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16knots
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If two Israelite men are fighting and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, her hand must be cut off without pity. (Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NLT)
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16knots
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On the journey, when Moses and his family had stopped for the night, the LORD confronted Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah, his wife, took a flint knife and circumcised her son. She threw the foreskin at Moses' feet and said, "What a blood-smeared bridegroom you are to me!" (When she called Moses a "blood-smeared bridegroom," she was referring to the circumcision.) After that, the LORD left him alone. (Exodus 4:24-26 NLT)
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BandTMom
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"Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me! "But you ask, 'What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?' "You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do," says the LORD Almighty, "I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in! Try it! Let me prove it to you! Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not shrivel before they are ripe," says the LORD Almighty. (Malachi 3:8-11 NLT)
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Angel54214
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Good thread knotty 
If two Israelite men are fighting and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, her hand must be cut off without pity. (Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NLT) Never liked the NLT version...
KJV
11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
It's always been said that when 2 men fight, a woman should never interfere or come between them. In this case, they being Israelites the men are bretheren and should not be fighting in the first place for they agreed to be a Holy Nation and love one another. Now the woman can put herself in much danger interceding as well as the manner she intercedes, which is not lady like. She can cause more harm interceding and someone could end up dead from her distraction. Oops! sorry lady, didn't know your hand was going to be in the way and my sword slipped...lol. Her hand acted as as "offense."
In the Hebrew oral law of retaliation eye for an eye, etc. as one must pay the price of an offensive member of the body. If the price set could not be met for the "damaged" part, then the member of that body was to be removed; this was to be a lesson learned for all the tribes. So in this particular law judgement example goes to say that the husband due to the wife's interference of her offense, he is killed by the opponent and she looses her hand in the midst of the fight because her husband does not live to pay the price and save her from loosing her hand as the Hebrew oral law states of human body members. No pity would an eye lay upon her because she was a woman and entered into a man's serious retaliation event.
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Blondino
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Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.
Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
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bevrice
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You guys need to go study what the Mosaic fence laws were.
A FENCE AROUND THE TORAH
"Moses received the Torah at Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua, Joshua to the elders, and the elders to the prophets, and the prophets to the men of the Great Synagogue.
"The latter used to say...make a fence round the Torah." Aboth 1.1
The Third Talmudic Claim: The oral law is a fence around the written Torah.
Why does the Torah need a fence around it? J. Israelstam explains that, "The Torah is conceived as a garden and its precepts as precious plants. Such a garden is fenced round for the purpose of obviating willful or even unintended damage. Likewise, the precepts of the Torah were to be 'fenced' round with additional inhibitions that should have the effect of preserving the original commandments from trespass."1
This explanation is affirmed in different places in the Talmud, e.g. "The Rabbis erected a safeguard for a Scriptural law."2 "R.Eliezer b. Jacob said: I have heard that the Beth Din may impose flagellation and pronounce [death] sentences even where not [warranted] by the Torah; yet not with the intention of disregarding the Torah but to make a fence around it."3 Though the actions of the Rabbis are not sanctioned by the Torah, they are done to protect the Torah.
This is the common understanding of how the Oral Law serves as a fence around the Torah, but there is a serious problem with it. The Rabbis were not seeking to "preserve the original commandments from trespass." Had they done that, they and their laws would have been left without any authority. After all, the original commandments did not authorize the Rabbis to build a fence or do anything else.
There was a radical and irreconcilable conflict between the Torah and the Rabbis as to the basis and structure of authority, as well as its source and administration. That is why the Rabbis gave themselves the right to alter, revise, trespass, and uproot the original commandments. Nevertheless, there is a sense in which the Oral Law really is a fence around the Torah, a fence that serves a different purpose. Robert Frost speaks to the point in his poem, "Mending Wall":
"Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offense."
A fence protects by restricting access. What it surrounds can only be seen through the fence or approached by permission of the owner. When something is fenced in, someone is fenced out.
The Talmud says the Rabbis gave complete authority to themselves.4 To obscure that fact, they built a fence around Torah. The fence both obscures Torah and keeps the people from Torah. "Our Rabbis taught: They who occupy themselves with the Bible are but of indifferent merit; with Mishnah, are indeed meritorious, and are rewarded for it; with Gemara — there can be nothing more meritorious; yet run always to the Mishnah more than to the Gemara."5 Studying the Bible was said to be of no great importance. Studying the rabbinic writings brought great reward. Israel was told to trust in the Rabbis.
Above all, a fence indicates ownership. The Talmud explains that erecting a fence is a means of asserting ownership over something one didn't own before. "In the case, however, where land is presented as a gift, or of brothers dividing an inheritance, or of one who seizes the property of a proselyte, ownership can be claimed as soon as the first step has been taken towards making a door or a fence or an opening."6 "If he does anything at all in the way of setting up a door or making a fence or an opening, this constitutes a title of ownership."7
This Talmudic portion is followed by a section discussing what actions constitute 'taking possession' of a particular piece of property. One means for taking possession is to increase the height of a fence. "If a man raises a fence already existing to ten handbreadths, ...this constitutes effective occupation."8
"R. Akiba said:...Tradition is a fence to the Torah.'"9 In saying this, Akiba agreed with Josephus and the gospels, though their view of placing torah behind tradition was negative. The contemporary sources indicate that the appearance of "tradition" before Akiba was as a small fence with great gaps in it.
That allowed too much free access. "The All Merciful taught Moses thus: ‘Thou must not allow the greater part of a fence to consist of gaps’. R. Huna the son of R. Joshua ruled, ‘it is forbidden for it is this that the All Merciful taught Moses: ‘Its greater part [must be] fence’."10 Akiba raised the fence and closed the gaps to assert ownership of the Torah, according to the rabbinic principle of labud. 11
The goal was to fence the people off from the Torah and from all other influences that would have competed with rabbinic interpretation and authority.12 In the system which was erected, no one else had the right to interpret Torah. Not the am ha'aretz, nor the priests, nor the prophets, nor the Sadducees, the Qumran Covenanters, the Talmidei Yeshua, nor anyone else.
Not even God.
This was the continuing theme of the rabbinic writings. "The apologetic function of the midrash is not only to denigrate the translation of Scripture, but to establish the exclusive authority of the Pharisaic tradition as the legitimate recipient and interpretation of divine revelation."13 Only the Rabbis could give the authorized interpretation. Who said so? They themselves. As a fence, the Oral Law is
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bevrice
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You always forget these, knots, which are all OURS, we have all the good promises just none of those curses you keep posting. This is just a a sampling of all the good things we are promised.
http://http://www.cedarville.edu/departments/counsel/verses.htm
Anxiety
Phillipians 4:6
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
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Belief
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Acts. 16:31
I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
John 6:47
I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.
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Blessings
Numbers 6:24
The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face shine upon you; the Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.
Psalms 2:12
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
Psalm 115:15
May you be blessed by the Lord the Maker of heaven and earth.
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Care
Psalm 91:11
For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
Isaiah 30:19
How gracious he will be when you cry for help.
Isaiah 41:10
So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you will my righteous right hand.
Matthew 6:8
Your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
I Peter 5:7
Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.
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Comfort
Psalms 46:1-3
God is our refuge and strength, an ever present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea, though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging.
Psalms 18:2
The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalms 27:14
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord.
John 16:33
I have told you these things, so that in me your may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.
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Faith/Faithfulness
Josua 1:9
Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified;, do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.
Joshua 1:5
As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.
Psalm 18:2
The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn on my salvation, my stronghold.
Proverbs 3:5,6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your path straight.
Lamentations 3:22, 23
Because of the Lord's great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. They are new every morning; great is your faithfulness.
Hebrew 10:23
Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.
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Friendship
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
Genesis 31:49
May the Lord keep watch between you and me when we are away from each other.
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Guidance
Isaiah 42:16
I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake the.
Proverbs 16:9
In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps.
Psalms 32:8
I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you and watch over you.
Isaiah 30:21
Whether you tun to the right of to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, "This is the way; walk in it."
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Help in Trouble
Psalms 32:7
You are my hiding place; you will protect me from trouble and surround me with songs of deliverance.
Psalms 71:20
Though you have made me see troubles, many and bitter, you will restore my life again; from the depths of the earth you you will again bring me up.
Psalms 73:26
My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion.
Psalm 138:7
Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life; you stretch out your hand against the anger of my foes, with your right hand you save me.
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Loving God
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
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BandTMom
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bevrice
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Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.
Psalms 37:4
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.
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Peace
Colossians 3:15
Let the peace of God rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
Isaiah 32:17
The fruit of righteousness will peace; the effect of righteousness will be quietness and confidence"
Now, these are just a FEW of the promises, there are so many more. God is good to us and loves us.
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BandTMom
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bevrice
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No, I think that GOOD Bible quotes to refute the bad ones is very much in order, mom.
Besides, they are quoting things that the rabbais added to the word to protect the mosaic laws, the torah, not things of GOD, anyway.
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BandTMom
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Besides, they are quoting things that the rabbais added to the word to protect the mosaic laws, the torah, not things of GOD, anyway.
Oh so man DID add to the Bible. 
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bevrice
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Yes, in the Old Testament, rabbais added those things to protect the Torah.
That is the only place in the whole Bible that I know of that they did that.
Those things were not given them by God.
You didn't know that?
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hammertime
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Psalm 19 KJV
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
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THE BIBLE IS RECLUSIVE
Exodus 31 KJV
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Deuteronomy 13 KJV
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Leviticus 24 KJV
16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
Deuteronomy 21 KJV
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. 22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
2 Chronicles 15 KJV
12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;
13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
Believe or get shitted on
Malachi 2 KJV
2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
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hammertime
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JESUS IS REPULSIVE
Matthew 15
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
Matthew 18 KJV
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Luke 14 KJV
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 19:27 KJV
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.
Matthew 19 KJV
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matthew 10 KVJ
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mark 14:51-52 KJV
51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: 52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
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PAUL USES DECEPTION TO GAIN FOLLOWERS. HE'S A LIAR.
1 Corinthians 9 KJV
19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. 20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
Romans 3 KJV:
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Philippians 1 KJV
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
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hammertime
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THE BIBLE IS REPULSIVE TO WOMEN
"But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then you shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..."
..........Deuteronomy 22:20
"Behold the day of the Lord is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished..."
..........Zachariah 14:1
"...I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the light of this sun."
..........2 Samuel 12:11
"I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire will be for your husband."
..........Genesis 3:16
"Thus a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives..."
..........Romans 7:2
"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..."
..........1 Corinthians 7:4
"Likewise, you wives, be submissive to your husbands..."
..........1 Peter 3:1
"For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman but woman for man."
..........1 Corinthians, 11:8
"As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."
..........1 Corinthians 14:34
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."
..........Timothy 2:11
"And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem..."
..........2 Samuel 5:13
And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
..........Leviticus 15:19-24
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Yes, in the Old Testament, rabbais added those things to protect the Torah.
That is the only place in the whole Bible that I know of that they did that.
Those things were not given them by God. I thouht that you and your croonies believed that the bible is the inerrant word of god? Now you say rabbis added to (changed) the OT.
So we finally have a christian that agrees that mankind has bastardized the bible to protect their beliefs and dogma. If these Jewish rabbis changed the OT, what was to keep them from also changing the NT. It would be very beneficial for those same rabbis to lead people away from the teachings of Jesus. Jesus was a threat to the Jewish religion, so tampering with Jesus' teachings to retain OT beliefs would do two things. The first would be the retaining of their tribal god (god of Abraham). The second being that the changes would support the Jewish goals to recruit gentiles into their religion.
Jews that did not want to open Judaism to gentiles, are what we now call Jews. Jews that wanted gentiles included in their religion had to incorporate into their religion a way for gentiles (being that they were not chosen) to be acceptable and adopted by their god. Jesus was a Jew that taught that everyone including gentiles were children of god, but his teachings included many eastern beliefs that the "Jews for gentiles" movement were against.
The NT is the result of the " Jews for gentiles" execution of Jesus to eliminate his threat to the movement and the twisting of Jesus' teachings to conform with their goals. The 'Jews for gentiles" also realized that survival depended on support of Rome. Because of this, early christian doctrine was changed to incorporate many pagan beliefs.
The NT that is now in the christian bible has been changed many times over to define what we now call christianity.
Lets face it, the bible is a book of fables developed to reform Judaism to include gentiles. Christianity is really a denomination of Judaism.
I would like Bev to explain why she feels that only the OT has been tampered with. History points to the fact that the NT has also been changed. Many scrolls of older scripture have been found that show the evolution of christian thought.
Peace
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One of the points of Jesus' teachings was to bring out the "falseness" of the Pharisees change in the "oral law".
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Ode To My Favorite Heathen
How did I find myself in Hell?
I confess and it's only a guess is my one and only crime
Of getting bum directions from a crazy guy named Hammertime
He made me take a wrong exit on my drive to paradise
So if you want to get to heaven bypass the 7&Eleven
Where the heathen works. And what ever you do don't take exit 666
Like the little prick told me to do.
Now I have to live here in Hell in sin
Along with the other heathens just like him
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