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iglooo101
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Ahmed Deedat debated many and among them Sjoberg in Stockholm,Sweden.
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| Nov 17, 2008 @ 8:33 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Everyone has ignored this thread and it is a shame since it was a very interesting debate. Deedat did a good job defending his view that the bible is not the word of god but the words of misleaded men. But he did little to substantiate the truths he claims are in the koran.
The Muslims in the audience also proved that they are basically angry people with hatred towards anyone that does not believe as they do. I thought that the Muslim man that wanted Sjoberg to drink poison was way out of line. It shows that Muslim dogma is evil and creates violent followers.
I also watched the debate they had the following night. It was also very interesting. If you have not viewed the videos of the second night, you should.
Debates of this type are like debates between fanatical Star Trek and Star Wars fans on the spiritual messages contained in them. 
Peace
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| Nov 17, 2008 @ 9:10 PM |
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iglooo101
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MIRACLES OF THE QUR'AN - Part 1
MIRACLES OF THE QUR'AN - Part 2
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| Nov 17, 2008 @ 9:25 PM |
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iglooo101
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sail_dancer, Everyone has ignored this thread and it is a shame since it was a very interesting debate. Glad you found it an interesting debate 
Deedat did a good job defending his view that the bible is not the word of god but the words of misleaded men.
But he did little to substantiate the truths he claims are in the koran. The topic of the debate was Is the bible the word of God
I also watched the debate they had the following night. It was also very interesting Did not watch it yet. will search for it
Peace Peace
Salam
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| Nov 18, 2008 @ 12:39 PM |
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iglooo101
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 5:13 PM |
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iglooo101
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Have you ever asked yourself where did prophet Musa pbuh (Moses) first met Allah(God)
Here is the answer
Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai
Google Earth, Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai
Prophet Musa PBUH
Islam
Main article: Islamic view of Moses
See also: Biblical narratives and the Qur'an#Moses (Musa ????)
Moses (Arabic: Musa) is mentioned more in the Qur'an than any other individual and his life is narrated and recounted more than any other prophet recognized in Islam.[85][89] Moses is defined in Quran as both prophet (Nabi) and messenger (Rasul), which means he was one the prophets who brought a scripture and law to his people. He has the status of being one of the Ulu al-azm apostles, that is those apostles who were endowed with special determination, constancy and forbearance in obeying the commands of God. Among prophets, Moses has been described as the one whose career as a messenger of God, lawgiver and leader of his community most closely parallels and foreshadows that of Muhammad.[33]
In the Qur'an, Moses is included in the following passages: 2.49-61, 7.103-160, 10.75-93, 17.101-104, 20.9-97, 26.10-66, 27.7-14, 28.3-46, 40.23-30, 43.46-55, 44.17-31, and 79.15-25.
Most of the key events in Moses' life which are narrated in the Bible are to be found dispersed through the different Surahs of Quran, with a mystic story about meeting Khidr which is not found in the Bible.[18] The Bible and Qur'an have different angles of view. The Bible has focused on Moses and the rescue of Israelites, while the Qur'an emphasized on the relation between Moses and God.[85][46]
The Narratives
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
[28.3] We recite to you from the account of Musa and Firon with truth for people who believe.
[28.7] And We revealed to Musa's mothers, saying: Give him suck, then when you fear for him, cast him into the river and do not fear nor grieve; surely We wi!l bring him back to you and make him one of the apostles.
[28.10] And the heart of Musa's mother was free (from anxiety) she would have almost disclosed it had We not strengthened her heart so that she might be of the believers.
[28.15] And he went into the city at a time of unvigilance on the part of its people, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his party and the other of his foes, and he who was of his party cried out to him for help against him who was of his enemies, so Musa struck him with his fist and killed him. He said: This is on account of the Shaitan's doing; surely he is an enemy, openly leading astray.
[28.18] And he was in the city, fearing, awaiting, when lo! he who had asked his assistance the day before was crying out to him for aid. Musa said to him: You are most surely one erring manifestly.
[28.19] So when he desired to seize him who was an enemy to them both, he said: O Musa! do you intend to kill me as you killed a person yesterday? You desire nothing but that you should be a tyrant in the land, and you do not desire to be of those who act aright.
[28.20] And a man came running from the remotest part of the city. He said: O Musa! surely the chiefs are consulting together to slay you, therefore depart (at once); surely I am of those who wish well to you.
[28.29] So when Musa had fulfilled the term, and he journeyed with his family, he perceived on this side of the mountain a fire. He said to his family: Wait, I have seen a fire, maybe I will bring to you from it some news or a brand of fire, so that you may warm yourselves.
[28.30] And when he came to it, a voice was uttered from the right side of the valley in the blessed spot of the bush, saying: O Musa! surely I am Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
[28.31] And saying: Cast down you staff. So when he saw it in motion as if it were a serpent, he turned back retreating, and did not return. O Musa! come forward and fear not; surely you are of those who are secure;
[28.36] So when Musa came to them with Our clear signs, they said: This is nothing but forged enchantment, and we never heard of it amongst our fathers of old.
[28.37] And Musa said: My Lord knows best who comes with guidance from Him, and whose shall be the good end of the abode; surely the unjust shall not be successful.
[28.38] And Firon said: O chiefs! I do not know of any god for you besides myself; therefore kindle a fire for me, O Haman, for brick, then prepare for me a lofty building so that I may obtain knowledge of Musa's God, and most surely I think him to be one of the liars.
[28.43] And certainly We gave Musa the Book after We had destroyed the former generations, clear arguments for men and a guidance and a mercy, that they may be mindful.
[28.44] And you were not on the western side when We revealed to Musa the commandment, and you were not among the witnesses;
[28.48] But (now) when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: Why is he not given the like of what was given to Musa? What! did they not disbelieve in what Musa was given before? They say: Two magicians backing up each other; and they say: Surely we are unbelievers in all.
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| Nov 20, 2008 @ 12:38 PM |
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Quran Video - Abd Al Basit Abd As Samad - Surah Dhuha (The Brightness) and The Expansion
"The Brightness"
"The Brightness"
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
"93.1": I swear by the early hours of the day,
"93.2": And the night when it covers with darkness.
"93.3": Your Lord has not forsaken you, nor has He become displeased,
"93.4": And surely what comes after is better for you than that which has gone before.
"93.5": And soon will your Lord give you so that you shall be well pleased.
"93.6": Did He not find you an orphan and give you shelter?
"93.7": And find you lost (i.e. unrecognized by men) and guide (them to you)?
"93.8": And find you in want and make you to be free from want?
"93.9": Therefore, as for the orphan, do not oppress (him).
"93.10": And as for him who asks, do not chide (him),
"93.11": And as for the favor of your Lord, do announce (it).
"The Expansion"
"The Expansion"
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
"94.1": Have We not expanded for you your breast,
"94.2": And taken off from you your burden,
"94.3": Which pressed heavily upon your back,
"94.4": And exalted for you your esteem?
"94.5": Surely with difficulty is ease.
"94.6": With difficulty is surely ease.
"94.7": So when you are free, nominate.
"94.8": And make your Lord your exclusive object.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 4:14 PM |
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iglooo101
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 5:19 PM |
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sail_dancer
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The R&S forum is not a blog.
Threads are for discussions and not preaching your dogma.
Maybe if you tried participating in the conversations taking place in the other R&S threads, people might start responding to your thread.
Peace
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 6:46 PM |
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iglooo101
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sail_dancer Threads are for discussions . I agree with your statement 100%
Peace Salam
Peace
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 2:34 PM |
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iglooo101
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 3:08 PM |
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uncrazy
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In looking at some of the videos, it is clear that Deedat knows more of what is said in the bible than most christians. We can only guess at the level of knowledge his study of the Koran has given him.
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 3:32 PM |
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sail_dancer
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uncrazy,
In looking at some of the videos, it is clear that Deedat knows more of what is said in the bible than most christians. We can only guess at the level of knowledge his study of the Koran has given him. I agree with you about Deedat's knowledge of the bible. He obviously reads the bible with an open mind which is not blinded by dogma.
But does he read the Koran with the same open mind? Based on things he presented from the Koran, it is also obvious that he is blinded as much by Islamic dogma as christians are by theirs.
I find it very funny!
If you enjoyed the Deedat videos, you will like these:
Is Jesus God? - Deedat vs Sjoberg
This debate has 30 videos each about 7 min. long.
Enjoy
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 3:34 PM |
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iglooo101
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the koran asks people to question everything
the koran asks people to think of everything and about everything
lots of ayats(passages) asks us to look into ourselves
- how we were built
- how we were designed (the head is round, the brain is on top of everything, fingerprints, no fingerprint is similar to another (to catch criminals), our DNAs, our genes etc...)
I think it is very hard to accept all these designs came at the WAKE of the
Big Bang.
I agree, for argument sake, BUT do you think that all this INTRICATE design happened because of a BIG BANG?
Imagine someone told you the PC you have in front of you was created because of a BIG BANG, what would be the response?
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 3:42 PM |
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iglooo101
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sail_dancer
I agree with you about Deedat's knowledge of the bible.
He obviously reads the bible with an open mind
which is not blinded by dogma.But does he read the Koran with the same open mind? Based on things he presented from the Koran, it is also obvious that he is blinded as much by Islamic dogma as christians are by theirs.
Can a person be "blind" 1 day and "unblind" the following?
Can a person have "an open mind" one day and "does not have an open mind"
the following?
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 3:44 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Iglooo,
I myself believe in a creator. I admit however that that is my belief and it cannot be substantiated.
Scripture was written by men to record their conception of a creator/god. These are ancient myths that cannot be verified. It is dogma designed to control mankind.
Can a person be "blind" 1 day and "unblind" the following?
Can a person have "an open mind" one day and "does not have an open mind"
the following? Sure they can and Deedat proved it.
Peace
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 3:57 PM |
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iglooo101
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sail_dancer,
I myself believe in a creator.
I admit however that that is my belief and it cannot be substantiated.
Scripture was written by men to record their conception of a creator/god.
These are ancient myths that cannot be verified.
It is dogma designed to control mankind.
Peace
Creator:
responsible for the creation of the world.
It makes sense that SOMEBODY is responsible.Nothing happened by itself. Somebody manufactured the PC you are using right now. It did not create itself.
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 7:23 PM |
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uncrazy
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Sail,
But does he read the Koran with the same open mind? Based on things he presented from the Koran, it is also obvious that he is blinded as much by Islamic dogma as christians are by theirs.
The idea you offer on Islamic dogma...with my meager reading of parts of the Koran and no clear personal correlation for how it's guidelines have been implemented in Islamic societies, I will not be able to recognize Islamic dogma.
I am aware that the Satanic verses created quite a stir. I have read the book was considered blasphemous by Muslim, and the fatwa against Rushdie allows the Muslims to kill one of their own in God's name. This may or may not be an example of islamic dogma...we must get feedback from Blondino or Mayak.
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 8:51 PM |
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| Nov 26, 2008 @ 11:09 PM |
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uncrazy
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Iglooo101,
I have viewed some of the Deedat videos, and some of the videos with the scientists on the evolution thread.
I so enjoy listening to men who have taken the time and effort to gather knowledge. These men are craftsmen. It is sad that with the edcuation systems currently in place we produce so few learned men and women.
I also must say that I would listen as attentively to to a learned rabbi, clergy, swami, shaman, or buddhist. I have an old respect for knowledge and they men have information that helps me live better among them all.
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