| Sep 11 @ 10:48 AM |
What is a hard boiled Christian?
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hammertime
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Its a Christian who hallucinates.
Its a Christian who is filled with delusions.
Its a Christian who embraces all the aspects of mental illness and psychosis defined by their dogma.
It is a Christian who tells lies even though they might believe its false.
It is a Christian who tells lies even though they might not believe its false.
It is a Christian who's truth is not dependent on any sort of critical thinking or insight.
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| Sep 11 @ 10:53 AM |
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sail_dancer
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There are also scrambled egg christians, but that's another story!
Peace
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| Sep 11 @ 11:11 AM |
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horizon000
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When a Hard Boiled Cristian recruites someone from another Religion, do these people then become "Poached"?
 
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| Sep 11 @ 11:11 AM |
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hammertime
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Well maybe there are omelet Christians who are both scrambled and hard boiled.
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| Sep 16 @ 5:46 PM |
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hammertime
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Yeah horizon, lets hear from some poached Christians already. 
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| Sep 16 @ 5:53 PM |
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16knots
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| Sep 16 @ 6:13 PM |
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Empath
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Very amusing, but disrespectful.
*gets off her soapbox*
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| Sep 16 @ 6:14 PM |
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hammertime
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Empath,
Can you explain?
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| Sep 16 @ 6:20 PM |
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Empath
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LOL
The play on words is quite amusing. In my mind, however, it's not a Christian portrayed here, but a fanatic, and I believe all religions have them.
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| Sep 16 @ 6:34 PM |
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hammertime
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Empath
I believe all religions have them too. But you believe fanatics are being portrayed and you're pretty much right. However, by virtue of faith which is always blind, anyone who believes in things that have no veracity, no evidence, avoiding certain facts about their own beliefs because they accept statements (dogma) granted all run the risk of going over that edge into fanaticism. When someone's mind dwells in the supernatural they are stepping away from reality. They travel a path where they start believing at the same point where they stop thinking. These are also the very same people who believe their manufactured and very artificial reality is the only way and everyone elses sends them to hell for eternal torment. What makes them hard boiled is their lack of logic, lack of epistemology, lack of ability to reason, lack of important knowledge.
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| Sep 16 @ 8:53 PM |
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Empath
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But you believe fanatics are being portrayed and you're pretty much right  Thank you.
no veracity, no evidence, You know this to be fact or is it an assumption, even possibly based on extensive research?
avoiding certain facts about their own beliefs because they accept statements (dogma) granted all run the risk of going over that edge into fanaticism Granted. However, when we get behind the wheel of a vehicle, or board another mode of transportation, we run the risk of death, or worse. What a crazy risk to take ... on faith that we will be okay.
When someone's mind dwells in the supernatural they are stepping away from reality. Pretty much. Does this guarantee insanity, or merely a desire to seek?
These are also the very same people who believe their manufactured and very artificial reality is the only way and everyone elses sends them to hell for eternal torment Not necessarily the same people. I'd put forth that these are the fanatics, or those who believe deeply in their chosen 'way'.
What makes them hard boiled is their lack of logic, lack of epistemology, lack of ability to reason, lack of important knowledge I must admit, I'm not all that familiar with the word epistemology, so I'm having difficultly addressing this statement.
How does one reason blind faith? I could give every person some example of blind faith in their life. It exists, and not just in religion.
As for logic, to my understanding, a need for a higher power is quite logical. Whether God (since the topic involves Christians) exists or not, a sincere belief in him lends strength, purpose, and conviction to millions. In my opinion, human beings need guidance, and where better to find guidance than in a benevolent higher power who's sole purpose is to LOVE?
Unfortunately, many do take it too far, forcing their beliefs on others, or indulging in hypocrisy, among other flaws, creating a negative image for the whole dogma.
IMO, a 'Christian' loves his fellow man and seeks to help rather than harm others.
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| Sep 16 @ 8:56 PM |
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Empath
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Oh, and I prefer my Christians sunny side up, thanks.
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| Sep 16 @ 9:15 PM |
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hammertime
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Granted. However, when we get behind the wheel of a vehicle, or board another mode of transportation, we run the risk of death, or worse. What a crazy risk to take ... on faith that we will be okay. I use this example of to demonstrate exactly what faith is. A lack of control and the unknown but this is not a good analogy to support superstitions.
Pretty much. Does this guarantee insanity, or merely a desire to seek? Insanity is what you do with delusions but moving in this direction will guarantee delusions if you are seeking without any critical thinking, requiring evidence, using logic, or being rational.
Not necessarily the same people. I'd put forth that these are the fanatics, or those who believe deeply in their chosen 'way'. You would be shocked to know who these fanatics are. They are numerous and they are also in government and one is running for vice president.
How does one reason blind faith? I could give every person some example of blind faith in their life. It exists, and not just in religion. True. There are plenty of stupid atheists, they just have their blind faith in other things instead of any god. These atheists would be the first to get converted.
As for logic, to my understanding, a need for a higher power is quite logical. Whether God (since the topic involves Christians) exists or not, a sincere belief in him lends strength, purpose, and conviction to millions. In my opinion, human beings need guidance, and where better to find guidance than in a benevolent higher power who's sole purpose is to LOVE? There are higher powers all over the place. Your wall outlet is a higher power. It will kill you if you plug yourself in. As for purpose in life that is defined by a myth as a guild, its been done forever but without God doesn't imply no purpose but quite the opposite. The greater the education, the lower the religosity in the person yet they have great purpose in their lives, professions, society, family,etc.
Human beings do need guidance and that's the purpose of education. Religion is too often the wrong guidance since its not based on reality. Examples are plenty. The Catholic church is no guidance to Africans dying of AIDS, they forbid use of condoms. Bible Belt Christians are no real guidance, they condemn all other cultures and homosexuals. Go figure Ted Haggard. The Bible Belt has more immorality than anywhere else. I did a thread on this.
And what higher power's sole purpose is LOVE? Anyone can choose the kind of god they want to believe in. I certainly would choose ONLY a god of LOVE but its just a concept. I prefer the real thing.
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| Sep 16 @ 9:42 PM |
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Empath
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Your points are quite valid, Hammer, and I won't argue religion because I am disillusioned with it in general...for what appears to be pretty many of the same reasons you are.
No, I don't think I'd be shocked to find out the actual statistics of the number of fanatics out there, I am just saddened that the decent Christians are belittled because of them.
It probably was a poor analogy...cars to "superstitions" (though I query the word in this instance)... but it was all I could think of at the time that was actual blind faith.
We can only assume that someone is not using 'critical thinking'. Their criteria may be vastly different than ours.....and completely satisfied by the answers they receive to their questions.
Your wall outlet is a higher power. It will kill you if you plug yourself in. Now I disagree with the analogy. Is a higher power considered to be, because it can kill you? On the contrary, I think it is because it guides us to better ourselves.
Human beings do need guidance and that's the purpose of education. Religion is too often the wrong guidance since its not based on reality. Examples are plenty. The Catholic church is no guidance to Africans dying of AIDS, they forbid use of condoms. Bible Belt Christians are no real guidance, they condemn all other cultures and homosexuals. Go figure Ted Haggard. The Bible Belt has more immorality than anywhere else. I did a thread on this. Aren't these only specific examples of where the true purpose of religion has been skewed?
And what higher power's sole purpose is LOVE? Anyone can choose the kind of god they want to believe in. I certainly would choose ONLY a god of LOVE but its just a concept. I prefer the real thing.
Which is why there are so many religions.
Your profile says you are spiritual. Is that any more real than the next person's belief?
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| Sep 16 @ 10:07 PM |
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Empath
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pretty many?? good grief!! 
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| Sep 16 @ 10:27 PM |
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hammertime
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No, I don't think I'd be shocked to find out the actual statistics of the number of fanatics out there, I am just saddened that the decent Christians are belittled because of them. And you see plenty of Christians themselves doing that belittling but because of dogma and not for rational, logical or epistemological reasons. There are decent Christians who themselves hope for a day when Christianity can clean up its act. Bishop Spong is one notable Christian who wishes for a reformation. He believes Christianity should be reformed or just die off.
We can only assume that someone is not using 'critical thinking'. Their criteria may be vastly different than ours.....and completely satisfied by the answers they receive to their questions. No, we can easily tell if someone is thinking critically or not. You can tell if someone uses self examination and insight or just parrots dogma. You can determine their criteria by seeing how satisfied they are with answers that are not based on any objective reality. That is what religiosity does to people.
Aren't these only specific examples of where the true purpose of religion has been skewed? There are so many specific examples that calling it skewed is an understatement. Inquisitions, Witch hunts, Crusades and today where Christians are trying to destroy the educational system only mount the evidence against these people.
I prefer a spirituality that is about reality. Reality is so big, so mysterious, awesome, fascinating that no one person or institution can claim to know even a fraction of it. We know so little about it yet we are too quick to make up fantasies and build delusions that only take us away from reality. I think religion takes us in the wrong direction yet myths have been inspirational expressions and vehicles to know that reality as best we can. Taking the myths as literal fact is where religion goes wrong. Their true purpose is to be metaphors that point the way. Anything else is spiritual blindness.
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| Sep 16 @ 11:51 PM |
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Empath
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Taking the myths as literal fact is where religion goes wrong. Their true purpose is to be metaphors that point the way
Namaste, Hammer. It has been a pleasure.
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| Sep 17 @ 9:31 AM |
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yashaenka
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A hard boiled Christians is like any other individual who has been brainwashed or brain washed then selves into believing anything to the point where they are like the Three Monkeys. They refuse to hear, see or talk
(discuss) anything that is contrary to their own dogma even when it is shown [as in the historical Jesus thread] that their belief system is built on quick sand not rock.
These types of Christians remind me of a child reading a comic book.
But then I am used to talking with real people, in real time within philosophy and religious forums in person. Take a Rabi, minister, monk, priest, or some Theologians of various faith and then discuss the veracity of what each puts forward.
The only time these types of Forums get iffy is when a Fundamentalist [radical] shows up and then starts sputtering gibberish without veracity. Funny thing though is they all seem to be foaming at the mouth....
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| Sep 17 @ 9:59 AM |
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Empath
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Funny thing though is they all seem to be foaming at the mouth....
Mayhap they need to convince themselves before they try convincing other of their own beliefs?
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| Sep 17 @ 11:16 AM |
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yashaenka
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Anytime you put forward a premise then start telling others This is so because it is written, then are upset when another points out what you put forth is but undocumented hyperbola it is your own fault for not testing your own premise for truth.
If the premise be true most of the time, but not always, the conclusion is true. If the premise is untrue there is no way to prove the conclusion to be true.
A White horse is not a horse. This was proved to be true and never logically proved to be false, yet we know that it is. A white horse is not a horse is both a statement and a question. So the premise is false to start with so no true conclusion can be made from a false premise.
Thats what happen when you work within a closed system of linguistics. You must stay within the closed system to find a answer. In this case a system of words, chasing words, to find more words to support your premise. Round and round we go, where it stops, no one really knows.
Conceptually speaking about Concepts ends up with naught but more Conceptions and Concepts are Concepts it is but a Conceptualization of your Concept.
Notice in Concepts there is no test of Truth for the premise! It is sheer guessing. Life and Death are but Concepts as there is no way to prove either one to be true. I exist therefore I am, does not make it so.
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