| Aug 29 @ 1:47 PM |
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Thor1960303
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I touched on this in a previous thread, but I feel that it's something that should be expounded on for discussion. Hammer laid out the facts. The bible Belt leads the nation in unwanted pregnancies, STD's and dysfunctional families. Having grown up in the Bible Belt, I believe that I am somewhat qualified to point out what I believe is one of the main root causes.
Fundy preachers are masters of mindf***. Catholics may be known for instilling guilt, but Baptists, Pentacostalists and other fundies have elevated it to a fine art. Adolescents are taught that sex is a good and natural thing, but ONLY if it's practiced between a husband and wife. The natural sex urge is taught to be lust of the flesh that must be overcome with prayer, Bible study and in some cases, fasting. Masturbation, while I've never heard mentioned explicitly in church or Sunday School falls under the heading of lust and thus should be avoided. A good Christian parent would never even consider putting their kids on birth control because in theri eyes, it gives them a license to sin.
What they are obviously ignorant of is that all of this guilt creates a tension in the mind of many kids, and tension and contrast is known to be a driving force in sexual attraction and the mating game. It's the base behind the age old cat and mouse game between the sexes and bible bangers have unwittingly woven it into their morality preaching and caused the very problems they want to prevent (unwanted pregnancies, STD's) to escalate.
I remember growing up I saw more unwed pregnant teenage girls in church than I ever did in public school. Many would get married off at ages as young as 15 and I can't count the times I would see the same girls 10, 15 and 20 years later on their fourth. fifth and six marriages (or unwed and living at home being a serious burden to their aging parents) with no less than 3 or 4 kids.
The very problems they attempt to cure are exacerbated by their sick theolgies and guilt trips.
I'll write more to this, but I got to go back to work now.
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| Aug 29 @ 1:58 PM |
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bevrice
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Wow, thor, where did you grow up? I can only remember a very few.
Fundie Christians, thor, lol. I know many many Christian parents who have put their daughters on birth control. I have never seen ny church I have gone to that put guilt on ANYONE, you know guilt is not of the Lord. He may bring us to remorse but when we are forgiven, that should be over with.
Churches I know preach forgiveness, compassion.
Birth control, while no parent wants their daughters to have sex before they are grown, people know that sometimes girls slip up, and some just choose to have sex, no matter what they have been taught, so, birth control, of course. It is the abortions that we don't like, thor.
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| Aug 29 @ 1:58 PM |
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SunBabe
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~pssst~ That bit about "spilling seed" sure sounded like jacking off... to me. 
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| Aug 29 @ 2:01 PM |
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bevrice
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Thor, do you know how much higher the divorce rate among people who live together before marriage?
Do you have daughters, thor?
So you think people should all be going out having sex whenever they feel like it, not waiting for marriage, and then you wonder why stds are so prevalent, gee, thor.
Even in the schools in sex education they teach abstinance.
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| Aug 29 @ 2:02 PM |
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16knots
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Hellfire, bev talking sex again~!
You are one frigged hussy!
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| Aug 29 @ 2:07 PM |
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bevrice
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Wow, sun, you are not guilty of that then? I guess you have SEED to spill?
Blame this one on Thor, knots.
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| Aug 29 @ 2:24 PM |
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16knots
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No, I blame you. You are the subject of the topic and perpetuating your Self.
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| Aug 29 @ 2:29 PM |
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SunBabe
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Wow, sun, you are not guilty of that then? I guess you have SEED to spill?
Huh? When did I ever say that I used the Bible to measure "guilt"? YOU are the one who is supposededly following the Bible. Not ME. YOU even PREACH it!!! Endlessly. 
~sheesh~ Talk about not getting the gist of things. If that woman can't get the gist of what I, a mere mortal, has to say, how can she comprehend the gist of a complicated tome like the Bible? 
(BTW, the only "seed" I ever spilled was once a month, during my period...but let's not get into sex education classes now.  )
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| Aug 29 @ 2:51 PM |
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hammertime
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~pssst~ That bit about "spilling seed" sure sounded like jacking off... to me. I think soc has that one covered.
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| Aug 29 @ 3:09 PM |
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joe_kerr
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The info is a bit old, but the statistics probably haven't changed very much in the past few years.
Abortions and abortion rates by state.
If anyone has any newer data, please post it.
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| Aug 29 @ 3:20 PM |
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hammertime
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The truth is.....
Christians are hypocrites
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| Aug 29 @ 3:41 PM |
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Angel54214
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You are the subject of the topic and perpetuating your Self.
knotty...you live in the bible belt!
you were going to be a priest and you refuse to let GOD go!
 
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| Aug 29 @ 5:07 PM |
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16knots
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knotty...you live in the bible belt!
you were going to be a priest and you refuse to let GOD go!
What on earth is all that about. Not seen this posted before 
My "Christian" days were over thirty years ago and where i came from a christian Priest had respectability.
As for the Bible Belt... as I have recently learnt.... yes... I do live in the "Bible Belt" and dont I know it.
But it reminds me of the days when I scrapped all the religious indoctrinations from my soul. I'm a clean boy now 
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| Aug 30 @ 10:38 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Wow, thor, where did you grow up? I can only remember a very few.
Charleston,SC and Jacksonville,Florida. You also have to remember,Bev, we're different generations. You grew up in the late 40's, early 50's. I grew up in the 60's-70's.
So you think people should all be going out having sex whenever they feel like it, not waiting for marriage, and then you wonder why stds are so prevalent, gee, thor.
Where did I say that? All I said that people's expectations of their kids should be realistic, as should their approach to sex education. Are you familiar with how sex is viewed by youth in countries like Norway, Sweden, Holland, Denmark or Iceland? I remember a documentary about youth in Iceland where an Icelandic dad was asked about the youth's attitudes toward sex. He was asked, "Is premarital sex encouraged or discouraged?" He replied, "Niether. Sex is seen as just another natural function of the body".
Yes, Bev, I have two daughters, I've already mentioned that.
That bit about "spilling seed" sure sounded like jacking off... to me I think you are referring to the sin of Onan in Genesis. He was struck dead by God for the practice of coitus interuptus. I believe the Catholic church uses this as their basis for their views on birth control.
Anyway, the main thrust of my OP was the unrealistic ideals of chastity the Bible Belt believes and how the attitudes have exacerbated problems they claim they're trying to prevent. The abstinence sex ed programs are about as sensible as creation science. There was even an episode of Dr. Phil bout it. Dr. Phil didn't think very highly of it, and regardless of what one may think of Dr. Phil, he's at least a licensed therapist from the secular world.
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| Aug 30 @ 10:49 AM |
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Blondino
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I will be visiting the Bible Belt in two weeks ..... am I safe
will I be molested
<<< skerered
Washington Post critic Tom Shales calls the Bible Belt ''scary as hell.''
''…the Christians we see in this film are unyielding in the rightness of their ideas (i.e., evolution and abortion are wrong, ‘Jesus is the only way' and America is a Christian nation), and if someone challenges them, they simply say God has told them the truth. Certitude is the common bond…much of what the evangelicals say has to do with loving thy neighbor and finding 'eternal life.' But there is also an unmistakable combative tone that grows more aggressive as Pelosi's travels continue…Teenage Christian zealots attend a ''training camp'' for ''young warriors.'' A man identified as a Christian comic shouts from the stage, 'We want our country back, and we'll fight for it' and a solicitation letter from Jerry Falwell is headlined in large italic type, 'Will you join me in a declaration of war?' They call it a culture war, Christians vs. 'the secular progressive movement'…Christians vs. abortion rights advocates, and Christians vs. science…everywhere, beneath the widely smiling faces and facade of love in this film, there's a lurking hyper-nationalism that tries to link evangelicals with the U.S. flag and the Founding Fathers, and a seemingly paranoid hostility that maintains Christians are the most persecuted group in America…''Friends of God'' is powerful filmmaking in a uniquely understated way, a tour through another America that is sometimes funny, sometimes touching, and sometimes scary as hell.''
[Edited on 8/30/2008 11:04 AM]
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| Aug 30 @ 4:01 PM |
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Bamadreamer
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I live in the Bible belt and I was horrified when a local psychologist told me that it was "the in thing" to lose your virginity behind the 3 crosses on a hill at a local church and he also said that another thing that is "in" with teen girls is getting pregnant. I don't know statistics for my county but I have heard of quite a few girls in middle school and high school pregnant since we moved here about 3 yrs ago.
My 13 yr old talks about her step sister who is 17 with a 1 yr old..I don't know if she thinks it's cool at all. Just being in the same house, the last thing any teenager probably wants to hear is a baby crying or a toddler getting into their things.
I will also say that as a teenager I feel I was raised with the thinking that a girl is supposed to graduate high school and get married, which is exactly what I did. I was so miserable at home I wanted a ticket out.
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| Aug 30 @ 4:12 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Thank you Blondino. Salaam. Now as a Muslim, I'm sure you share no kinship with hate monging thugs who commit atrocities in the name of Allah. So someone tell me what's the difference in the mentality of radical Muslims and Militant Fundy Christians, or even to be really PC (for the benefits of perhaps Angel and Janika, I'm pretty sure one of you would interject this thought) militant atheistic/communist/fascist extremeists? They're all nutcake wack jobs who do no service to any belief system . What difference does it make what flavor it takes?
I've noticed a common thread with folks who suffer mental disorders where extremisms are symptoms. They swing like a pendulum from being hard partying, hard working ,live for today swingers with heavy substance abuse, sexual extremisms in everything from fetish behavior to criminal acts of perversion to swinging to the opposite, sexual starvation (think SoC, he reminds me of a character Tom Hanks played in one of his early films about a kid that went overbord with a D & D type of game) nd spartan living. If there's no official name to it, I would call it the St. Augustine Syndrome.
For too long symptoms of mental and emotional disorders have been proliferated and nurtured by being mis interpreted as something spiritual or metaphysical."Joe is an alcoholic because the devil is out there tempting him and he doesn't have the strong faith in the Power of the Shed Blood of Jesus to help him resist" or, even worse,"STD's are God's chastisement for violating his holy commandments on that most holy sacred act of intimacy which must only be done by a married man and woman, for which there must be myriad other restrictions. No sex at certain hours and never during a menstrual cycle.No birth control (in some faiths), and many of the more anal religions (pun intended), have restrictions on what kinds of sex can be had between husband and wife.
Now I'm aware many faiths have become a little saner on this subject, but from my chair, all I've seen from these abstinance only programs is a type of hyper fanaticism that is eerily reminiscent of the Antisex League in George Orwell's classic, "1984".
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| Aug 30 @ 4:20 PM |
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Thor1960303
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I live in the Bible belt and I was horrified when a local psychologist told me that it was "the in thing" to lose your virginity behind the 3 crosses on a hill at a local church and he also said that another thing that is "in" with teen girls is getting pregnant. I don't know statistics for my county but I have heard of quite a few girls in middle school and high school pregnant since we moved here about 3 yrs ago.
If you think any of this is new, think again. In my teen years (1973-79), there were girls who specialized in discreet hand jobs under a jacket in a guy's lap, to BJ's and even intercourse in church closets and offices. That's just what I hear  of course. I wouldn't know  , I was busy studying my Sunday School lessons   at the time.
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| Aug 30 @ 5:00 PM |
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Blondino
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Thor
I find extremism about anything scary .. I was joking about being scared to visit the Bible Belt of course .. I have been there before .... I am a traveler  and know people are people all over the world ....
Point is the media have the power to influence those who do not have their own experiences of other places outside their own comfort zone . So many people are scared of the unknown , the unfamiliar , the new......I am not one of them
[Edited on 8/30/2008 5:15 PM]
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| Aug 30 @ 5:09 PM |
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Loreli
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You are the subject of the topic and perpetuating your Self How many more.....
Can everyone grow up and start legitimate damn threads?
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