| Aug 26 @ 4:36 PM |
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16knots
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I recently asked the question, "Is it wrong to burn people to death?", and although there was a lot of discussion about it in the comments, there was no clear answer from any believer. The best (and pretty much only) answer seemed to be that yes, it is wrong to burn people to death today, but it wasn't wrong back in the day when God told people to do it and did it himself on occasion. You see, back then there were no laws against it and it was an accepted form of punishment. God was just doing and telling others to do what everyone else was doing. What could be wrong with that?
It reminded me of the "answer" given by John Yoo when asked by John Conyers if there was anything the president could not order to be done to a suspect if it was necessary for national defense. When Mr. Yoo refused to answer, Conyers asked, "Could the president order a suspect to be buried alive?" Of course that question wasn't answered either.
So it got me thinking. Is there anything that the God of the Bible could do that a believer wouldn't call good? Could he, for example:
1. Bury people alive?
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram ... came out, and stood in the door of their tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children. And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me .... If these men die the common death of all men ... then the LORD hath not sent me. But if the LORD make ... the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD. And it came to pass ... that ... the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up.... They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. Numbers 16:27-34
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Burn people to death?
And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense. Numbers 16:35 (See here for more examples.)
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Burn people forever after they die (but keep them alive to torture them)?
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God ...he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever. Revelation 14:10-11
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Force parents to eat their children and friends to eat each other?
And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. Jeremiah 19:9
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Force people to kill their brothers and eat themselves?
Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts ... no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm. Isaiah 9:19-20
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Force people to cut off their noses and women to pluck off their breasts?
And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears. ... Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt ... pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 23:25-37
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Kill a newborn baby to punish its parents?
Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. 2 Samuel 12:14
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Dash little children to pieces and rip up pregnant women?
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16
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Cause birth defects and spread dung on peoples' faces?
Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces. Malachi 2:3
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Order a woman's hand to be cut off "without pity" for touching a man's genitals?
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. Deuteronomy 25:11-12
Of course, this is just a sample of what God has done. See here for a more extensive list of biblical cruelties.
Are all of these things good just because God did them? Just like whatever Bush does is legal because he is president?
If there a sane, moral Christian out there, I'd love to hear your response. Source
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| Aug 26 @ 5:28 PM |
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bevrice
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Knots, as a Christian, we know God and know that His judgements are just. He had warned those people over and over and over, they didn't listen.
I think what is bothering you is the fact that God IS capable of casting people into Hell. Just like with the Jews, He gives you chance after chance after chance to receive the Lord, but in His final judgement, if you don't, He won't hesitate to cast you into Hell, this is the word. He loves you, and like with the Jews, He is merciful and listens to you when you repent. He loved you enough to die for you so that you could be reconciled with Him, so, you could go to heaven in spite of your sins. I never said it wouldn't break His heart to have to do that, but He is righteous and will do what He says He will. And by the way, though He is slow to anger, it doesn't mean that you can't anger Him, knotts. That is what the Jews did all the time. Remember, He is merciful and quick to forgive. He puts your sins away from Him as far as the East is to the West, and remembers them no more. You just have to ask Him for forgiveness, you know.
Now, that is the best I can do, knots.
That thing about a woman touching a man's genitals is a Mosaic fence law. It means if her husband and a man are fighting, she can't break it up by hurting the man in his secret place. You might want to cut off her hand if she did that to you, too.
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| Aug 26 @ 5:32 PM |
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SunBabe
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I think what is bothering you is the fact that God IS capable of casting people into Hell. Just like with the Jews, He gives you chance after chance after chance to receive the Lord, but in His final judgement, if you don't, He won't hesitate to cast you into Hell, this is the word.
Yep, it was about 6 million of them, wasn't it? 
Definitely not the kinda fella I'd like to emulate or follow.  
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| Aug 26 @ 5:43 PM |
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16knots
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Knots, as a Christian, we know God and know that His judgements are just. He had warned those people over and over and over, they didn't listen.
It seems you do not know God.
I think what is bothering you is the fact that God IS capable of casting people into Hell.
What bothers me is that people can call the Bible the word of god and believ such nonsense. It bothers me how people are so irrational and ignorant.
Just like with the Jews, He gives you chance after chance after chance to receive the Lord, but in His final judgement, if you don't, He won't hesitate to cast you into Hell, this is the word.
This is real sick evil dogma. Christianity as a ehole is sick and evil. All the dessert faiths have been this way since it all began from the creation of sick mans meanness.
He loves you, and like with the Jews, He is merciful and listens to you when you repent.
He loves anyone he can have control and destroy through fear. "Love me or else!"
It is hilarious that you can believe in this bullshit!
He loved you enough to die for you so that you could be reconciled with Him, so, you could go to heaven in spite of your sins.
What a cop out on being responsible and accountable!!!!
I never said it wouldn't break His heart to have to do that, but He is righteous and will do what He says He will.
Nobody can be righteous and cause rape, murder, denecide, infantacide and all the other evils!!! GET REAL!!!
And by the way, though He is slow to anger, it doesn't mean that you can't anger Him, knotts.
Dont make me laugh Bev!!!! Your God is a sick figment of imagination. Your God doesnt exist!
That is what the Jews did all the time.
Bet you love it when they went to the gas chambers! Just like the Tibetan genocide Thread you started!
Your beliefs are the worst kind of evil to man and the cause of so much misery to man!
Remember, He is merciful and quick to forgive.
A quick fixer upper hey 
He puts your sins away from Him as far as the East is to the West, and remembers them no more. You just have to ask Him for forgiveness, you know.
Bev, your beliefs are for an ignorant irrisponsible mind. It is childs play to other belief systems.
Now, that is the best I can do, knots.
I never asked you to do anything. In fact I wanted a decent thread here so people can discuss quietly and politely so why the heck did you have to come in here and impose your shit on us once again. FVCK OFF!!!!!
I am sick and tired of you!
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| Aug 26 @ 5:46 PM |
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Thor1960303
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He gives you chance after chance after chance to receive the Lord, but in His final judgement, if you don't, He won't hesitate to cast you into Hell, this is the word.
Absolute BS! I think Mr. Carlin said it best here.
George Carlin on Religion
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| Aug 26 @ 5:56 PM |
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bevrice
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God didn't do that, sun, people did, but if you think He did that, then, definitely, it might be worth pursuing His favor.
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| Aug 26 @ 6:04 PM |
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bevrice
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Why does that answer make you so mad, knotts? I think if you will go read, you will find that it is all Bible.
You know, God gives YOU the choice, so ultimately, YOU are accountable for yourself.
God's ways are far above our ways, knotts.
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| Aug 26 @ 6:13 PM |
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BandTMom
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He gives you chance after chance after chance to receive the Lord, but in His final judgement, if you don't, He won't hesitate to cast you into Hell, this is the word.
And they call this a loving god!
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| Aug 26 @ 6:41 PM |
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bevrice
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You know, Mom, He loved you enough to die for you and give you a choice.
Knots, you know those scriptures about the pregnant women and the kids and the head bashing?
You know that He was withdrawing His favor from the Israelites and knew what was going to happen to them when He did.
You want accountability, ultimately, YOU will be held accountable for your choices. You will have accountability.
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| Aug 26 @ 6:52 PM |
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BandTMom
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You know, Mom, He loved you enough to die for you and give you a choice.
God did not die for me or anyone. 
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| Aug 26 @ 7:01 PM |
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bevrice
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Your choice, mom.
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| Aug 26 @ 7:06 PM |
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BandTMom
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Read your Bible, Bev.
God did not die.
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| Aug 26 @ 7:55 PM |
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bevrice
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In the beginning God created the world and the word was with God WAS God and the word became flesh and came to dwell among us. Yes, He died, mom, but He also defeated death and arose from the dead.
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| Aug 26 @ 7:57 PM |
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BandTMom
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Go ahead and believe what you want, Bev. I won't judge you.
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| Aug 26 @ 8:26 PM |
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SunBabe
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John 1:1-14, 18
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.....18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Sounds to me that John was supposed to verify that Jesus was a person who was to teach "God stuff". And since a whole lot of that teaching was different than the old "God stuff", he wasn't "God", but just "in his bosom" [God's], just as any other son would be with his "dad" (real or perceived). He also obviously incoporated his own thoughts in what he taught.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us
Which simply means that a PERSON was preaching and teaching. When someone shares the thoughts and lives of Socretes or George Washington, that's "putting flesh to their words".
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| Aug 26 @ 9:03 PM |
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16knots
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Its the same constant crap day in and day out.
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| Aug 26 @ 9:22 PM |
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j_goose
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Bev said:
Knots, as a Christian, we know God and know that His judgements are just. He had warned those people over and over and over, they didn't listen.
And what about all the kids Even unborn ones?
bev said:
God didn't do that, sun, people did, but if you think He did that, then, definitely, it might be worth pursuing His favor.
So People made their kids deformed and diseased?
bev said:
You know, God gives YOU the choice, so ultimately, YOU are accountable for yourself.
Are unborn children accountable for THEMSELVES???
From The OP
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Kill a newborn baby to punish its parents?
Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. 2 Samuel 12:14
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Dash little children to pieces and rip up pregnant women?
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16
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Cause birth defects and spread dung on peoples' faces?
Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces. Malachi 2:3
TIME TO JUDGE YOUR GOD!!!
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| Aug 26 @ 9:33 PM |
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bevrice
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Goose, like I said, God gave them chance after chance, warning after warning. They didn't listen. If you remember Jonah and the whale, he got angry with God for not destroying Ninevah after he had finally agreed to go tell them that they were going to be destroyed, but they fasted and prayed and God spared them. You see, God is merciful, but you do have to make the right choices.
A lot of that stuff is because the Israelites refused to listen to him and He simply withdrew His protection from them, goose. He knew what would happen when He did that. They put themselves under the control of Satan, whom you don't believe in. They let that evil rule them.
God is always just and metes out just rewards. He does anger though, slowly, but He does anger. He is also quick to forgive.
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| Aug 26 @ 9:33 PM |
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bevrice
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Sun, my Bible has it like this.
This is a very good and understandable translation and makes things very clear.
< John 1 >>
GOD'S WORD ® Translation
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1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was already with God in the beginning. 3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him. 4 He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity. 5 The light shines in the dark, and the dark has never extinguished it.
6 God sent a man named John to be his messenger. 7 John came to declare the truth about the light so that everyone would become believers through his message. 8 John was not the light, but he came to declare the truth about the light.
9 The real light, which shines on everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him. Yet, the world didn't recognize him. 11 He went to his own people, and his own people didn't accept him. 12 However, he gave the right to become God's children to everyone who believed in him. 13 These people didn't become God's children in a physical way-from a human impulse or from a husband's desire to have a child. They were born from God.
14 The Word became human and lived among us. We saw his glory. It was the glory that the Father shares with his only Son, a glory full of kindness and truth. 15 (John declared the truth about him when he said loudly, "This is the person about whom I said, 'The one who comes after me was before me because he existed before I did.' ") 16 Each of us has received one gift after another because of all that the Word is. 17 The Teachings were given through Moses, but kindness and truth came into existence through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. God's only Son, the one who is closest to the Father's heart, has made him known.
19 This was John's answer when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" 20 John didn't refuse to answer. He told them clearly, "I'm not the Messiah." 21 They asked him, "Well, are you Elijah?" John answered, "No, I'm not." Then they asked, "Are you the prophet?" John replied, "No." 22 So they asked him, "Who are you? Tell us so that we can take an answer back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?" 23 John said, "I'm a voice crying out in the desert, 'Make the way for the Lord straight,' as the prophet Isaiah said."
[Edited on 8/26/2008 9:42 PM]
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| Aug 26 @ 9:45 PM |
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bevrice
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You can believe it either way you want to. This is why the belief in the Trinity came into being. Some believe that Jesus is God, some believe that Jesus was simply God's son.
I don't think that will affect anyone's salvation.
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