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ServantOfChrist2
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Many people besides Christians pratice hospitality. The trait responsible for provoking a person to be hospitable, certainly is not exclusive to those of that particular religion.
Today's devotional in the Daily Bread magazine.
Spare Beds
In 2004, Casey Fenton co-founded a non-profit service that helps travelers find a 'friendlier alternative' to unfriendly hotels. They find home-owners who are willing to offer their spare beds and couches to others.
The group boasts almost a quarter of a million friendships that have been formed through their service. 'The more we network', Fenton said, 'the better chance we have of this world being a better place.'
The service sounds a lot like biblical hospitality. In the final pages of his letter to the Hebrews, the writer instructed Believers to practice their faith in Jesus Christ through hospitality (Heb. 13-2). That was defined by the early Christ-followers as acts of generosity towards strangers.
In the first century, hospitality often included housing a guest. This was hardest to do during a time of persecution. These Believers would not know whether the person was a spy or a fellow Believer being pursued. But by entertaining strangers, the writer said, they could indeed be inviting a blessing into their homes.
As God's people, we are called to be hospitable to others as part of our gratitude for the salvation we have received from God.--Marvin Williams
Lord, grant me a loving heart,
A will to give and share,
A whispered prayer upon my lips
To show I really care. --Brandt
People with a heart for God have heart for people.
Hebrews 13:1-6
"Keep on loving each other as brothers. 2--Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it. 3--Remember those in prison as if you were their fellow prisoners, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering. 4-Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. 5--Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, 'Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you'. (Deut. 31:6) 6--So we say with confidence, 'The Lord is my helper, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?' (Psalm 118:6, 7)
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| Sep 18 @ 9:50 AM |
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hammertime
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Many people besides Christians pratice hospitality. The trait responsible for provoking a person to be hospitable, certainly is not exclusive to those of that particular religion.
So people must be provoked? Why do you think they didn't want to be hospitable? First of all, this is not a trait, its a middle eastern cultural tradition and you won't learn that by reading scripture.
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| Sep 18 @ 10:40 AM |
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16knots
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Bottom line...
"how much?"
...in money and biblical recitations.
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| Sep 18 @ 11:03 AM |
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hammertime
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I don't think SOC "gets it" as he lacks the knowledge of middle eastern culture of the past and present especially where he believes one must be provoked into giving hospitality. That delusion must be from his eternal torment dogma which never existed until Christianity invented. it. He is trying to make a point with this thread but fails to because he doesn't know about customs and traditions. You see, there is the real world and then there is scripture.
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| Sep 18 @ 11:05 AM |
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yashaenka
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4-Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
First of all in those times when this was written there was no marriage as we know it today. In those times women had no rights they simply were the property of men. The girls were given by their father to a man of the fathers choosing. Just as Mary was given to Joseph.
In the 10 Commandments remember that what is written is not laws but rules. In terms of adultery in the 10 Commandments or desiring another's property such as another's wife as chattel property. It was all about keeping the peace between men not for any religious reasons.
If truth be told this # 4 came right out of the Torah.
SOC does not realize that Muslims by their own religious laws must give hospitality even to their sworn enemies. Then as they are leaving if you as a Muslim will attempt to kill them you must warn them before you attack them or you will be breaking you own covenant with Islam.
[Edited on 9/18/2008 11:11 AM]
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| Sep 18 @ 11:46 AM |
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16knots
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Watched an interesting programme the other day, "Locked Up Abroad".
An English born Sikh, origin India, jounalist went into Afghanistan to show the plight of the people. He was the guest of a Tribal group of Pakistanis who were Muslims.
Interesting combination's as they are sworn enemies, Pakistan and India, Muslims and Sikhs.
However, agreements were made and a Prince of the Tribe took the journalist into Afghanistan disguised as a Muslim. Extremely dangerous, all went well until he had to return to the Pakistan Border without visa. He got caught. Despite being an enemy and despite being a Sikh, English and Indian origin, the two guys from the tribe who gave him hospitality refused to leave him to the authorities. So all three were locked up!
They were locked up in horrendous conditions and despite the authorities stating to the tribal guys it isnt your business and you need to go, they both refused to leave their ward. It was a life threatening situation.
Eventually the British government interceded to the Pakistan government and the English guy was deported immediately leaving his two fellow companions behind. He could do nothing for them. They remained locked up for a further five days before they too were released.
Five or six years to the day they met up again, the bond between them in their prison moments brought such depth it was a very emotional reunion as you could imagine.
That's what I would call "hospitality."
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| Sep 18 @ 11:52 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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FUNK & WAGNALLS STANDARD DESK DICTIONARY
Provoke--1. To stir to anger or resentment; irritate; vex. 2. To arouse or stimulate to some action. 3. To stir up or bring about; to provoke a quarrel. 4. To induce or cause; elicit: to provoke a smile.
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| Sep 18 @ 11:55 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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| Sep 18 @ 11:58 AM |
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yashaenka
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Oh great SOC is finally laughing at his own delusions!  
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| Sep 18 @ 12:01 PM |
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SunBabe
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 "inspire" -- how 'bout that word, which is gentler and actually more appropriate (less "confrontational" or "controversial", generally speaking)
I would agree FULLY with this statement:
"The trait responsible for inspiring [or prompting] a person to be hospitable, certainly is not exclusive to those of that particular religion [or any particular religion, even] ." 
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| Sep 18 @ 12:08 PM |
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yashaenka
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In Islam for Muslims there is no trait to be found....there is only the laws that one must abide by to continue to call yourself Muslim.
When Osama claimed credit in a video for 911 he was chastised by the Taliban for breaking the Muslim laws about first warning anyone you declared a Jihad against, something Osama did not do.
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| Sep 18 @ 12:18 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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No, actually Yash, you and your "croonies" provoked me to laugh.
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| Sep 18 @ 12:19 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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You guys try so darned hard to be nasty. 
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| Sep 18 @ 12:27 PM |
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yashaenka
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Nasty is as nasty does within your own mind anyone who voices an opinion you do not agree with is in your mind being nasty to you.
nasty
Etymology:
Middle English
Date:
14th century
1 a: disgustingly filthy b: physically repugnant2: indecent , obscene
Just when has anyone associated these things to you bonehead?
a: disgustingly filthy b: physically repugnant2: indecent , obscene
bonehead
1. a foolish or stupid person; blockhead.
–adjective
2. being of, by, or for a stupid or unthinking person: a bonehead mistake.
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| Sep 18 @ 2:29 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Many people besides Christians pratice hospitality. The trait responsible for provoking a person to be hospitable, certainly is not exclusive to those of that particular religion.
Just wondering how do you provoke a trait?? I thought a trait was something inherent?? 
The act of housing strangers is certainly not exclusive to one religion or group. So many others use this as a way to travel cheaply or to go to school in a foreign land.
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| Sep 18 @ 2:45 PM |
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yashaenka
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Yes the way I learned Russian was by living with a Russian family while studying Russian in a language school. A very positive experience as it allows you to see their culture through their eyes.
I had 4 years of Spanish and other languages in school high school and universities but I never really understood the nuances in any language until I lived for a period of time in their cultures. But even then living with a family is a shortcut to really understanding any culture or language.
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| Sep 18 @ 2:51 PM |
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16knots
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The only thing I learnt in Russia was to evade authority and make borsch and pilmeny.
In Mexico was to evade drug dealers and make enchiladas and reinos.
In the US is understranding English and eating at Mac's and IHops.
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| Sep 18 @ 3:09 PM |
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yashaenka
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Which variety of American English did you learn there are still dialects spoken here where I have no idea what the person really said.
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| Sep 18 @ 3:10 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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| Sep 18 @ 3:15 PM |
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16knots
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Reminded me of IHOP last night. The waiter was a hispanic lad of about 20 years old. He spoke very low and deep and I had a hell of a job understanding him so I thought where does he come from to my party all seated, racking my brain to wonder which part of Mexico as many people are from mexico here on the border, not considering he could be from here and Texan!
He was a true country Texan. No wonder I couldnt understand him. Foreigners try to learn english and they are easier to understand. He was a true Texicano!!! Guttural, low and sure.
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