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iam01
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# Ask a non-believer why they hate God. Do this several times before going to the next topic.
# Tell a non-believer that if there's no God then we just might as well go out and rape, steal, kill people.
# Insist that there is a God because the Bible says so and science has no answers.
# Tell them that the universe is too complex to "just exist" and was created by a God who "just exists."
# Tell the intelligent atheist who doesn't want to convert, "Well, you might be smarter than I am, but I know I'm right."
# Accuse the non-believer of persecuting you even if he's being nice.
# Use arguments that make no sense and then say "You just don't understand."
# Use the Second Law of Thermodynamics to disprove evolution.
# Copiously cut and paste text from Christian websites and never follow up on them.
# When someone asks you a question respond by posting scripture as the answer.
# Say that the Constitution of the United States is based on the Ten Commandments.
# Insist the non-believer explain how the universe got here, the earth and all the animals by chance alone.
# Cite Kent Hovind as a legitimate source of information and call him Dr Hovind.
# Tell the non-believer you know God exists. You have given proof many times already so you don't need to post it again.
# Refer to atheism is religious belief based on faith.
# After losing an argument say, "I pity you and will pray for your soul."
# Accuse them of ignoring the obvious truth.
# Claim you have wisdom because the Holy Spirit is inside you. When you are accused of saying unintelligent things, respond by saying they don't understand because they reject the Holy Spirit.
# Explain that the bible is not wrong about Pi, that God is the inventor of math.
# Say there are two kinds of people in the world. Those that love Jesus Christ and those that don't and those that don't are going to hell.
# Call all other religions myths that worship false gods but only yours is real.
# Stop in the middle of a conversation and say "Just a moment, the Lord is telling me something". Wait a few moments and say "Thank you Jesus" several times and then resume the conversation like nothing happened.
# When given a Bible verse that looks bad just say that's not what it means.
# When meeting strangers for the first time at a party or in the street ask them if they accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
# Argue that the Bible stories are all true and written by God.
# When you meet an atheist, insist he hates God.
# Say your faith is not blind because you depend on scripture as guidance.
# Accuse easy going, live and let live type Christians of being luke warm.
# Blame everything wrong in society on evolution, atheism, ACLU, and homosexuals.
# If a plane crashes killing 300 people but one little girl survives say it was a miracle by God.
# Say "Amen" whenever any Christian says anything no matter what.
# Explain that since you found Jesus that you no longer need to employ either knowledge or logic in your life
# Declare the non-believer always quotes the Bible out of context.
# Tell them only a Christian can understand the Bible because they are guided by the Holy Spirit
# Ask him how he can know God isn't real if he can't even see the air.
# Talk about how you used to be a miserable, sinning, drug abusing, alcoholic, sex addicted, spouse beating criminal until you found God.
# To avoid a debate, change the subject or complain about militant atheists trying to destroy your religion.
# Insist that a person who makes Christianity look bad is not a true Christian or just simply say a Christian would never do that.
# refer to science as a religion and takes more faith to believe than it does to believe Jesus rose from the dead.
# Claim that archaeology proves the Bible is correct.
# Refer to Ron Wyatt as an archeologist.
# Memorize lots of logical terms in order to prove that logic does not work.
# Say the Bible proves Jesus actually existed because scripture describes many witnesses.
# Explain that Christians do not base their belief on thinking or feeling but base their belief on faith.
# Insist you are not using circular reasoning and then quote scripture to prove you are right.
# Declare that Christianity has done lots of good in the world and all the mass murdering, tortures and witch hunts are all in the past.
# When asked if you would sacrifice your own child for God, respond by saying "God would never ask me to do that."
# Say God answers all prayers and sometimes the answer is no.
[Edited on 4/5/2009 8:44 AM]
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iam01
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# Say Christians aren't perfect but guaranteed to go to heaven.
# Tell the non-believer that he can't love anyone because he doesn't love God.
# Claim that Einstein was a Christian.
# Claim that Darwin recanted evolution on his deathbed.
# Say that evolution is only a theory therefore the Bible is correct.
# Tell the non-believer it's his responsibility to prove that God doesn't exist.
# Ask what he believes in if he doesn't believe in God.
# Claim that Buddha's last words were "Jesus, forgive me."
# Treat whatever a non-believer says as lies because he is possessed by Satan.
# Say Hitler was not a Christian and was an atheist.
# Claim that Jesus is the God based on the Old Testament and then say that the Old Testament has nothing to do with the New Covenant.
# Include cosmology and abiogenesis when discussing evolution.
# Explain no one can have morals if they don't believe in God.
# Insist that homosexuality is a choice.
# Insist that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian.
# Insist you are not religious but are having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
# Accuse the non-believer of being closed-minded for not accepting the proofs written in the Holy Bible.
# Tell him that the fossils in the earth are the Devil's work.
# If a Christian says God spoke to them, get very angry if a non-believer calls it a hallucination.
[Edited on 4/5/2009 8:48 AM]
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| Apr 5 @ 8:47 AM |
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Cynbaby
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I take it then your not going to Church on Palm Sunday Iam 
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| Apr 5 @ 8:48 AM |
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uab_5
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You're so full of SHIT!
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iam01
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 Where did you think I learned all that?
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| Apr 5 @ 8:55 AM |
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uab_5
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I think your a hateful little prick who got a wedgie from someone claiming to be Christian back in 9th grade.
Go suicide
It's obvious you're miserable.
All you do is persecute those who remotely disagree with you.
Here's a suggestion:
Take a circular saw to forehead so you'll make an ugly corpse! 
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| Apr 5 @ 9:02 AM |
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trish123
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How nice to see that Im not alone 
Brilliant sumary Iam 
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| Apr 5 @ 9:03 AM |
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iam01
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uab
Thats excellent. I see you are applying what appears to be
# After losing an argument say, "I pity you and will pray for your soul." and
# Accuse the non-believer of persecuting you even if he's being nice.
But I would like to include your comments in the Crash Course, you'll get royalties of course.
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| Apr 5 @ 9:17 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Great post Iam! 
You posted:# Refer to atheism is religious belief based on faith.
As Don Hirschberg once said:"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Peace
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| Apr 5 @ 10:18 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Uab,
Your colorful comments do not belong in these threads.
You posted:You're so full of SHIT! andI think your a hateful little prick who got a wedgie from someone claiming to be Christian back in 9th grade. andGo suicide andHere's a suggestion:
Take a circular saw to forehead so you'll make an ugly corpse!
What exactly is it in Iam's OP that actually gets your goat up?
Is it that he is lying about what christians tend to say and do?
Or is it that Iam speaks the truth and his OP accurately presents christian traits and you have no rebuttal that would not have you use one of his examples?
Based on your prior posts, it is obvious that you have a more open mind than most christians and you are not shy about agreeing with some of the shortcomings of christianity. The OP does not totally fit all christians, but I don't think there are any christians that have not used or said at least one of Iam's long list of examples.
If you have never done or said things contained on the list, other christians probably would not consider you christian. So why are you so upest? Many of us that stand against christian dogma, also cherish some of its teachings but refuse to call ourselves christians simply because of the truthful presentation of christianity presented in the OP.
The trick is to be strong in your personal beliefs while recognizing that the things presented in the OP about christians are true and strive to refrain from becoming a christian that would use these tactics to force your beliefs on others.
Whatever your beliefs, I think most of the non-believers respect a person's right to believe in what they choose. The problem is when tactics as presented in the OP are use to spread christian dogma. If christians have the right to preach with the intent to convert, non-believers have the right to resist such actions and present the other side of the coin.
Peace
[Edited on 4/5/2009 10:29 AM]
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| Apr 5 @ 10:26 AM |
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iam01
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What exactly is it in Iam's OP that actually gets your goat up?
I believe Uab was making contributions to the OP and testing out the lesson plan for evaluation. I think it substantiates the lesson plan very well. If someone was to memorize even a third of those lines they would be very convincing. Of course, improvising is very good too once you get the hang of it you can come up with new lines. Some people have a natural talent, others need a little help memorizing some lines. This Crash Course will help them do that.
Hopefully there will be others offering their contributions..I could always refine the lesson plan and make it more effective. The more input I get, the better.
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Jankia
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My pleasure...
You may be a fundy atheist if....
You became an atheist when you were 10 years old, based on ideas of God that you learned in Sunday School. Your ideas about God haven't changed since.
You think that the primary aim of an omnibenevolent God is for people to have FUN.
You believe that extra drippy ice-cream is a logical proof against the existence of God, because an omniscient God would know how to stop the ice-cream from being extra drippy, an omnipotent God would have the ability to stop the ice-cream from being extra drippy, and by golly, an omnibenevolent God wouldn't want your ice-cream to be extra drippy.
Although you've memorized a half a dozen proofs that He doesn't exist, you still think you're God's gift to the ignorant masses.
You believe the astronomical size of the universe somehow disproves God, as if God needed a tiny universe in order to exist.
You think questions like, "Can God create a rock so big that He cannot lift it?" and, "Can God will Himself out of existence?" are perfect examples of how to disprove God's omnipotence and ultimately how to disprove God. When someone proves to you the false logic behind the questions (i.e. pitting God's omnipotence against itself), you desperately try to defend the questions, but then give up and go to a different Christian site to ask them.
Related to the above, you spend a great deal of your spare time writing to Christian websites asking them these very questions.
You declare on a public forum that you are "furious at God for not existing."
You spend hours arguing that a-theism actually means "without a belief in God " and not just " belief that there is no god" as if this is a meaningful distinction in real life.
You consistently deny the existence of God because you personally have never seen him but you reject out of hand personal testimony from theists who claim to have experienced God as a reality in their lives.
You can make the existence of pink unicorns the center-piece of a philosophical critique.
You insist that "the burden of proof is on he that alleges/accuses", and "it's impossible to prove a negative", then state "That's what Christians do. They lie. Their most common lie is that they were once atheists." When reminded about the burden of proof bit, you reply with, "Well, prove Christians don't lie!"
You adamantly believe that the "God of the gaps" idea is an essential tenet of orthodox Christian faith espoused by all the great Christian thinkers throughout history.
When you were a child, someone came down with a deadly disease and prayed and prayed for God to take it away. God did not remove the disease and your friend died. You ask other Christians why they had to die when they were such a nice person and never harmed anyone. Dissatisfied with their answers, you suddenly decide that there is no God and that all Christians are nothing but lying, conniving con artists and hypocrites....all that is except for your friend who died.
You call a view held by less than ten percent of the American public "common sense".
You're a spoiled fifteen year old boy who lives in the suburbs and you go into a chat room to declare that, "I know there is no God because no loving God would allow anyone to suffer as much as I...hold on. My cell phone's ringing."
You attack your fellow atheists, who hold the "belief that there is no god", calling them "liars," and state that, "I do not deny the existence of any god. I just don't believe in any." Then you tell someone that their God is "made up." When someone calls you on this, you state, "I never made such a claim."
Going with the definition of "without a belief in God", you insist that all people are born atheists, and that dogs, cats, rocks, and trees are as well. You make statements like, "My dog is an atheist. Ask him about his lack of belief."
You believe that if something cannot be touched, seen, heard, or measured in some way, then it must not exist, yet you fail to see the irony of your calling Christians "narrow-minded".
You say that there is no God and that those who believe in God do so in blind faith, yet your claim that there is no God also rests on blind faith.
While you don't believe in God, you feel justified on bashing God or attacking those who believe in something that you KNOW doesn't exist, fighting against or even discussing about a non-existent being are the symptoms of mental illness!
You complain when Christians appeal to their emotions when justifying their belief in God yet you feel justified on appealing to your emotions for lack of belief in God.
You blame God for the starvation, sickness, pain and suffering in the world...when, indeed, it is MAN's greed, politics, selfishness and apathy that not only causes, but also ignores the sick and the starving masses. We aren't our brothers' keepers....but we should be.
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| Apr 5 @ 11:18 AM |
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Jankia
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Origins
You may be a fundy atheist if....
You believe that planes, computers, calculators, compasses, etc, were "all obviously designed," yet the human body, being intricately more complex was "obviously a product of biological evolution." It seems the more complex the apparatus, the more obvious the "fact" that it was not designed.
You claim that evolution and the big bang are two entirely separate theories that explain different aspects of the universe, yet, in what school of learning can you find any real separation or distinction between the two?
As a member of the Skeptic's Society you pride yourself on being skeptical of extraordinary claims. You also pride yourself on silencing everyone who is skeptical of the extraordinary claims of evolution.
Isaac Newton does not count as an example of a great scientist who believed in the Bible since he died before the Origin of Species was published.
When you watch a punt returner run a 93 yard touchdown, you marvel at what evolution has done for the human race. But when someone gets cancer, you blame God for it.
When you're discussing the origin of the world, the phrase "uncaused cause(God)" is a stupid, meaningless thing to say. You will, however, settle for "uncaused effect(the world without God)".
You descended from apes.(Think about it.)
You think that humans are products of chance but when it comes to human reason we can believe in logic! (Think about it !)
You think you arrived at your position because you are a free-thinker who rationally weighed the evidence, and then freely chose atheism over theism. YET, you also believe that your thinking and actions are nothing more than the FIXED reactions of the atoms in your brain that are governed by the Laws of Chemistry and Physics.
You love to castigate Christians for being "anti-science" if they deny evolution from goo to you via the zoo, and to preach that they should adapt their thinking to the "science" of our day. But you also castigate the Church of 400 years ago for being anti-science, when it DID adapt its thinking to the science of ITS day, i.e. Ptolemaic cosmology, then joined with the Aristotelian scientists of the universities in rejecting Galileo!
You think that some guy named "Dr Dino" with no scientific credentials represents mainstream Evangelical thinking and scholarship about evolution and creation, and thus by spending inordinate amounts of time attacking him you are somehow dismantling the arguments of scholarly dissenters from evolution, creationists with earned Ph. D.s in science, and of advocates of intelligent design.
You claim poker-faced that "social Darwinism" and its spawn of eugenics have absolutely no connection to the biological theories propounded by Charles Darwin in "On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"
You have recently stuck a Darwin fish on your car in the hopes the people with the Jesus fish on theirs will be offended.
You also claim that not only is there no connection between Darwin's theories and the doctrines of social Darwinism and eugenics (despite the fact that the term eugenics was coined and advocated by Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, who acknowledged his debt to Origin), but that none of these philosophical positions have any connection to the modern fields of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology.
You can claim with as straight face on sites like Talk Origins that "Evolution does not have moral consequences" despite the fact that prominent evolutionary advocates like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett vehemently assert that evolution does transcend biology in a way that has a profound effects upon ethics.
When the Pope says that God may have used evolution, he is an enlightened religious leader whom Christians should listen to. When the Pope preaches on the sanctity of human life from conception, and thus denounces abortion, he's just a senile religious bigot who should keep his opinions to himself.
Concerning the origins of life, you feel that though the chances of life forming without an intelligent creator are small it DID indeed happen that way. And yet you don't believe me when a rock, coming from my direction, hits you in the back of the head and I tell you, "I didn't throw it. There was a sudden shift in the earth's gravitational pull and the rock levitated into your head...Sure the chances are small but it DID happen that way."
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| Apr 5 @ 11:20 AM |
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Jankia
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When you're shown that your view of origins is silly, you can only respond, "Well...at least it's better than believing in some invisible SKY DADDY!"
When a Christian points out the impossibility of a biological system (or feature) forming by pure chance you accuse them of invoking a "God of the gaps". YET, when you are asked how a particular feature could come about solely by chance you invoke "Evolution of the gaps" (i.e., we don't know HOW but we do know that Evolution MUST have done it!)
You claim antibiotic-resistant bacteria is proof protozoa evolved into a person.
You insist that science is completely partial to all ideas, is not dogmatic and researches all possibilities -- except creationism and/or intelligent design.
You claim Creationists don't research on evolution websites before debating against it. Luckily you caught this useful weapon against Christians at the evolution site you learned all about creation doctrine from.
You think that every scientist who believes in Creationism and doesn't mindlessly accept evolution as a fact is a "kook," but you believe that Francis Crick (Nobel Prize winning co-discoverer of DNA), who reached into his nether regions and pulled out the "theory" of Directed Panspermia (which states with absolutely no support that aliens seeded the earth with life - see the movie "Mission to Mars"), is a great evolutionist scientist.
When a creationist points out problems with the evolutionist model you claim that the whole point of science is to answer problems like these. But if you can point out even one problem in the creationist model it should instantly be abandoned as absurd.
You are a person who absolutely believes that life came from nonlife, yet absolutely deny the possibility of anyone rising from the dead.
You won't bet $10 on the football game because a 50/50 chance isn't good enough, but you have no problem gambling with your life on the nearly impossible odds of a cell randomly generating from nothing.
Engaging the "slippery slope" fallacy, you think you can invalidate the whole bible by discrediting Genesis, since 'the whole bible either stands together or falls apart'. However, when a Creationist tries to invalidate the whole doctrine of naturalistic evolution by exposing the sheer improbability and lack of evidence of abiogenesis, you note this point as 'irrelevant'.
You think the movie "Inherit the Wind" best describes the eternal struggle of how an evolutionist is being treated by creationists in this religious society. And you can personally relate your life to the Scopes Monkey Trial.
You ignore "Time Magazine's" poll, which states that only 28% of Americans believe in evolution. But of course, "Time Magazine" must been run by creationists.
You teach a belief only held by 28% of a nation, as truth beyond any shadow of a doubt because only educated people believe in evolution. Yet of course, you ignore that fully educated scientists in most other nations have proven against Darwinian theory. Like the Chinese paleontologist who reportedly says: "In China we can criticize Darwin but not the government. In America you can criticize the government but not Darwin."
You think man evolved from monkeys but get mad when somebody calls you one.
You think that if schools teach the Intelligent Design theory of creation,they should also teach the "stork theory" of where babies come from.
You demand that Christians study advanced evolutionary biology before making claims about natural selection. You then claim that their theological ideas, which you have never examined before, are pure nonsense.
On the other hand, you demand that Christians who have NOT studied evolutionary biology ought to go ahead and publicly commit to arguments about it, because you want to trap or embarrass them with your own knowledge of the subject, which is limited to quoting Gould and Futuyama.
You claim that the 'God' mentioned by Albert Einstein and Steven Hawkings is nature and that they were atheists, then claim that you have no religion, which is defined by the dictionary as "Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe."
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Jankia
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History
You may be a fundy atheist if....
Any scholar who believes in a historical Jesus must be a theist. If they are an atheist, then they must secretly want to be a theist.
You insist that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", then claim that Jesus never existed.
You contend that no war in history has ever been created by non-belief. Yet, when you are told that 176 million people lost their lives in wars during the last century, created by non-believers like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Hitler, to name only a few, you reply that those wars fought were fought in the name of ideology and not 'atheism' as atheists "…don't fly planes into buildings or start wars."
You accept (and quote back to Christians) any number of works that say Jesus wasn't the Son of God and call them "honest", "thought-provoking" and 'scholarly" proof, even when they completely contradict each other and come to completely different conclusions.
You think it's entirely possible for documents dated to the 10th century to have been forged in the 14th. (Used of Tacitus once.)
You believe that when our forefathers are framing the Constitution, they're staunch deists, but when they're beating their slaves, they're Bible-believing Christians.
You think that the Declaration of Independence is unconstitutional because it mentions "the creator".
On, that basis, You think that the Declaration is therefore void and the United States should return to British rule.
When it is returned to British rule, you plan to go straight to London and tell those Brits that having the Anglican church as a state church violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
When you use a historical point to prove Christianity is false (i.e., pagan parallel to Christianity), history is objective truth. When a Christian uses real historical scholarship to prove you false, history was written by subjective men and therefore cannot be trusted.
You reject what Cornelius Tacitus wrote about Jesus, dismissing it as "too late", but you readily accept what he wrote about Tiberius and Augustus.
100+ year old scholarship is good enough for you.
You think Bolshevik Revolution leader Leon Trotsky was a far better person than Mother Theresa.
You apparently think the first century AD was in the Stone Age, since you refer to Christianity as "Stone Age beliefs".
When Christians tell you that The Bible is inerrant you go on and list a bunch of "contradictions"; when the Christian shows to you that those are not contradictions but the result of taking things out of context you list more "contradictions" when the Christian does the same with those you complain that he/she is just making stuff up and/or that the answer the Christian gives you are not "satisfactory" and proceed of course to list more "contradictions".
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Jankia
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You like to complain about the wars and killings found in the Bible and like to claim that this is some sort of proof to conclude that it is not The Word of God. When the Christian points out that the Bible is about reality and that it exposes humanity and all what comes with it, you complain that it is nonsense and that no good God would allow for that to happen. You would then just claim that it is too perfect and not true.
You like to list contradictions to Christians like if you some how pretend that Christians are not aware of them or that they are igorant about their own religion.
You evidently think that slaughtering 6,000,000 Jews is no different from using sugar in your porridge,since whenever someone points out that Hitler's actions show him to VERY UN-Christian,you exclaim "No true Scotsman uses sugar in his porridge!"
You think historians Michael Grant and Robin Lane Fox are "religious nutcases" for believing Jesus existed.
You refuse to use the word "excruciating" because of its origins in describing the agonies of crucifixion. (ex crucis - "from the cross")
When a Christian tells you that in order to fully understand The Word of God you need to open up your heart and allow The Bible to speak to you and to read The Bible by placing confidence in God, you say that the Bible is just a book and that why you don't have to do the same with Harry Potter.
You always refer to C.S. Lewis as "that traitor."
You desperately wish that Stalin and Mao hadn't been atheists.
You absolutely insist a Christian recognize your nonscholar as an expert (G. A. Wells) but refuse to recognize his legitimate scholar as expert (Colin Hemer).
You not only spell "God" with a lower case "g," but you also add an "E" to "B.C.," and replace the word "Christ" with an "x." Yet, when asked to name the planets you have no problem with spouting out the appropriate list of Roman Gods. Heck, you'll even spell them with capital letters! Not only that, you can even spell and pronounce the name of the 800-mile-diameter Trans-Neptunian Object 'Quaoar', and are delighted that it comes from the creation mythology of the Tongva people (aka the San Gabrielino Native Americans).
In addition, you say that terms like "AD", "BC" and "christmas" (as opposed to "winter holiday season" :D ) are medieval, outdated, bigoted poison and must be eliminated at all costs from the world, yet the fact that our months and days are largely named after Roman, viking etc. figures (eg. Janus - January, Thor - Thursday) is a glowing testimony to the diverse and wonderful nature of human history
You think that religious wars have killed more people than any other kind of war, even though the largest wars of the last 200 years (World War I and II, Civil War, etc.) had no discernable religious causes.
You think that the Spanish Inquisition killed millions (or at least hundreds of thousands), even though the population of all of Spain at the time of the Inquisition was only about five million, and the actual total killed numbers about 2000. When informed of this, you accuse the informer of belittling or being insensitive to the deaths of 2000 individuals.
You bring up the alleged 'horrors' of the Spanish Inquisition to show how evil the church is. When shown that the SI was not the horror that it was painted to be, you switch gears and ask if the believer notes this because they think people are justified to feel moral revulsion with the Spanish Inquisition as it is commonly understood.
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Jankia
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In a coffee table conversation you hear religion represented in a positive light. You immediately start preaching about the Inquisition and the Crusades to put things back on track. After all, "we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door".
You believe that Christians burned down the Great Library of Alexandria. When you learn that this was impossible, you assert that it is obvious that Christians did burn a lot of ancient books. When you are shown that this too is false, you wait a while, then make the same claim again, hoping that the person who corrected you with the facts won't notice.
You desperately confer with other skeptics to try and refute the evidence that Hitler's Holocaust was evolution-inspired, because, darn it, you just GOTTA prove that Hitler was a Christian.
You're convinced, despite evidence to the contrary, that Christianity was responsible for the Jewish holocaust because, dang it, that just SEEMS like something Christians would do.
You believe that Hitler claiming to be a Christian is undeniable proof that he was a Christian, while George Washington only claimed to be a Christian in order to win the people's favor.
You adamantly refuse to recognise the historical fact that "scientific atheism" was both a foundational philosophical position and an actual policy of the Soviet Union from the time of Lenin on, responsible for untold persecution, torture, suffering, humiliation and death far in excess of the numbers of the "victims" of Christianity.
On the other hand you further show your ignorance of history by constantly repeating "whoppers" about the numbers of victims of Christian Inquisitions, crusades and witchhunts dredged up from various unscholarly hate sites and passed off as historical fact.
For example...you can claim with a poker face that 9 MILLION women were put to death as witches by Christian fanatics in pre-Enlightenment Europe.
You assert that the 300 Protestants put to death under the reign of "Bloody Mary" in 16th century England stand as absolute proof of the inherent evil of Christianity but the tens upon tens of millions killed by Marxist regimes under Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot in the 20th century have absolutely NOTHING to do with the profound atheism inherent in these regimes.
You really believe that the Enlightenment made people more enlightened.
You think that Robert Green Ingersoll and Joseph McCabe are two of the greatest philosophers of religion ever to have lived - certainly far superior to nobodies like Thomas Aquinas or Blaise Pascal.
Indeed you believe that McCabe is "One of the giants of not only English Atheism, but world Atheism". [which could be construed as a slight on the intellectual quality of atheism].
You adhere to a false and fictionalised version of history gained from watching Hollywood movies such as Inherit the Wind so that you can (for example) conclude: "the controversy over creation and evolution was settled way back in 1925, when Clarence Darrow eviscerated William Jennings Bryan in a country courtroom in Dayton, Tennessee."
You think that Pope Leo X may have really called Christ a fable, because it's "the type of thing he would say," but you deny that God could have said what the Bible attributes to Him because it is recorded by "anonymous" witnesses.
You've never understood why merely uttering the phrase "Christian America" is not considered to be a declaration of treason against the "TRUE" United States of America.
You think there's more evidence for the existence of Wonder Woman than for Jesus.
You complain about desecrating the Koran while holding a burning Bible.
You think religion is "the original war crime".
You think the Ku Klux Klan and the Christian Identity movement are representative of "mainstream" Christianity.
You think serial killer Dennis "BTK" Rader is a "model Christian" and Olympic Park/abortion clinic bomber Eric Rudolph is a "good Christian boy". Anyone who argues otherwise is committing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
You believe that "if it weren't for the U.S. Constitution, Christian leaders would be burning women at the stake."
You continually argue that Hitler was a "real Christian" even when he and his fellow Nazis were slaughtering millions of people (and you "conveniently" ignore the very obvious distinction between someone claiming to be a Christian and someone actually living as a Christian, and the fact that the Nuremberg prosecutors denounced Nazism as fanatically ANTI-Christian!), but you deny that the scientists who rejected Galileo's work were real scientists.
You insist that the historical data is too sparse to know anything about the ancient world, but you then proceed to tell us what 'actually happened' anyway.
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| Apr 5 @ 11:25 AM |
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Jankia
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The whole crash course
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| Apr 5 @ 11:40 AM |
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Jankia just used the following: # Copiously cut and paste text from Christian websites and never follow up on them. to express his frustration about the OP. Notice that he used anothers words to express his frustration and made a massive C&P to take this thread off topic.
The topic is "CRASH COURSE: HOW-TO BE A CHRISTIAN" not "You may be a fundy atheist if...."
Please stay on topic. If you wish to discuss "You may be a fundy atheist if....", I suggest you start your own thread. I'm sure the "fundy atheists" you are attacking will participate and present good arguments as to why you and the author are just grasping at straws. Non-believers (unlike christians) will respond with well thought out, supported posts.
Peace
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the material posted in this thread are opinions or reflections that are the sole respnsibility of the person posting (even if they aren't especially cheerful on this lovely sunday morning )
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