| Sep 11, 2008 @ 1:10 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Biblical advocates as well as those who hold other faiths in other holy books are forever touting the prophecy aspect of their respective holy books. The current mess in the middle east is centered around the interpretations of writings written thousands of years ago. I took an archaeology class many years ago, but what really hits home to me about what a monumental task archaeologists have is what I do every day for a living.
I'm a TV photojournalist and I often arrive at the scene of events such as car crashes, murders and fires, sometimes a few minutes or hours after the event happened. Finding the "objective" truth becomes near impossible as when you look at the scene, it can appear very different than what you might think it should look like. Witnesses are not reliable as their memory is limited by their perspective and emotion and police and other authorities have their own agendas.
That said, it comes to the attention of any thinking person, that if it's that difficult to find the objective truth on an event that happened minutes ago, how much more difficult is it to decypher what happened 100 or 2000 years ago? The Kennedy assassinations will forever be debated on conspiracy vs. lone assassin and that was only 45 years ago. So, how sensible is it, armed with this type of logic is it to continue the mess of war and strife in the middle east and other places based on the interpretations of writings from people who lived thousands of years ago?
How do you REALLY know that what you're buying into as "prophecy" wasn't in fact written AFTER the fact and SOLD to a gullible public as "prophecy"?
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| Sep 11, 2008 @ 1:29 PM |
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yashaenka
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The simply honest answer is you don't, the best we can do is verify the sources of the source and his master [as in religion] validity. When I went after my Graduates Degree in Theology after living in Asia for almost two decades it was a good thing that I was in excellent physical condition or I would have blown a gasket.
Theology in this country and other Western Democratic nations leans on Greek history so heavily that it slants in all the major Universities Monotheisms spin over that of other Living Philosophies. That is why I went after a graduate degree in Philosophy next with a Oriental ism sub that I wrote my Thesis on.
I still remember a Professor who was spinning the belief systems of the Greeks when I ask him about the Greek Taoist Heraclitus and how he refused to answer my question about the Greek belief system not being holistic.
Archeology suffers from the same thing in that one must question ones affiliations to see why they make certain interpretations.
In all cases what has been handed down to us ipso facto about Monotheism, Polytheism and Living Philosophies IS hearsay. This applies to the Buddhas, Jesus and even Lao Tzu words.
What we have is an Interpretation of their words based solely on hearsay and it pains me greatly to say that but facts are facts and one cannot hide from the facts. History has been rewritten so many times from translations that are based on translations the only thing you can do is your own search for truth then go with what intuitively rings true within
you.
Of course my words will incite Christians and self proclaimed Buddhist Masters alike....  Bring it on time to eat hearsay... 
[Edited on 9/11/2008 1:38 PM]
[Edited on 9/11/2008 1:39 PM]
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| Sep 11, 2008 @ 2:07 PM |
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hammertime
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I'm a TV photojournalist and I often arrive at the scene of events such as car crashes, murders and fires, sometimes a few minutes or hours after the event happened. Finding the "objective" truth becomes near impossible as when you look at the scene, it can appear very different than what you might think it should look like. Witnesses are not reliable as their memory is limited by their perspective and emotion and police and other authorities have their own agendas. This really sums up the truth about witnesses. That is why many defense attorneys keep delaying trial to not only buy time for a better defense but witnesses over time forget things and if its a murder trial or some other felony all you need is "reasonable" doubt to get a client off. But you are talking about REAL things. With religion, "it is written" is all that matters and there are no reasonable doubts because there is no reason nor any doubt.
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| Sep 11, 2008 @ 3:03 PM |
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yashaenka
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Factoid the last thing any prosecutor wants to do is go to trail based on a eye witness or witnesses. Take 10 people at the scene and you get 10 differing versions of what occurred. If that is the only thing a prosecutors has they will try and try again to plea bargain.
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| Jun 15, 2009 @ 8:46 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Another one for newcomers.
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| Jun 15, 2009 @ 8:47 PM |
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Jankia
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Another one for newcomers. No...somebody didnt incite anyone again with his attempt to be objective using only his own misaligned truths...so he tried again. 
Witnesses are not reliable as their memory is limited by their perspective and emotion and police and other authorities have their own agendas. Police and other authorities have witnesses immediatly go on record with a recorded statement.
That would be part of there own "agenda".
Of course my words will incite Christians and self proclaimed Buddhist Masters alike.... Bring it on time to eat hearsay Of course thats what you were hoping.
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| Jun 16, 2009 @ 3:35 AM |
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Thor1960303
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No...somebody didnt incite anyone again with his attempt to be objective using only his own misaligned truths...so he tried again
Well, Janika, this post is over a year old and we have at least 5 or 6 more on thse forums who weren't around for it the first time around. I just thought I would offer what I think is a good subject and one that deserves an intellectual look at from belivers and non believers alike. Why should it incite anyone? We have folks here educated from both perspectives and there's material for a good debate in there.\
Why should it really bother anyone?
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| Jun 16, 2009 @ 8:57 PM |
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Jankia
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Why should it really bother anyone?
Of course..you have no idea, thats why you said this...
Of course my words will incite Christians and self proclaimed Buddhist Masters alike.... Bring it on time to eat hearsay...
OK...nobody was incited the first time you spilled your great personal knowledge so you were hoping some of the new members would.Maybe,like anyone that is impartial, they considered your reflections on "prophecy" far less reliable then prophecy itself because of your personal partiality on the subject.
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| Jun 16, 2009 @ 9:16 PM |
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iam01
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The Kennedy assassinations will forever be debated on conspiracy vs. lone assassin and that was only 45 years ago. So, how sensible is it, armed with this type of logic is it to continue the mess of war and strife in the middle east and other places based on the interpretations of writings from people who lived thousands of years ago? If Kennedy was born of a virgin mother and had a father who few down from another planet wearing with a name tag that said God then we wouldn't be discussing this. We would know exactly what happened because the truth would be taught in a church. Not only that but there would be numerous people who would hear voices of Kennedy telling them just what happened. They might even cut off their own penises as proof of their faith.
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| Jun 17, 2009 @ 12:53 AM |
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southernlass
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How do you REALLY know that what you're buying into as "prophecy" wasn't in fact written AFTER the fact and SOLD to a gullible public as "prophecy"?
There is only one way to know if prophecy is true or not or if one is a prophet as he claims or not. If one is a prophet, the prophecy will come true. If the prophecy is true, it will occur as forecast.
Nostradamas has a record of being accurate. His words happen as he has said they would.
The Bible has a similar accuracy.
It really is quite simple, in reference to end times prophecy particularly. When the jewish temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem and the "world leader" who demands to be worshipped as the one true God within it, begins to perform his signs and wonders, you'll know the Bible spoke the truth; you'll know that Nostradamas spoke the truth. You'll know the Christians told you the truth. Unfortunately, it will be too late for you who did not believe at that point, so this "proof" will avail you nothing.
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| Jun 17, 2009 @ 12:55 AM |
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kjac
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Nostradamus predicted the end of the world in the year 2000.
He missed. Hannah Montana actually came much later.
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| Jun 17, 2009 @ 1:02 AM |
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southernlass
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I must have missed that particular prophecy, Kjac. Have a source for this?
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| Jun 17, 2009 @ 1:11 AM |
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kjac
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I'll have to get back to you on that lass, but I remember because they were making a big stink about it when I was going part time to UTEP.
And of course, nothing happened.
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| Jun 17, 2009 @ 6:24 AM |
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Thor1960303
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There is only one way to know if prophecy is true or not or if one is a prophet as he claims or not. If one is a prophet, the prophecy will come true. If the prophecy is true, it will occur as forecast.
Perhaps you didn't quite understand the gist of my question:
How do you REALLY know that what you're buying into as "prophecy" wasn't in fact written AFTER the fact and SOLD to a gullible public as "prophecy"?
It's very easy to make a "prophecy" after the fact.
The Bible has a similar accuracy.
It's very easy to make a "prophecy" out of a fictional character, and since you have the ancient writings as refference, it's very easy to make the fictional character's "biography" match the ancient writings.
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