| Sep 24 @ 8:09 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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For ANYONE secure in their own faith or beliefs to constantly admonish anothers belief?? To condemn them or ridicule them?? I have seen so many people get their hackles up when others ask questions sincerely and bite the querents head off instead of trying to answer the questions and share their beliefs...
and also why is there a need for ANYONE to preach to others on a forum for discussion??
We each have our beliefs and NO ONES is like anothers ... no ones... and so much can be learned from others if nothing more than that you do not wish to worship or believe as they do... bashing sucks period.. it closes doors that have taken centuries to open .. in olden times no such discussion took place you were either this religion or that one PERIOD ... if you chose to believe different you were shunned.. that is not how the masters taught .. none of them.. they taught acceptance .. and tolerance for others... I see so many who say they believe one thing then their actions show another  and those whose sole purpose it seems is to tell people they are crazy for their beliefs... to me that shows they are not secure in their own beliefs enough to LET IT GO ... they have to fight CONSTANTLY ... and antagonize others and instigate fights... WHY???
Most of us are here to learn from others to discuss the many questions and thought we have... at least I am..yet some of us let ourselves get drawn in to the nastiness .. WHY??
I have been really trying to ignore the preachers and condemners but it gets hard yanno?? so WHy do I come back time and again?? because amongst the rubble are gems of knowledge ...and that is what i seek .. as knowledge of how others think... and their reasoning for their beliefs.. its so sad that sometimes you have to wade thru the crap and the p[reaching and belittlement to find them
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| Sep 24 @ 9:04 PM |
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BandTMom
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I agree, Becky.
We are adults and most of us are not going to change what we believe based on someone's typed words. Especially when those words are critical and judgmental.
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| Sep 25 @ 8:07 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Becky,
Excellent question.
Let's face it, religious people that are close minded and don't want to hear about different interpretations of their beliefs have many religious sites that they can participate in. Athiests also have many sites where they can share like opinions on religion.
MD with its R&S forum provides an avenue for those people that are interested in learning about other people's beliefs in their own search for the answer to the question "Is there more to life than just being born and dying".
Radicals on the left and right will try to disrupt this type of exchange of ideas because they see the R&S forum as a threat to them. Since no one can prove or disprove anything to do with god, the devil and man written dogma, all religious conversatios usually lead to debate and then once the thread heats up ..... personal attacks. The extremist on both ends of the spectrum are both guilty of this.
I am not against preaching in itself. I am against preaching a dogma or no god stance and insisting it is the only truth while failing to provide anything to support that position. People that fall into this category are the ones that tend to use personal attacks to offset their inability to support their opinions.
The people in the middle trying to protect their rights to freely exchange ideas eventually reach a point where they will respond in-kind. This usually results in the locking of thresds by the MD Mods.
It is a vicious circle and I think the MD Mods have done a great job in trying to control the forums while preserving the rights of people to voice their ideas.
Let's face it, the most heated discussions are always connected with religion or politics. The only thing that may come close would be arguments between avid sports fans.
So to answer your question, everyone has their own unique needs that cause them to post in these forums. The trick is to understand the mix of people you will find in open forums; learn to identify those that are extremists at both ends; and be ready to not only support your opinions but also protect your reputation.
Peace
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| Sep 25 @ 9:10 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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I think it all stems from a poor self-esteem
Some people feel like they can't be seen unless they are standing on someone else.
Some can't feel smart unless they are trying to make someone else out to be stupid
Some can't feel holy unless they are making someone else out to be unholy.
To use religion to degregate others is blasphemy
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| Sep 25 @ 9:44 AM |
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horizon000
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Another Premium Topic....
To all those who commented before me....
There is no need... Those who are confident and secure in what they believe do not need to denergrate other's opinions.
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| Sep 25 @ 9:53 AM |
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pamdemonium
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There is no need... Those who are confident and secure in what they believe do not need to denergrate other's opinions.
What some fail to realize, is they're not going to browbeat anyone into enlightenment.
Religious beliefs hit us in a core place. It's not an issue you care about or not.
It's where we live.
If you're secure, you can give and take. Understanding each other without believing you're going to make someone see the light is what should be happening.
And Beckers...us Catholic school girls...we're in a league of our own.
because amongst the rubble are gems of knowledge ... You're a gem to me, hon.
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| Sep 25 @ 10:10 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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Aww Pammy Ditto .. many times you have brought me back from the brink of being a total ass with a quick  or a short post or sumpin.. thanks 
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| Sep 25 @ 10:11 AM |
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hammertime
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Why is there a need...
For ANYONE secure in their own faith or beliefs to constantly admonish anothers belief??
Perhaps God is telling them to spread the word. Perhaps misery loves company. Perhaps their lives are so vacuous that nothing but scripture fills their lives and that could only mean one thing. Nothing fills their lives. Perhaps they suffer from some obsessive-compulsive disorder like someone who washes their hands fifty times a day. Perhaps their delusions and hallucinations are so vivid and profound they must share their mental illness with the world.
The problem with religious fanatics is they must sell their empty product at all costs.
For example:
You are in a used car lot and the salesman has a Ford for you. You are not interested in the Ford but he keeps pushing the Ford. The Ford is the wrong color, bad on gas, crappy seats and bad tires yet the salesman won't give up. You walk away and now the salesman is following you. You look at an other car and the salesman tells you, you'll get killed in that car. Every car is bad but the Ford. You leave and two days later you're on the lot again. The salesman repeats all his pitches all over again. You heard it all before and now you just want to punch him out. You punch him in the face and his mouth is still going and going and going and at this point you consider the salesmen is either mentally ill, deranged or a robot. You laugh, feel sorry for the idiot and look for a new car dealership.
Well, you're at the new car dealership and the same fvcking salesman is there trying to sell you a Ford. Guess what. There are no Fords on the lot. How sick is that?
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| Sep 25 @ 10:13 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Why is there a need...
For ANYONE secure in their own faith or beliefs to constantly admonish anothers belief?? Well, I think it is the reverse.
There is no need for anyone who is secure.
IMHO
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| Sep 25 @ 10:33 AM |
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horizon000
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Well, you're at the new car dealership and the same fvcking salesman is there trying to sell you a Ford. Guess what. There are no Fords on the lot. How sick is that?
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| Sep 25 @ 10:33 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Truthfully, even trying to see it from the point of view of someone who fully believes that we all need saving, and who genuinely wants to see us all saved, it's pretty much common knowledge to all that you don't win people to your belief by trashing theirs, and certainly not by insulting them.
It's like trying to get someone to break off with a partner they know is bad news for them - the more you trash them, the more they fight to defend them.
But then I'm not a counselor, just an old lady who's lived long enough to have made up her own mind on a whole lot of things based on a lifetime of experience. On the one hand I think Bev and everyone else has a right to post what they want, but on the other hand I'm relieved that this forum seems to be opening up more and become more a forum and less a Bev bashing room...and by the way, I don't blame the bashers - I believe she was inviting it, if not deliberately, certainly subconsciously. Any attention, even negative, is better than none. Again, that's IMHO - I claim no credentials and no training, only my own observations.
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| Sep 25 @ 10:48 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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it's pretty much common knowledge to all that you don't win people to your belief by trashing theirs, and certainly not by insulting them.
you're so smart Heaven More flies with honey than vinegar...
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| Sep 25 @ 10:48 AM |
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hammertime
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At least he's not trying to flog off a Chev.... Do you know what FORD stands for?
f***ed On a Raw Deal..
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| Sep 25 @ 10:56 AM |
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16knots
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People take the threads too seriously. They get too emotionally involved whether that be serious, jovial or whatever.
It is a dating and friendship website.
The regulars here are either wasting their lives away infront of a screen, or snipping in amongst work loads or get in when they can find a break from domestic life.
Personally I have learnt a great deal from every aspect of these threads through the good and the bad.
I think everyone here provides great insight, including those we think are horrors.
Every word, every moment is a learning experience if we wish it to be so.
There is so much to learn with internet social behaviour.
There is so much learn to religious intercourse between varied peoples.
The crux is that this IS a FORUM~! This is a place to debate, trash concept, accept ideas, announce beliefs, denounce religions orvice versa, anything else!?
Anyone who whines need to STOP~! "IF" they dont like it. It has been said time and time again, if you dont like what you see, leave it alone or ignore it, or head it into a new direction, or control it, handle it appropriate to get the results you want.
Even the likes of Bev can be exceptionally agreeable. Anyone but anyone can be controlled and manipulated to be better posting people. It just takes a little fore-thought, a little patiance and mindfullness of wording before your next post.
Bottom line is that dont blame the other postee but yourself. YOU have the say and not they.
Reading between the lines, observing how people interact, reacting specifically to certain aspects, it becomes rather clear, the path of their fears, loves, likes, dislikes, up bringing, moulded thinking, open thinking, ignorance, awarenesses, et cetera.
Everything but everything is an opportunity for learning, IF you take the trouble.
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| Sep 25 @ 11:04 AM |
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yashaenka
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The problem is not any Religion per se it is what the Institutions have turned a belief system into.
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| Sep 25 @ 11:06 AM |
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hammertime
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There is so much learn to religious intercourse between varied peoples. Again with the sexual perversions? Wasn't it enough we heard about didoes and Ted Haggard backward boogie? Now we got to hear about religious intercourse ?
*just kidding, i know what you meant
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| Sep 25 @ 11:15 AM |
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horizon000
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FORD...
First On Race Day...
Fast Open Road Demon....
CHEV..
Can't Handle Effectivly. Vibrates
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| Sep 25 @ 12:47 PM |
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yashaenka
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The Need of Religions as put forth by Institutions is but another form of Attachment that people hope it answers the questions. Why am I here, is there life after death.
It is the unknowable so mortals cling and attach their hopes on a Religions view so at least they have something to cling to and via Blind Faith they hope there is some form of after life as mortals fear death.
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| Sep 25 @ 12:53 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Hmmm...maybe there's a cosmic scorecard, and the more points we score, the better the deal we'll get in the afterlife...like more servants, bigger palaces, more face time with the Big Guy?
Oops, forgot - more virgins for the guys.
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| Sep 25 @ 12:59 PM |
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yashaenka
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Nah the apple of every minds eye is a woman who is a Gourmet cook, a model on his arm, the soul of the family, a loving mother and a whore in the bedroom. Save your 75 vestal virgins for virgins.
But then if you qualify to the above I will be there in a heart beat! 
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