Tx and which college Bev??
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| Aug 21 @ 6:16 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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You can do "Christian Counselling", but you are NOT a State/Federally recognized "licensed clinical psychologist"...and if you presented yourself as that professionally, your butt could be in one big sling. But Sunny she has time and again... I wonder if the APA would like a copy of her posts??
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| Aug 21 @ 6:21 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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The thing about lies is, sooner or later you have to tell another to cover the first one, then another, then another.
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)
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| Aug 21 @ 6:23 PM |
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SunBabe
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Am I allowed to say "Amen", Lance?  
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| Aug 21 @ 6:26 PM |
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hammertime
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I know what we can do here BEV.. (but i believe it was done before) email someone your true name a neutral party... and let them see if you actually HAVE credentials k?? if you are who you say your PICTURE will accompany your credentials in some manner
Why not actual see the school she went to and the program she took? None of the coursework is APA approved therefore not properly accredited.
Here goes....
Cornerstone University and Calvary Theological Seminary
http://www.cornerstoneuniv.org/
First notice that .org in the URL. This is an organization, not an educational institution. Its more like a diploma mill. Educational institutions end with an .edu. in their URL.
The name of the degree program is called.
Clinical Christian Counseling Psychology
Here is the course work.
Master of Arts in Clinical Christian Counseling Psychology
and you'll this is no where near even what an undergraduate in psychology learns. There is no science, no theory, no statistics and hardly adequate to be any kind of psychologist. To be a religious counselor doesn't require a whole lot of education. Real psychologists don't even teach the courses.
Another thing begs the question. Even if she did take those classes, why does she lack the knowledge? She doesn't know any psychology, its major theories, knows nothing of the latest studies or even early studies. Nothing of cognitive science. Nothing of brain science. Pretty much nothing but garbage dogma.
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