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ServantOfChrist2
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Many people here discount the stories presented to us from the O.T. These historical recounts are laughed aside by many as nonsense. Many folk think of these stories as fictional stories intended only to frighten.
From this month's InTouch devotional booklet.
"Is our Country On Thin Ice
Romans 2:1-8
The United States was founded on the basis that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are "unalienable rights", endowed by the Creator. In the mid-1990's, the Pledge of Allegiance was ammended to convey a similar idea--that we are 'one nation under God.'
Soon, however, morality in our land took a downward tun, and over the past 50 years, the Founders' vision has become clouded. One indicator is the media--if a citizen in 1950 could have seen some of our current TV programs, he no doubt would have been shocked by the language, dress, and content.
Can the attempt to remove Jesus from the public square have anything to do with our crumbling values? Perhaps. A country that takes prayer out of schools and government meetings can easily drift from Godly ways. We have even debated removing 'In God We Trust' from our currency and 'one nation under God' from the Pledge. What's more, our nation is sometimes so accepting of 'all religions' that Cristians are often persecuted for believing that Jesus is the only way. (John 14:6--"Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' ")
God is Holy, so surely He He doesn't approve of all the actions sanctioned by our laws. Yet He has been patient--and we've been blessed beyond measure. But the Father's patience won't last forever. Nehemiah 9:30--"For many years You were patient with them. By Your Spirit You admonished them through Your prophets. Yet they paid no attention, so you handed them over to the neighbouring peoples.' "
America must repent of its' choice to disregard His precepts.
Have you sat back and allowed unGodly values to infiltrate the land? As citizens, Christians have a responsibility to influence government decisions in the direction of righteousness. Ask for God's guidance as you determine how to stand up for Him."
I don't live in your great country, but that does not negate the truth of this warning.
In many ways, as the U.S.A. goes, so too does Canada.
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| Sep 20 @ 8:57 AM |
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hammertime
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SOC
You never had any college coursework that required research. You, like Bev, lack that education. You have only posted someone else's opinion without showing supporting evidence nor any evidence that supports their opinion which would be far better than your regurgitation of ignorance.
Have you measured abortion rates?
Have you measured murders?
Have you measured divorce rates?
Have you measured
and the list goes on.....
We've already covered this in
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_87_30269_1/Christian_are_hypocrites.html
But maybe for a simple mind its easier to watch a 4 minute video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQi96Fd5o8Q
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| Sep 20 @ 9:12 AM |
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yashaenka
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The pledge of allegiance is not a law of the land anymore than the National Anthem is.
Under God refers to a God referenced too in any language using any word for a label by any recognized Religion within this country. The term God does not refer just to Christianity.
We have a Constitution that has a clause in it that refers to the Separation of Church and State. That is so our Government will not involve itself in Religion and Religions will not involve their selves in our Government. This country is not a Democracy it is a Constitutional Republic, by the people and for the people.
Churches are Institutions that do not speak for American citizens American citizens do. Atheist, agnostics are citizens also and all citizens have a equal right to choose.
In bloody ole England when the king starter the Church of England because the pope in Rome would not grant him a divorce was readily apparent along with various churches influences in Europe as to why the Separation of Church and State Clause was added to our Constitution by our Founders who by the way were Deists who used the OT not Christians.
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| Sep 20 @ 9:33 AM |
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16knots
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 I love the English, such rational people~!!!!
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| Sep 20 @ 9:55 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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My favorite comparion would be the Nethelands - I love the Dutch, they're such pragmatists. All numbers are from the CIA factbook.
NL:
Religion:
Roman Catholic 30%, Dutch Reformed 11%, Calvinist 6%, other Protestant 3%, Muslim 5.8%, other 2.2%, none 42% (2004 survey)
AIDS rate: .2%
Exports: 457 billion US$
Imports: 404 billion US$
US
Religion:Protestant 51.3%, Roman Catholic 23.9%, Mormon 1.7%, other Christian 1.6%, Jewish 1.7%, Buddhist 0.7%, Muslim 0.6%, other or unspecified 2.5%, unaffiliated 12.1%, none 4% (2007 est.)
AIDS: .6%
Exports: 1.1 trillion
Imports: 1.9 trillion
42% without any sort of religious belief at all - premarital sex is accepted and birth control information and supplies are readily available to teens. They have a remarkably low abortion and teenage pregnancy rate, as well as much lower divorce rates - I've googled and posted them before, just don't have patience right now. Seems like being godless isn't necessarily the doom some would claim it to be. Matter of fact, it seems that assuming you know what God wants others to do is a lot more likely to damn you.
[Edited on 9/20/2008 10:01 AM]
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| Sep 20 @ 10:04 AM |
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Blondino
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I in bloody ole England when the king starter the Church of England because the pope in Rome would not grant him a divorce was readily apparent along with various churches influences in Europe as to why the Separation of Church and State Clause was added to our Constitution by our Founders who by the way were Deists who used the OT not Christians.
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/john-knox.html
The Reformation in Scotland was a different matter ,. posted a link if anyone is interested in our scary reformer John Knox .....
still tremple when we hear his name
http://forerunner.com/forerunner/X0525_Bios-_John_Knox.html
[Edited on 9/20/2008 10:09 AM]
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| Sep 20 @ 10:08 AM |
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hammertime
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Heaven
Morality in the world forces religious induced morals to follow, not lead. If that were not so, we would still be burning and hanging witches, torturing people to confess allegiance with Satan and we would likely never have achieved air travel, television, or radio. Its called the moral Zeitgeist. Without religion at all, we probably would have gone to the moon in the 18th century.
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| Sep 20 @ 10:22 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
In the mid-1990's, the Pledge of Allegiance was ammended to convey a similar idea--that we are 'one nation under God.' This post is not only full of sh*t, but very inaccurate.
I remember saying the Pledge of Allegiance when in grade school in the 1950's and "one nation under god" was part of it.
The problem is that our founding fathers did not establish our nation under the christian god. It was designed to allow religious freedom for all. If anything, the christian population of this country, because it is in the majority, changed what this country stood for in the late 40's and early 50's.
If anything, this change to christian values should be held responsible for any decline in America's morality and spirituality.
Again christians like you ignore history and rewrite it to support your needs.
Ignorance! ..... Ignorance! ..... Ignorance! .....
Peace
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| Sep 20 @ 10:28 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Without religion at all, we probably would have gone to the moon in the 18th century. 
Peace
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| Sep 20 @ 10:32 AM |
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Thor1960303
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SoC,
To put it on your level and those who believe as you do: Many religionists are fond of quoting 2nd Chronicles 7:14 as a Biblical "proof" that the USA is being punished for "turning away from God". This is scripturally false, as the OT scripture is referring to Israel in OT times and NOT the US in modern times. This scripture is about a covenant made at THAT time with the nation of Israel and has no relationship to the US or present day and is therefore being taken out of context. That's what I was told in seminary school , by the way, during the early 80's when the Moral Majority was first getting geared up. Falwell was fond of quoting that scripture.
Moreover, it was taught to me that God would not chastise or punish a person who has not made a committment to him. Non Christians are exempt as we're all going to hell anyway. 
USA is NOT a "Christian" nation and it's high time Christians learned that and got over themselves.
If at any time in the history of the US the nation was morally on "thin ice", I would think it would be during it's first inception when the Native Americans were screwed over out of land that was rightfully theirs, or perhaps when the first African slaves were brought over, or maybe during WW 2 when thousands of Japanese Americans were being interred in concentration camps. Those moral "sins" to me seem much more serious and grevious than anything the gay community could do or any "damage" done by abortion or a relaxing of sexual mores. Why does the Christian community get so upset over sexual matters while they seem to ignore the big atrocities? 
[Edited on 9/20/2008 10:38 AM]
[Edited on 9/20/2008 10:38 AM]
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| Sep 20 @ 10:33 AM |
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Blondino
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and got over themselves.  made me laugh
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| Sep 20 @ 10:37 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Is America on thin ice?
No, but Canada will soon be because of christianity's denial that "global warming" is real!
Peace
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| Sep 20 @ 10:38 AM |
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yashaenka
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One Nation Under God'
Published: June 27, 2002
Half a century ago, at the height of anti-Communist fervor, Congress added the words ''under God'' to the Pledge of Allegiance. It was a petty attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets. But after millions of repetitions over the years, the phrase has become part of the backdrop of American life, just like the words ''In God We Trust'' on our coins and ''God bless America'' uttered by presidents at the end of important speeches.
Yesterday, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in California ruled 2 to 1 that those words in the pledge violate the First Amendment, which says that ''Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.'' The majority sided with Michael Newdow, who had complained that his daughter is injured when forced to listen to public school teachers lead students daily in a pledge that includes the assertion that there is a God.
Our own Supreme Court who is the ultimate authority on our constitution has continually held that the Federal Government of America cannot be seen to support religious Theisms. And they point to the Separation of Church and State clause in the Constitution for their rulings...Rightly so...
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| Sep 20 @ 10:45 AM |
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eastham
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Do the authors at InTouch have spell check? Grammar check? An editor? We know they do not have a fact checker.
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is not found in the Constitution. It is part of the Declaration of Independence.
As stated previously, the Pledge of Allegiance is not in the Constitution and until the Supreme Court's ruling on school prayer did not contain the phrase "under God."
And lastly, the US was founded as a secular country by men who were for the most part deists and not orthodox Christians. The bloodshed wrought by established religion was not ancient history to them -- Europe had only just emerged from the 100 Years War. Funnily enough, however, it was this secular approach,which separated Church from State, that allowed a wide variety religious belief to flourish in this country. If we had not had this separation modern evangelicalism would probably have never gotten off the ground.
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| Sep 20 @ 11:15 AM |
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16knots
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 I just love eastham
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| Sep 20 @ 3:55 PM |
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hammertime
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SOC,
You keep making a fool of yourself. What did I say in my post to you above? Do some homework. Stop reading children's books. Learn to Goggle.
I think your faith has turned your brain into jello. You don't use it. You have faith in others who have faith which is why you post things without thinking. Blind leading the blind. That means you are gullible and credulous. That means your delusion of free gifts of wisdom and knowledge from the holy spirit fanatasy that you think you have will always expose you in this way.
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| Sep 20 @ 4:29 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I just love eastham
Me too - well said!
Has anyone noticed that during our secular period, before adding 'under God' to the pledge, we never lost a war...?
What if there is a God, and he doesn't like it when people confuse ethics with religiosity...
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| Sep 20 @ 4:52 PM |
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eastham
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Amen Heaven.
And thank you and knots for your kind words.
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| Sep 20 @ 5:26 PM |
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sealacamp
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You never had any college coursework that required research. You, like Bev, lack that education.
And that would not make a whit of difference as you demonstrate to us regularly. Your supposed wisdom is pure foolishness.
S
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| Sep 20 @ 5:34 PM |
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hammertime
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I must say you both make a nice couple and have passed the fruit inspection.
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