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| Oct 3 @ 9:07 PM |
When the Christ returns, who will believe him?
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Jankia
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 If I knew that I would be what Bandmom frequently has said that I am.
God himself.
I can only suppose it will be a far more distinct happening than what we imagine it might be.A bit more distinct then sitting at home watching it on TV.
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| Oct 3 @ 9:10 PM |
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BandTMom
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If I knew that I would be what Bandmom frequently has said that I am.
God himself.
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| Oct 3 @ 9:15 PM |
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16knots
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 When the time comes that the Messiah is again amoung us we will believe in him or her because just as the world is far different than in the days of Jesus,the second coming will be as well.
There are several issues with this belief. How many "leaders" have second comings?
Then we must answer many significant questions such as where is he now? What is he doing? etc.... The religion itself fails to address fundamental issues.
Look at the whole picture of this world,when Christ returns it will be to save it from ourselves.
It is sad fact that this strikes right at the heart of the problem we face today..... no accountability and responsibility. Christianity fails to address this issue. If it did address these issues then we would have a better world, but we dont because in the wisdom of christianity there is failure in recognising our interrelationshipships and ultimate compassion. This just one issue.
When that time comes I think even those that dont want to believe,wont be able to deny Christ.
If anyone came to the planet to shape man spiritually then he would tell the truth of all that there IS. Wouldnt he? He would tell us this is the way everything workd, this is the ways, hows, whys and wherefores... he would tell us so we may become wiser, happier, spiritual, compassionate, loving, etcetera. Doesnt that make sense?
So, those of us who do follow this path now, this moment in seeking truth would find any "leader" speaking of what we have discovered to be the truth, hence, the second coming of anyone would not be a Christian or anything else but if a label is placed on him then he would simply be a Buddhist.
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| Oct 3 @ 9:53 PM |
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Jankia
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knots- How many "leaders" have second comings? There is only one that can.
Shake your finger all you like Bandmom.
Here I'll give you just one instance...
you said...Why do I picture Jankia with a long gray bread sitting on a throne in a cloud? There are others but you remember them.You really should try to follow your own words on here now and then. 
I never say anything on here that I am afraid of other people quoting
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| Oct 3 @ 9:56 PM |
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BandTMom
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I stand by that statement too.
I shook my finger because I want you to keep me out of your sh*t. I wasn't posting and there was no reason to bring up my name.
Unless...................................................... 
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| Oct 3 @ 10:02 PM |
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16knots
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There is only one that can.
Thats what they all say. So many religions and so many cummings, we shall have a lot to choose from.
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| Oct 3 @ 10:05 PM |
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BandTMom
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*snort
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| Oct 3 @ 10:19 PM |
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Jankia
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Thats what they all say You quoted me and I answered your question...not all did.
I wasn't posting and there was no reason to bring up my name.
Whatever..your on every page of this thread. 
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| Oct 3 @ 10:24 PM |
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BandTMom
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Just keep feeding your fantasy, Jankia. 
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| Oct 3 @ 10:28 PM |
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16knots
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You quoted me and I answered your question...not all did.
Yes, but you stated:
There is only one that can.
which again I can say "thats what they all say."
Really, to say there is a second coming is meaningless. If you go back to what I say:
When the time comes that the Messiah is again amoung us we will believe in him or her because just as the world is far different than in the days of Jesus,the second coming will be as well.
There are several issues with this belief. How many "leaders" have second comings?
Then we must answer many significant questions such as where is he now? What is he doing? etc.... The religion itself fails to address fundamental issues.
Look at the whole picture of this world,when Christ returns it will be to save it from ourselves.
It is sad fact that this strikes right at the heart of the problem we face today..... no accountability and responsibility. Christianity fails to address this issue. If it did address these issues then we would have a better world, but we dont because in the wisdom of christianity there is failure in recognising our interrelationshipships and ultimate compassion. This just one issue.
When that time comes I think even those that dont want to believe,wont be able to deny Christ.
If anyone came to the planet to shape man spiritually then he would tell the truth of all that there IS. Wouldnt he? He would tell us this is the way everything workd, this is the ways, hows, whys and wherefores... he would tell us so we may become wiser, happier, spiritual, compassionate, loving, etcetera. Doesnt that make sense?
So, those of us who do follow this path now, this moment in seeking truth would find any "leader" speaking of what we have discovered to be the truth, hence, the second coming of anyone would not be a Christian or anything else but if a label is placed on him then he would simply be a Buddhist.
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| Oct 4 @ 7:38 AM |
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yashaenka
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 Oh Christ   
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| Oct 4 @ 8:26 AM |
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16knots
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Im waiting for anyone with truthful answers
Isnt it ridiculous, people are waiting in blind faith that everything is okay and someone will save them all.
Bit like someone struggling and drowning in two feet of water and expecting International Rescue to come and save them! Too darn lazy to get up and walk out of the water!
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| Oct 4 @ 8:57 AM |
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BandTMom
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We are the only ones who can "save" ourselves. If we keep waiting for some outside force to do it, we are doomed to repeat it over and over again.
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| Oct 4 @ 9:05 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Let's face it. Jesus being crucified before accomplishing what the messiah of Judaism was prophesised to do, caused those preaching Jesus' being the messiah to create another myth that would allow Jesus to finally accomplish what the messiah should have originally delivered.
In other words, create another bogus myth to cover the fact that Jesus failed to prove himself the messiah. This second myth does not explain when the second coming will be. It doesn't say why it was necessary for god's son to now come twice to accomplish the task. It also fails to explain why god never told his chosen people about a second coming and judgement.
The second coming was included in christian dogma to allow the myth that died with Jesus to resurrect itself. This time with a never ending time frame since the new myth says that only god knows when the second coming will happen.
Did Jesus die for our sins or was Jesus killed to silence his non-Jewish teachings? Was Jesus resurrected from the dead, or was the myth of Jesus being the messiah resurrected by creating another myth.
Peace
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| Oct 4 @ 12:28 PM |
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uncrazy
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Sail,
Good questions that have no answers that hold up to evidence we been offered to this point.
The old churches, Roman and Eastern catholic, have scholars that have knowledge of the Jewish temple rites and rituals and rules of communal living.
Some obvious stressors to the christian dogma actually sit in front of us in the NT...we have been told they mean something else, and now that education in the accepted meaning of the meanings has been successfully divorced from the origins(Jewish temple practices) of our own belief system by bible and church schools and colleges...we get evermore stuck in the fables.
We can clearly see that the fairy tales we tell our children to convey deeper meanings about life are fables and mysterious. They believe them until they learn they are just fables and they replace them with knowledge about what really happened in history. We have no problem seeing them as "babes". If the child as an adult still believed all the fairy tales to be true (because they were written by famous authors and told to us by our parents as real), we would call them childish adults unwilling to grow with knowledge.
When it comes to religious beliefs, we trump our judgement and reason because we were told it is all true because it is written by famous authors and told to us by our churches(parents).
Glaring inconsistencies in the fable stories cannot be looked at. For some the only source of the knowledge and history becomes the bible...all other historical sources are avoided unless they support some aspect of the fable.
I offer some story components of the fables and the corresponding Jewish temple or community practice.
No room at the inn...they had no inns in those days. Jesus was actually born in a house and you can find it in the book.
Magi...these were Magian Essenes(Diaspora Jews) from Ephesus, then Damascus...both in the east.
The Star of David...this was a emblem worn by the David, Joseph the father of Jesus wore the Star of David and guided the wise men (Magians) Diaspora Jews to witness Jesus birth as legal in the House of David.
Jesus was celibate...two marriage ceremonies (betrothal and wedding) are shown for Jesus and Magdalene using ritual from the Song of Solomon...the marriage ceremony specifically for the David kings.
Two thieves and Jesus crucified...Rome didn't crucify for theft...and the Jews if they accused him of saying he was the King of the Jews, would not have tolerated Jesus hung on a middle cross.
The list could go on and on...and the learned christians without knowledge of theology or history will tell me that I am the one who doesn't know what the writings mean. The fables are very important to the "babes"...the stories are easy to sell...children will listen to the same story told to them day after day for months.
The fable keeps the persecuted in the story waiting for a hero to save the damsel or the people with solutions the people are unwilling to implement. In the dogma, we have Jesus doing all the work and we have to go somewhere else for the reward that comes from only believing and requires no action.
It hasn't mattered that Jesus himself said the "kingdom is within" or "all that is required...the dogma trumps Jesus... and he will not be listened too...the priests and ministers will again guide his demise and believers in the mob will call again for his death. Jesus offered the where and how of eternal life...as christians we who should know most about love and forgiveness use judgements to justify withholding our love from all others except for a few.
We can sit under the bed covers and listen to the fable one more time, until we are lulled to sleep.
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| Oct 5 @ 9:09 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Excellent post uncrazy!
The list could go on and on...and the learned christians without knowledge of theology or history will tell me that I am the one who doesn't know what the writings mean. The fables are very important to the "babes"...the stories are easy to sell...children will listen to the same story told to them day after day for months. The funny part is that christians cannot agree on what the scriptures say. With 3,000+ denominations and who knows how many non-demoninational churches, christians just prove that they have no idea what scripture says. Their individual dogma is base on their church elders understanding and teachings ..... not what the scriptures actually say.
Christians fail to accept the FACT that 99.9% of christians must be wrong in their understanding of the writings. Only one of the 3,000+ denominations and non-denominational chruches can be right, which means the rest are wrong.
Peace
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| Oct 5 @ 10:10 AM |
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CPUfan
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Knots, about reincarnation. Isn't the whole cruxifiction story about resurrection? Didn't he come back on the third day, at Easter? That's reincarnation... The whole story is about reincarnation... the resurrection, the doubting Thomas, the ascension...
"In sure and certain knowledge of the resurrection to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, when the sea shall give up her dead..."
So Jesus was resurrected on the third day, that would be reincarnation number one - the second coming?
So wouldn't it be the third coming next time?
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| Oct 5 @ 10:49 AM |
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sail_dancer
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So Jesus was resurrected on the third day, that would be reincarnation number one - the second coming?
So wouldn't it be the third coming next time? There are some christians that do consider the resurection of Jesus to be the second coming but a great majority refuse to see it that way.
Peace
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| Oct 6 @ 10:54 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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Wow Uncrazy every time I read your posts I am amazed  awesome post
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| Oct 6 @ 6:11 PM |
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sealacamp
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Jesus being crucified before accomplishing what the messiah of Judaism was prophesised to do, caused those preaching Jesus' being the messiah to create another myth that would allow Jesus to finally accomplish what the messiah should have originally delivered.
Is that what happened? Or is it just your imagination running wild again? When Christ said "It is finished." That did not mean what He came for wasn't completed. You are so very far away from the truth you delude yourself.
S
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