| Sep 3 @ 4:32 PM |
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Loreli
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(thanks for the idea, Sunny 
when your beliefs are put down or questioned?
(no preaching or text quoting-feeling only...)
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| Sep 3 @ 4:45 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Disrespected..plain and simple.. and not so willing to engage in religious discussion .. especially when Im told Im going to hell for my beliefs by someone who knows NOTHING about me 
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| Sep 3 @ 4:52 PM |
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Aeromuse
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I consider the source.
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| Sep 3 @ 4:55 PM |
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16knots
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Doesnt bother me in the least.
I havenrt heard any negative aspect of Buddhism which was true in all my time understanding and practicing Buddhism.
Christian beliefs dont bother me either. Or any other religion.
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| Sep 3 @ 5:00 PM |
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pamdemonium
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Depends on the delivery, though the term put down doesn't have good implications.
Generally, if challenged, I try to be open minded, but capable of being offended like anyone is.
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| Sep 3 @ 5:05 PM |
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SunBabe
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Since I'm very secure in what I believe (and DON'T believe), I tend to shrug it off when it's directed at me. (Except when I've had enough, lol...then I'll let loose  )
However it galls me to see those who also have a different perspective of the SAME religion continually being told that their personal beliefs aren't valid...and because of that, they're going to hell without passing "Go".
Next is the condemnation of choice and adherance to different religions and beliefs...the referring to those things as "evil". What a nasty thing to do. 
There's a big difference between "discussing" and downright PREACHING. And there are just as many "paths" as there are people in the world...concepts of the "right one" is exclusive to the individual!
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| Sep 3 @ 5:06 PM |
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Loreli
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I consider the source.
I think we could have darn good discussion here!
When I get told I don't know what I'm doing, I don't understand or the CRAMCRAMCRAM stuff, I suffer narcolepsy.(sleep w/o hallucinations!)
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| Sep 3 @ 5:41 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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when your beliefs are put down or questioned? It depends on the how and why.
Sail disagrees with me on a lot of things, but he speaks sincerely and from the heart.
Hammer is a wise guy, granted, but his jabs come from what he believes and not a false appearance he is trying to project.
I guess ot simmarize, as long as person is acting based on their beliefs and not trying to present themselves as something they are not, it does not bother me.
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| Sep 3 @ 5:53 PM |
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hammertime
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when your beliefs are put down or questioned? For a long time I've invited that sort of thing but very few know how to even question them. If any of my beliefs are made fun of then I'd have to consider why they're so ridiculous. So far not even the delusionals have been able to find anything to make fun of. Like how can you make fun of science, reasoning, logic, critical thinking, mathematics, art? OK, you can make fun of art. No one's perfect.
If I believed that rocks turn into elves after midnight would you make fun of that? Yes? No? Would you make fun of me if I said I have gnomes living in my backyard? Well if you don't there just may be something wrong with you and not me because it just might be something you believe in. What can I say? If you think gnomes prance around with the rabbits and racoons than you just might be fodder for laughter at your expense.
Now consider Christianity. Its very easy to make fun of it because of the very nature of the people who believe in it. First is the garbled and ridiculous speaking in tongues gibberish. Its like a grand practical joke someone put on Christianity just to prove how stupid people can get when their minds are so entranced with dogma and superstition. Someone was either very mentally ill who created it or they were a brilliant practical joker. Take your pick.
Now lets sum of all of Christianity in one brief synopsis.
Christianity is a blind faith in a dead Jewish rabbi, who is his own father, can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him he is your master so he can remove the evil within you that is present in humanity because a woman who was made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree.
OK, now that's a bit brief. A bit of a run on sentence but its all there. If that's not ridiculous then someone please give me another example.
But lets get a bit more serious. If anyone proclaims a belief and then attempts to validate it in public by saying its the only truth and all other beliefs wrong and your soul will suffer Satan's eternal torment then I want to see the evidence. Yes, evidence but show soon after I laugh my ass off so I can see what it is you're talking about. Without evidence, all you got is faith and faith is mostly blind belief in something you think is real but isn't. But If you demand respect for this then expect mockery and ridicule. You should expect this because its written in scripture. If people are living up to those expectations then don't complain. Just be happy.
If you want, you can substitute any other religion in this post and it pretty much works the same way.
[Edited on 9/3/2008 5:57 PM]
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| Sep 3 @ 5:54 PM |
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hammertime
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Hammer is a wise guy, granted, but his jabs come from what he believes and not a false appearance he is trying to project. Oppps, sorry I did my post before I saw yours. 
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| Sep 3 @ 6:09 PM |
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Thor1960303
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when your beliefs are put down or questioned?
It depends on who's doing it and the circumstances. I've been ridiculed and called everything from a "poor misguided unbeliever, blinded by worldly doctrine", to an out and out "heathen atheist devil worshipper"(which I've never been able to figure out how a person can be an atheist and still worship a diety when atheism doesn't espouse a belief in such). Usually it makes me laugh. If questioned seriously by someone wanting to know, I'll happily try to answer them. When the conversation degenerates into an attempt at conversion or like some here have, results in a repetitive chanting of prayer and scripture, then all bets are off. It's not a conversation anymore and as far as I'm concerned, they're fair game for ridicule or any other verbal retaliation.
Fortunately, I've never been beaten up by any of the redneck variety of fundies that are so prevalent down here, but I have friends who have and I have also been threatened to have my kids taken away and even reported to agencies on bogus charges. The charges have always been proven to be baseless and have been dropped, but not without much hassle. There is one particular family member I will have nothing to do with because she pulled such a stunt.
Just last weekend,while I was property shopping for a new drive in theater, I was approached by two Mormon missionaries and had a really nice conversation with them, even though I told them outright that I believed Christianity to be a fable and mythic type of worship, no different from the beliefs of the ancients who worshipped Zeus or Odin. They were respectful and one of them proceeded to give me the usual bit about how he KNEW Christ was real because of his life experience. I replied that what he eaperienced was subjective reality and one I did not share. In the end we all shook hands and I told them that even though I disagreed and in many cases felt that most religious faith was toxic and outdated, I supported their First Ammendment rights to believe what they wanted and to even share it as they did with their bicycle mission.I even told them about the grip I used to work with who was Mormon and that their production company in Utah (Bonneville Productions) trained their people well. I didn't have the heart to tell them that he gladly served on a nudie shoot I did for Harley Davidson and Bike Week '96. I also didn't share any anecdotes about a Mormon producer/director I worked with who smoked like a chimney and could drink any sailor under the table.
I've never had my beliefs challenged or put down by anyone but Christians and a few Muslims. No Jew, Pagan, Satanist, Wiccan or any other belief system has ever put my beliefs (or lack thereof) down or tried to convert me to theirs. Only Christian and always the fundamentalist variety.
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| Oct 1 @ 12:10 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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How does it make you feel?
when your beliefs are put down or questioned? I feel challenged. sort of a "Is what I believe reasonable" sort of thing. A reality check.
I believe that man does not have it all figured out. That our creator, whatever he is, created a hybrid who suffered for my sins so that I may be pardoned and become immortal.
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| Oct 1 @ 12:32 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Would you make fun of me if I said I have gnomes living in my backyard?
Why would I do that? Mine love the back yard,,, 
when your beliefs are put down or questioned?
I don't mind being questioned, but badgered to the point of ridiculed is wrong.
Everyone needs something to believe in.
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| Oct 1 @ 3:58 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Feel free to ridicule mine as much as you want. I freely admit that it's all speculation on my part, based on what feels good (i.e. true) to me. I figure that anybody's belief is going to be based on what feels good (i.e. true) to them. As long as nobody's telling me that I have to behave according to their beliefs, I'm okay with it, but please don't tell me that this is a Christian nation and we have to act accordingly, or spread the word. I truly have a problem with it when I see tax dollars given to Christian faith-based missions. I fully agree that those who are anti-choice should not have to have their tax dollars spent to provide abortions - let's ban charitable contributions from government handling entirely and let each of us do as our own conscience dictates.
End of rant, thank you for your patience - that's what happens when you're both a deist AND a libertarian... 
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| Oct 1 @ 8:39 PM |
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MisterMatt
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It used to make me feel attacked. Now I just try and get along. My personal beliefs are mine. Often I just wish they could experience what I have. But each person chooses. I'm comfortable with mine and expect attacks anymore. But I have learned how to forgive and forget.
Besides, it is not my place to judge those outside of the flock. So I'll keep my crutch called religion. I don't expect others to.
MM
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| Oct 1 @ 8:41 PM |
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BandTMom
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I don't have "beliefs". I have only what I have proved to myself so others opinions really don't matter. 
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| Oct 1 @ 9:01 PM |
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Snappygoddess
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I can't say I enjoy having my beliefs "put down" however...others opinions(which they are freely entitled to) do not change how I feel, think or behave. I, alone am in control of what I say, do and believe.
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| Oct 2 @ 8:50 AM |
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yashaenka
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Usually the discussion about Christianity and about the Blind Faith approach many of us on here object too, has nothing to do with the religion itself.
It has to do with ignorance and acceptance by those using Blind Faith of words that are man made God did not write them. As far as were concerned the subject could be Wombats where someone using a Blind Faith approach swears they are Bombats because it is written somewhere.
But it gets personal to us when anyone says we are going to hell based on their own ignorance about the veracity of their source.
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| Oct 2 @ 9:16 AM |
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hammertime
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When it comes to those with religious beliefs, they are more willing to die fighting to defend their myths more than they would be willing to die fighting for equal rights, fairness, equality of the races or sexes and especially those with "other" beliefs. More so, history has shown us that those with religious beliefs, especially Christianity, were very willing to force their ideologies upon others at the threat of death. Christians have a long history of violence against others that far exceeds Muslim insanity today. Fanatical Muslims appear so evil but thats only because our minds are civilized in comparison yet if Christians had similar theocracies today we would see it differently. Christians throughout history were far worse and we are lucky they didn't have nuclear power back then. We do have nuclear power today and John Hagee is just dying to blow up Muslims using it. That alone gives you an idea of the religious insanity among Christians today.
So why should anyone with any understanding of history care how putting down one's beliefs makes them feel when these same folks spent a great deal of ingenuity inflicting real pain upon others? How would you explain these things that were inspired by Jesus loving minds?
http://torture.justsickshit.com/torture-in-the-medieval-timessickly/?nggpage=2
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| Oct 2 @ 9:36 AM |
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hammertime
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But I should answer the question. How it makes me feel if my beliefs are put down or questioned. If you put down my beliefs I would appreciate knowing why so that if you are correct I would change them. That's right. I would change my beliefs based on reason, fact, evidence and logic. If I believe unicorns or leprechauns exist or invisible men then you can laugh all you want at my stupid beliefs because they would be stupid and laughable. If I believed the earth is flat, go ahead, laugh and ridicule because I would deserve it. However, if I believe the earth is a sphere and the earth revolves around the sun but you believe the earth is flat and laughing at me I'm going to be very amused.
If you question my beliefs I would provide answers. If I had no answer then you can laugh at me all you want because I'd be laughing with you.
So go ahead, give me your best shot.
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