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Why debate with someone who is clearly deranged?
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hammertime
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Its a simple question yet Christians and non-Christians alike continue to do so expecting some sort of rational result from someone whose mind is distorted, disturbed and deranged. You might as well be discussing Euclidean geometry with your dog because you will get a more sane interaction.
You are trying to reason with someone whose mind is so far gone they think people are in the room with them when its empty. They see three lanes on two lane bridges and that kind of hallucination can get someone killed. They hear voices, feel physical hands pushing them when no one is there. They feel things entering their body they call a holy spirit that it controls them like a remote control for a robot. They see eyes changing colors in victims being abusively exorcised. Don't you know you are dealing with religious insanity and stupidity at its most stupid or do you fear you too might also suffer these same ridiculous beliefs but to a lesser degree so you pretend it doesn't exist or its not important? Look at yourselves too.
We know they are mindphucked beyond any kind of sensibility, rationality, logic and reason. We see the symptoms that fit schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder and others that if you are smart enough you can look up yourself. Its obvious they severely suffer a mental illness. If you took a closer look at their personal lives, it might become clearer to you. You will see the dysfunction, mental and possible physical abuses, the alcoholism, the suicidal ideations, the head traumas, the emotional traumas, the lack of education, etc, etc,etc...
So my question to you people is why are you not seeing the truth given the evidence that keeps appearing over and over? I submit you guys yourselves suffer the delusion that a mentally deteriorated person is going to respond to you in a way that's rational, sane and sensible when they lack that capability. What makes you think you can get through when even a trained psychiatrist or psychologist would have difficulty? In such cases it could take months or even years for mental health professionals to treat a person back to being a normal, rational and mentally healthy individual. When a person is that damaged, they need to be rebuilt. Do the studying and see for yourselves. Wake up already.
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| Sep 4 @ 12:32 PM |
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Loreli
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| Sep 4 @ 12:33 PM |
Why debate with someone who is clearly deranged?
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hammertime
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| Sep 4 @ 12:48 PM |
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Aeromuse
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With all due respect hammer, I think you really need to ask yourself that question, as your constant and tiresome rebuttals to such nonsense make this forum a miserable(albeit predictable) experience. You also seem obsessed with mental illness, which is also worrisome to me.
For someone who negates any sort of religion or spirituality at every turn, you sure as shit spend plenty of time in R&S, which I also can't figure out.
In my opinion, you are just as over-zealous as Bev - and even more annoying because you seem very intelligent and waste all your time spreading negativity. Sorry 
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| Sep 4 @ 1:30 PM |
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hammertime
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Aero
Well you have to consider we are talking about religion here and there is no way to extricate mental illness from it. Mental illness plays a role in religious beliefs because its based on delusions and fantasy. What really might be worrisome to you is that you might actually believe in some of those religious fantasies yourself and so you feel insulted in some way. You might not be as extreme as some others yet you are in that same boat and without a paddle. Still, the reality is, there is nothing in those beliefs that has any veracity, evidence, proof or reality. All you need to do is show me some evidence then I'll say "yeah, you got something there" but until you do, you really have no right to complain.
Lets face it. If you believe in invisible spirits, ghosts, goblins, gnomes, undines, invisible entities, Ouijia boards, tarot cards, crystals balls, magical forces and all that supernatural superstitious nonsense then what is it you are trying to defend? I think they're fun too but to me they're just forms of entertainment to watch others play with. To them they're real which is why I find it hilarious.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:35 PM |
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16knots
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Aero, I totally agree with you.
Although I respect hammer in many ways, he IS the opposite side of the coin with bev yet has many similarities too.
I might add he has often misled by the lack of scientific proofs in his postings that are available against his rational.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:37 PM |
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Aeromuse
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I have nothing to defend. I believe what I believe, and let others believe what they believe. I do not think I'm more enlightened, intelligent, or more evolved than people that follow different paths, and that's all I ask in return. I have nothing to prove.
And again I pose you the question - if you're so damn sure any sort of religious or spiritual inclination is a manifestation of mental illness - why are you always trolling in R&S? To show everyone how misguided, unbalanced, and stupid they are? IMO, that makes you no better than Bev.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:37 PM |
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hammertime
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Knots
You pick that up on a Ouija board? What's the frequency? I'll see if I can dust off the old ham radio.
[Edited on 9/4/2008 1:39 PM]
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| Sep 4 @ 1:38 PM |
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Aeromuse
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Is that the best you got hammer? I'm disappointed.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:40 PM |
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hammertime
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Aero
I'm sure you know a lot about disappoint but if your beliefs have no basis in reality then all you got is faith and having no evidence makes it blind faith.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:41 PM |
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yashaenka
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16 I might add he has often misled by the lack of scientific proofs in his postings that are available against his rational. I am a scientist just like you and I count only on a couple of my fingers where H has ever been in error.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:42 PM |
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Aeromuse
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If you say so hammer.
And, heeding the title of this thread, I'm now outtie 
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| Sep 4 @ 1:43 PM |
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hammertime
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if you're so damn sure any sort of religious or spiritual inclination is a manifestation of mental illness - why are you always trolling in R&S?
Well first off, who said all spiritual inclination is mental illness? Where did I post that? Are you not able to comprehend this? Second, trolling is someone who pops in and out and doesn't interact.
Religion, especially Christianity is not a spirituality. Its a superstitious dogma based on myths and unsubstantiated claims.
Now I'l ask you again for some evidence.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:44 PM |
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yashaenka
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To see clearly does not come from any books nor bibles. For each and ever person for themselves it only comes from their own direct experience. If they live in a dream world or are unstable their minds will make even direct experience a mockery, I have seen plenty evidence of that on here.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:46 PM |
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16knots
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Hammer,
was that it????
Yash,
hammer is in error by starting this thread. It is vindictiveness of the worse kind. In the past he has started threads as we all have. But it is becoming tiresome to see continuous vindictiveness and now to this point is enough for me personally.
Hammer is also in error if his hypothesis is correct, then he shows little if NO compassion towards the "ill" person in question. That is an absolute meanness.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:47 PM |
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hammertime
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I am a scientist just like you and I count only on a couple of my fingers where H has ever been in error Knots is just upset that I don't believe in ouija boards. He too has often said I use evidence to back up my statements. He'll get over it.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:49 PM |
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hammertime
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hammer is in error by starting this thread. It is vindictiveness of the worse kind. In the past he has started threads as we all have. But it is becoming tiresome to see continuous vindictiveness and now to this point is enough for me personally. Well I don't think it is enough. I think the problem needs to be addressed and dealt with. I think you tried to deal with such people and failed and so my OP is upsetting you. Can you notice I mentioned no names? Its only you who are inserting that. Well, not only you, but anyone who reads it and does that.
Hammer is also in error if his hypothesis is correct, then he shows little if NO compassion towards the "ill" person in question. That is an absolute meanness. Well then you admit there are some who really are mentally ill. Good acknowledgment. You're just wrong about "person", its really "persons". More than one.
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| Sep 4 @ 1:54 PM |
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yashaenka
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The title to this thread is a true and honest question. Why debate with someone who is clearly deranged? The answer is of course certainly not why waste your time talking to a deformed mind not capable of seeing things as they actually exist.
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| Sep 4 @ 2:11 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Its a simple question yet Christians and non-Christians alike continue to do so expecting some sort of rational result from someone whose mind is distorted, disturbed and deranged. You might as well be discussing Euclidean geometry with your dog because you will get a more sane interaction.
That's why I always confer with my cat on matters of mathematics. My dogs are more into the social and political sciences. Geez you should hear some of their debates, my Shepherd/Bulldog mix is a die hard Republican, supports McCain, but my Pointer is pulling for Obama. He says he always gets better food and chew toys under a democratic regime. The cat stays out of political discussions and only talks of religion when she wistfully reminisces on her previous lives when the Pharoes worshipped her. She says Jesus is a lame,impotent excuse when compared to Horus, Ra, Isis and Osiris.
If you're worried that I slipped a mental cog, I'm just tryinig to compete with Bev for entertainment value. 
You are trying to reason with someone whose mind is so far gone they think people are in the room with them when its empty. They see three lanes on two lane bridges and that kind of hallucination can get someone killed. They hear voices, feel physical hands pushing them when no one is there. They feel things entering their body they call a holy spirit that it controls them like a remote control for a robot. They see eyes changing colors in victims being abusively exorcised. Don't you know you are dealing with religious insanity and stupidity at its most stupid or do you fear you too might also suffer these same ridiculous beliefs but to a lesser degree so you pretend it doesn't exist or its not important? Look at yourselves too.
Dude, check my reply to your post of Is she or isn't she? I firmly believe that there is, was and always (at least until it's no longer profitable) will be a conspiracy from some areas of deep, higher up power in the world to fuel religious insanity. The symptoms you describe are very similar to people who are sitting in rubber prison cells now for assassinations and attempts at assassinations. How do we know whether or not guys like David Berkowitz, who took orders from an imaginary dog to assassinate people or Mark Chapman, who not long after a religious conversion, flew across the world to kill John Lennon ( a symbol of anti religion and governmental rebellion and mistrust) weren't experiments in mind control? What happened shortly afterwards? A revival of religious fundamentalism like we've never seen before complete with new political agendas bent on "returning America back to God".
Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but if I've learned nothing else from growing up in the Bible Belt, I've learned that I don't trust any of these buttholes any further than I could throw them(and even though I work out in the gym every day, I doubt I could hoist Falwell's dead carcass or toss Hagee's fat ass very far). Just because you may be paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you. 
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| Sep 4 @ 2:15 PM |
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yashaenka
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My Cat George who is the Master Roshi in my house says phew if it does not come from direct experience then how will you ever really know.
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