| Nov 19, 2008 @ 11:27 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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I was discussing a post on here with my sis in law this morning and I told her that you cannot have one without the other...its a necessity of life to keep us safe a way for us to filter out that which would harm us. And it kinda makes sense .. well to me it does.. Okay I'll explain if I can.. going through life we learn to like and dislike things and most times the things we dislike there is a good reason for doing so.. example.. different types of food... some we like and others we have and instant dislike for them and many times the ones we dislike could do us harm in some manner... like um spoiled milk.. in one instance milk can be so refreshing and good for you but let it turn and the resulting glop is horrid and will cause you to vomit or suffer with stomach problems.. kinda like a bad dose of dogma  .. another example is friendship.. some are built on love and are up lifting those freinds bolster you when you are down . they are there for you and care what happens to you.. others are toxic and will bring you down to a base level ..and the only reason most people keep in a toxic friendship is outta some guilt put upon them by others that you must love them even tho they are harming you. Now say you have friend who you love and you thought loved you... and they either hurt you or your children.. would not the essence of hate of their actions be a good thing ?? It would keep you and your children safe if you heeded it, and distanced yourself and your children from them?? Hate can be a warning sign for many things to keep us safe... its a God given gift called reason that creates both hate and love.. and to ignore that is to toss that gift back at God and say nahh I dont need it .. when you do that you chose walk blindly through life not heeding the warnings .. kinda like walking down a dark alley and not being able to sense the thugs waiting in the dark shadows ready to do you harm... with the gift of reasoning your senses can feel the danger and you can avoid or deal with those who would do you harm. But the thing is you cannot have LOVE without HATE there MUST be a balance or both loose their essence. I would love to hear others thoughts on this and oh please can we keep the preaching to a minimal?? Just YOUR PERSONAL feelings on this not some church's rhetoric posted ad nauseum k??Thanks
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 11:50 AM |
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bevrice
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Becky, hate and anger are destructive emotions, as is unforgiveness. They only hurt the person who carries them around.
Wisdom is what keeps you safe from danger and dangerous things. God gives you wisdom. You can love and not hate. Love is intensified in those who love and don't hate, you know.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 12:16 PM |
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iam01
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beckyiv42000
You might be mistaking hate with fear. Fear keeps you from doing things that are unsafe. You should have some fear of heights when walking on a mountain side however fear should not control you. Also, hate is not the opposite of love. Indifference is the opposite of love. That is why you can love and hate the same thing, same person at once but you can not love or hate if you are indifferent.
In the dogma of psychopaths we must realize "love" is not a good thing. In the mind of a psychopath, one can kill someone they love or even as an act to express love such as carrying out a genocide or a murder of one's own son or the stoning of one's children. The word "Love" needs to be experienced in a healthy state of mind free from such dogma else its really something insane and dangerous.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 12:28 PM |
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bevrice
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Forget all that stuff hammer is spouting, becky.
I am thanking you for reminding me of something. I used the word hate in my love the sinner and hate the sin line.
Hate is a word that my mother never let us use. It is a strong word. It can do no one any good. I should have used dislike or not like.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 12:49 PM |
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yashaenka
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Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. What Taoist call polar opposites for one cannot exist without the other.
But polar opposites are not just two things at extremest to one another for at their mid point their forms something other a confluence of the two in perfect harmony.
Reach that mid point and you will find you center that place of harmony within you that only you can find and only you can realize it from your own direct experience.
Any manifestation of this from any other, or outside source just provides you a false and delusional reality by any name. If you do not get it from self, where ever will you find it?
Why go outside of yourself for answers, when all answers for self reside within you?
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 12:56 PM |
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bevrice
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Yash, no wonder buddhism is so confused, you are embracing the constructive as we as the destructive.
You know you reap what you sow. If you sow love and embrace love, then you will reap love and love will embrace you.
Why would you embrace that which can only hurt you or others?
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:03 PM |
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yashaenka
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Bev your an idiot who has memory loss I have told you at least 12 times I am not a Buddhist so shove your opinion.
Put on your glasses you did not read the words, no you assumed what I said without reading the words that I wrote.
If you take what I wrote and convert it into your convoluted mind to mean the trash you just wrote I can only pity you because that means you cannot even reason, logic is beyond you.
Personally I think you are one sick puppy in need of a lot of help in an institution.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:37 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Forget all that stuff hammer is spouting, becky. Bev PLEASE refrain from telling me what to do or how to think or who to listen to .. for your mindset is so warped and closed you have no right telling anyone what to do think or believe ..YOU dear Bev are NOT GOD get that through your head
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:37 PM |
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bevrice
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Searching inside yourself IS a buddhist answer, you know, yash.
All we find when we do that is OURSELF and self is the center of Satan's kingdom. Christians are told to put away ourselves.
We have a saviour who cried from the cross, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
That is our example, yash and it is not one of HATE.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:41 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Yash, no wonder buddhism is so confused, you are embracing the constructive as we as the destructive.
You know you reap what you sow. If you sow love and embrace love, then you will reap love and love will embrace you.
Why would you embrace that which can only hurt you or others?
okay the first line is gibberish makes no dang sense at all 
the last two lines .. how would you be able to tell what LOVE is if there was not hate to discern the difference?? Hate is a necessary emotion otherwise the meaning of LOVE is lost
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:41 PM |
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yashaenka
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All we find when we do that is OURSELF and self is the center of Satan's kingdom. Christians are told to put away ourselves. JC God all muddy. You sure do a great job of putting your self away. 
Yes love and hate are polar opposites you need one to reflect on the other. Try to define what love is and you end up finding it is easier to define what hate is not! 
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:46 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Bev I requested NO preaching yet you cannot refrain from doing so can you??
BTW God did NOT create man with satan at its core or self as you are saying.. well unless YOUR God is a twisted being who enjoys tormenting his creations...
Think on this BEV ... if we search inside ourself to find God or a higher power what is wrong with that .. did not Jesus say that God is in in us all?? so now you are condemning someone for searching for God in themselves .. unbelievable
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 1:53 PM |
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yashaenka
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Well by her message you must accept Jesus on the outside of yourself before you let him/it into yourself. Incredible!!!!!
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:16 PM |
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iam01
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Christians are told to put away ourselves. Bev is absolutely right and the best places for those kind of Christians to put themselves are sanatoriums and mental institutions to sort things out , get properly medicated and get a better grip on reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJI9xDUYV8
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:20 PM |
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bevrice
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I won't answer that, yash, becky wants to keep that out of this, you know.
Becky, that theory is about as real as an elephant riding on a flea's back.
That is like saying, if I never have been burned and I stick my hand in the fire, I won't know that pain.
Or, like saying, if I have never murdered anyone, giving birth won't mean as much to me.
Don't you know why a first love is always so special? It is because no one has ever hurt you before in love, not because you knew hate, but because it is the first time you have felt that way, and you sure don't have to have hate to know when that hits you.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:23 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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BEV WTF are you on about now?? are you jumbling your answers intentionally to try to skip over things that are posed to you that you cannot answer??Or did you just show that yes again you have no clue how to answer because you dont have the rhetoric answer memorized yet ??  
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:28 PM |
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yashaenka
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She cannot grasp what polar opposites are nor what Concepts are such as; she was ignorant of what hate was when she first fell in love.
I get the ignorant part, must be time for her meds.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:34 PM |
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bevrice
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Lol, Becky, you and Yash and iam do hate very well. You don't have to worry. I don't have to answer things that were intended as insults. I was answering your thread.
You said you wanted no Christian thoughts on here.
Sure I know what polar opposites are yash. So I have do die to know what life is......polar opposite.
So, I would have to be an atheist to believe truly in God...... polar opposite.
Come on, that stuff doesn't hold water.
It is NEVER right to hate.
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:34 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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I am just wondering if she is out on a day pass.. just baffles me tho how she types with that little white jacket on tho 
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| Nov 19, 2008 @ 2:35 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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you are embracing the constructive as we as the destructive
Does 'to everything its season' ring a bell here? A time to reap, a time to sow, even a time to kill?
the only reason most people keep in a toxic friendship is outta some guilt put upon them by others that you must love them even tho they are harming you. Now say you have friend who you love and you thought loved you... and they either hurt you or your children.. would not the essence of hate of their actions be a good thing ??
Beck, there's no reason to 'hate' here...when you find someone in your life bringing out the worst in you, you know you need distance. Hate hurts nobody but yourself. You do occasionally make me wonder about that 'air' and 'fire' stuff though - you're a lot more fiery than I am. What I'm thinking of is my reaction to people whose attitudes I'd consider to be toxic, as you said. I literally feel as if they're infecting me, so I need to distance myself from the source of infection (and figuratively wash my hands of them). When I find myself turning really biatchy, I know it's time to get out of Dodge but I don't think of it as hate. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. Caring about someone, either positively or negatively, gives them power over you, and that's the last thing you want to give to someone like that.
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