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Thor1960303
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Socrates has no direct evidence other than from Aristotle but Socrates never claimed he was anything more than human being and made no magical supernatural claims that only the superstitious would believe.
I won't rehash the same argument over whether or not Jesus existed, but I think the dynamics of argument need to be examined here.
It goes like this, "Prove the miracle!" counterpointed with , "Prove it wrong!" Then it degenerates into , "Jesus was born of a virgin".. "Was not!".."Was too! See, it says so right here!"
Who, rightfully shoud have the burden of proof? Why? There are those who would say that since Christianity is a belief held near and dear by many with it's traditions firmly entrenched in our culture, that the burden of proof is on the non believer. I disagree. Common knowledge of the laws of physics would render the claims of Christianity wrong by simple default, however this doesn't wash with the indoctrinated. They insits that the burden is not on them to prove it so, but on us to prove it ISN'T so. On which side in the burden of proof? I say it's on the believer. If a man was/is born of a virgin, prove it. If this same man was executed and brought back to life, prove it. Same goes for all the claims. We can disprove it merely by quoting the laws of science, for it is simle fact that such things are impossible, yet the believer claims it's possible because God is behind it. OK, you guys make the claim, you prove it as you are the ones who are out there selling yourselves with this Great Commision. If someone was selling a product that claimed outrageous ability, you would righteously demand proof before you bought the product right? Why should Jesus get off any easier?
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| Aug 25 @ 2:40 PM |
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sealacamp
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If you are skeptical of anything then you are burdened to disprove that to yourself. As for disproving faith to those that believe, good luck. Such is the work of...
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| Aug 25 @ 2:44 PM |
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Thor1960303
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If you are skeptical of anything then you are burdened to disprove that to yourself.
Easily done for anyone who THINKS.
As for disproving faith to those that believe, good luck.
As is already been seen, an exercise in futility. It then becomes important only when those beliefs are put into practical use and influence the lives of those who don't believe, which is my main point.
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| Aug 25 @ 2:50 PM |
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hammertime
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I was waiting from someone stupid to take the bait and display abject religious stupidity. Christianity depends upon such ignorance. Stupidity seems to be more predominant than ignorance but you need stupidity to keep the ignorance at a high level.
Christianity has never proven any of its more important delusions and the way they historically made people believe in it was to slaughter them, destroy their cultures and brainwash as many ignorant people as possible.
The burden of proof lies upon those making the outrageous claims. Negative proof and arguments from ignorance are logical fallacies. These things are never taught in a religious education.
Gullibility is a virtue. Ignorance is the result. Stupidty is the cement.
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| Aug 25 @ 3:02 PM |
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hammertime
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Oppps, sorry. My last post was to Seal.
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| Aug 25 @ 8:13 PM |
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joe_kerr
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It seems to me if miracles and super natural occurrences are as common as most would like us to believe, someone would've snatched up the $1,000,000.00 prize by now that's been offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation these many years.
Knowing just how greedy some of these folks are that claim miracles and the supernatural exist, I'm sure if they had proof they'd produce it in a heartbeat for $1,000,000.00.
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| Aug 25 @ 8:38 PM |
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j_goose
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What I cannot fathom is when those participating in the forums are shown even HISTORICAL proofs, or reveal the ideas religions "Borrowed" from other religions, it goes completely ignored.
None of them even make and attempt to explain things like the multiple virgin births, the forty Negative confessions, Horus Magicians, etc. etc.etc....
SO many are too afraid to drop their reliance on an invisible being and just follow the teachings and ideals. That's what should be going on rather than living in fear of damnation.
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| Aug 26 @ 3:43 PM |
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Thor1960303
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SO many are too afraid to drop their reliance on an invisible being and just follow the teachings and ideals. That's what should be going on rather than living in fear of damnation.
It's been too heavily instilled in them. The dynamics are very similar to brainwashing as done by the communists in North Korea and Vietnam.
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| Aug 26 @ 3:46 PM |
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bevrice
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Lol, thor, did you ever think we are so sure because we have EXPERIENCED those outrageous supernatural events?
Oh, well, you are missing out on a lot thor.
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| Aug 26 @ 3:48 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Lol, thor, did you ever think we are so sure because we have EXPERIENCED those outrageous supernatural events?
Nothing supernatural about hallucinations and false perceptions, Bev. You can keep them, I prefer objective reality.
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| Aug 26 @ 3:56 PM |
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sealacamp
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Easily done for anyone who THINKS.
So you say.
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| Aug 26 @ 3:59 PM |
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Thor1960303
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So you say.
It worked for me and many others I know. Independent thought is a good thing and it's discouraged by religion, there's even a verse in the Bible that encourages people to "lean not unto thine own understanding".
I prefer THOUGHT to faith.
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| Aug 26 @ 5:31 PM |
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hammertime
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So you say. Such a thing as thinking is as foreign to you as a virgin in an orphanage.
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