| Aug 25 @ 7:45 AM |
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16knots
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It is difficult to find good, solid religious AND spiritual deabte in the R & S threads these days.
Same old rhetoric although recently the pace stepped up a little but why are people so adamant that they are so right~?
It happens time and time again that someone actually questions another postee, with perfectly logical debate yet it is hardly accepted. That postee, goes into a spiral of rants and rages, whinings and excuses.
But why?
Isnt this religious dogma in the extreme?
Are people so brain washed without the capability to question their values any more? Arent values no longer values if they can not with stand constant scrutiny?
Why on earth settle for what IS and why not question for better.
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| Aug 25 @ 11:03 PM |
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Jankia
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Arent people no longer people if they cannot stand anyone different then themselves? 
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| Aug 25 @ 11:16 PM |
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hammertime
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It is difficult to find good, solid religious AND spiritual deabte in the R & S threads these days.
You can't be serious. We are talking about religion after all so what debate is there for dogma that is a dictation? Its not a like Chinese menu where you can order from column one and then column two. You have no real choices other then you eat what you're served or die starving so to speak. You either believe what you're told or go to hell. There is no debate and you can't get any more crude than monotheistic dogma.
Those that follow it are mindless anyway. They can't think outside the small little box their minds are transplanted into. They can't use logic other than the usual arguments from ignorance and negative proofs. They don't know the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. They are simply memory sticks with a few gig of scripture they play back to themselves over and over. So where is the debate? I'd like to know.
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| Aug 25 @ 11:35 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Thats why i come in here maybe once a week. I decided that the political forum was better.
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| Aug 25 @ 11:39 PM |
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hammertime
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Well, religion and politics go together very well kind of like sex and herpes.
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| Aug 25 @ 11:54 PM |
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lazareth
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religion has divided and killed people for thousands of years knot, it's not going to change in our lifetime unfortunately.
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| Aug 25 @ 11:57 PM |
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hammertime
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Herpes doesn't kill anyone. I think I should have used a deadly disease as an analogy for religion. How about cancer? The kind of disease that eats from within. Yeah, that works.
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| Aug 26 @ 9:33 AM |
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16knots
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jankia:
Arent people no longer people if they cannot stand anyone different then themselves?
Yes, jankia, it is easy to see your anger issues in your writings. I would have thought you could work these through in the debates. It isnt so difficult to do if you "think" before writing a post. Then ask the question, "Would my writing hurt another?"
This should help you. 
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| Aug 26 @ 11:02 AM |
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Loreli
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It isn't one-sided, OP.
Certain people should just be ignored. And it isn't just one that has deep Christian roots.
We should be able to bring a good topic for discussion. But if we complain about the one full of dogma, we should complain about the one full of anger and hatred.
JMHO
Let's get back to good topics and good discussion!
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| Aug 26 @ 11:57 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Loreli,
we should complain about the one full of anger and hatred Just because people disagree it doesn't mean they have anger or hatred.
This post isn't speaking about you Loreli, but to the christians on this board that do not have open minds.
Christians are very sensitive, get angry because they cannot dispute the disagreement and immediately blame the opposition as attacking with anger and hatred. If anything they are reacting to the anger surging in themselves, not in what has been posted.
Christians seem to have a problem with people using the term "dogma". Look it up, dogma means doctrine that cannot be substantiated. Has anyone substantiated any christian doctrine in these forums? Then what is wrong with calling it exactly what it is ..... "dogma"?
People say they want to discuss R&S topics, but really just want to state their views and silence any debate about them. This is fine! MD has a place for that and it is called "Blogs".
If christians would do their homework and intelligently rebut posts against christianity, their would be less personal attacks. Instead christians get flustered and revert to attacking non-christians personally. Then it blows up to exchanges of personal attacks from both sides.
One of the biggest complaints against christians is their egotistical position that their religion is the only true religion and that non-christians will be eternally tortured in hell. Christians realize this is the case, so if they truly want to discuss something, why do they continually state this egotistical position in almost every thread? Are they so ignorant that they don't realize that they are throwing fuel on the fire.
Why can't christians admit that they cannot prove that their beliefs and faith are in fact truth? Why can't christians just say that the doctrines they believe in cannot be proven but to them it is the truth? Why is it that christians insist that what they believe to be truth must also be the basis for all mankinds truth?
How can an intelligent conversation be undertaken with people that think in this way?
Peace
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| Aug 29 @ 9:31 AM |
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pamdemonium
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Why can't christians admit that they cannot prove that their beliefs and faith are in fact truth?
That's what faith is. Believing without seeing.
I'm a Christian. I'm a non practicing Catholic as well. But it doesn't mean I adhere to every single thing written. I read. I mesh what makes sense to me with what I've been taught. And am open to learning more, reading more, exploring more. When we stop learning, we stop growing. That goes for life in general, not just religion. To continually beat a dead horse, is lunacy. The same few. You know when you see their name what they're going to say. You know their arguments by heart. And then, there are the few relatively new fresh faces, who add a splash of truth, color and intelligence. (i.e. horizon) We learn from each other...and how is that being shortchanged?
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| Aug 31 @ 10:14 AM |
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jamminjerry
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it is possible that i can be catagorized in the same column LOL i follow the words of Jesus with almost blind faith. but because the publishers of my particular guidebook were errant enuff to post their title i am alerted to the possibility of misinformation in my bible. as a wolfhunter i am bound to seek out the wolves and reveal them. while enduring another mindless rant by a holy roller on the T V last night "she" made the same mistake (or was it true decption?) that most wolves make. she misquoted, and misquoted several times. but i did notice she wasn't reading from the bible and so was voicing her own opinion. unfortunatly (or was it fortunately? LOL) the simians were just grinning and claping as usual. perhaps Jesus is right, the words are hidden and are to be revealed only to a few. oh well, my God has made it as easy as possible to find those hidden words. would you beleive that my God has even highlighted the important ones! we be jammin 
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| Aug 31 @ 10:45 AM |
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Angel54214
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Hey that's what happens for those that take translation meaning as turning the book upside down and read it from right to left. 
perhaps Jesus is right, the words are hidden and are to be revealed only to a few. oh well, my God has made it as easy as possible to find those hidden words. would you beleive that my God has even highlighted the important ones!
But perhaps for the words "Jesus said" that were not highlighted are the hidden ones...
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| Aug 31 @ 10:55 AM |
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BandTMom
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I'm just wondering if God has a red pencil.
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| Aug 31 @ 11:05 AM |
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Angel54214
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I'm just wondering if God has a red pencil.
On the day of the Lord's creations, he said it was "good".
He made all the materials that a red pencil contains and they were "good"
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| Aug 31 @ 11:07 AM |
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16knots
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Buddha was pleased he did that too. It saved him wasting too much time in continuous creations. Buddha needs help sometimes.
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| Aug 31 @ 11:12 AM |
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hammertime
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One of the biggest complaints against christians is their egotistical position that their religion is the only true religion and that non-christians will be eternally tortured in hell. Christians realize this is the case, so if they truly want to discuss something, why do they continually state this egotistical position in almost every thread? Are they so ignorant that they don't realize that they are throwing fuel on the fire.
I don't believe anyone complains about the idea that they are going to suffer eternal torment after dying. That's just a stupid belief. I don't think anyone takes that seriously unless they have psychological problems. What people do find offensive is Christian history for what they did because they had those beliefs. The eternal torment would begin when Christians moved in. These were inflicted by Christians. No tortures were worse than the devices invented for the Inquisitions.
The Iron Maiden was designed to stab a person all around their body but only a few inches. The victim's blood would drain down groves and he could live for a few days in agony. Death as caused by infection.
The rack would slowly stretch limbs to the point of ripping and tearing of ligaments, tendons, muscles and bone. The body was also being dragged on spikes.
The Pear was a device with a big screw. It would be inserted in any orifice, mouth, vagina, anus and then slowly expanded larger and larger as soft tissue got damage, ripped and torn away causing great pain.
These were all done to demonstrate the love of Jesus' and God and Christians today are just as psychopathic but legally restrained. This sickness still continues today because who would be so sick minded to say this?
I would be willing to illustrate my overwhelming love for God, by stoning the woman in-question. And who would be so sick minded to say "Amen" to that?
So lets be clear. Christianity is not good religion. Its not a compassionate religion. Its not a healthy and growing spirituality. Its a curse upon mankind. If there are any Christians who are compassionate, healthy, loving its not because of their religion but in spite of it.
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| Aug 31 @ 11:18 AM |
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Angel54214
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Like reincarnation
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| Aug 31 @ 11:19 AM |
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BandTMom
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What about reincarnation?
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| Aug 31 @ 11:36 AM |
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sail_dancer
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What did your post mean Angel?
Peace
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