| Apr 12 @ 4:46 PM |
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iam01
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I notice a lot of people saying they believe in God, with a capital "G" including those who worship a different god they call God. I don't understand the capital "G" because that implies a proper name, not a noun. I mean, I don't refer to my BMW as a Car but BMW gets capitals because thats the name of the manufacturer. Get it? Calling my car Car is ridiculous unless I gave it a personal name Car. Thats like calling a dog Dog or cat Cat. Religious people can sure be ridiculous.
People do a lot of work describing who and what their god is. Even if its the same god, everyone has a different personal twist to their description. Especially what they're doing is creating god in their own image and likeness. Lets talk about likeness because if you're a prick so is the god you worship.
The god of Abraham was obviously invented by a bunch of nasty war mongering pricks which is why that god had no problem telling Abraham to murder his own son. These people would have no problem killing their own sons so it was no big deal to invent a psychopath god to give them a divine right. This nasty god later tells the rest of his followers to kill everyone who works on their day off and to kill neighbors who worship another god. Such insane gods should never have children because they only wind up killing them or having someone else kill them in a blood sacrifice. Sound familiar?
If you are a kind and compassionate person chances are the god you worship will also be kind and compassionate. There is a pattern. A highly intelligent person who is also compassionate will have a god that is expressed in such a way appeals to the intellect. Gods are made in your image and likeness. That being so, a stupid individual will have a stupid image of their god and we see a lot of that going on.
They say you can't judge a book by its cover but you can judge a god by their worshipers either as a group or individually and visa versa. Reading some scripture can clue you into the pinheads that follow it. It gets messy because people try to synchronize their insanities. Thats not easy. There are over 30,000 such attempts in Christianity alone.
Beware of the psychopath who hears voices from a psychopath god. Beware of someone who reads scripture to get answers about what they should do and not do. These are not people who are very bright who can think for themselves. They openly admit they turn of their minds where logic and knowledge is concerned. They admit they are stupid enough to follow orders from their own psychotic experiences. Some examples are throwing rocks at women.
Examining them, their beliefs, their gods, their delusions reveals the minds of intellectual pinheads and mindless bio-robots who respond in script-like regurgitations. You will see few thinking and analyzing much of anything. They are a threat to society and the examples are becoming more apparent in every aspect of life.
So I think its best for anyone who proclaims a belief in some imaginary and supernatural force they call "God" to qualify exactly what they mean. It it a generic god for those on a budget? Is it a mass produced god dispensed by lots of distributors? is it a custom made god for a proper fit only for your head? You could have a designer god to impress your friends or an economical god to impress those with more modest means. Whatever floats your boat. Make sure you read the warning label before purchasing and thoroughly check the warranty.
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| Apr 12 @ 5:26 PM |
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Peabianjay
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Just a comment on a singular fallacy: that the transitive property of imagery is reversable. That man was made in God's image, does not imply that God is the image of man.
Take a cylinder. Photograph it from the side and again from the top.
Two images. One is a circle. One is a square.
These two images ('man'), of the same cylinder ('god') appear to be completely different, at odds with one another.
But one cannot use the two images to disprove the existance of God.
In fact, the differences between the two images are necessary in fully understanding God.
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| Apr 12 @ 5:36 PM |
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Peabianjay
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I'm having fun with this analogy....so, I'm gonna take it further.
The question has now become not "Which god do you worship?", but rather "What perspective do you have on God?"
All gods are simply different viewpoints of the same God.
Similar perspectives (different size circles & ovals) might be collected under a singular "umbrella". Christianity, for example. Each distinct interpretation & perspective being protestant, anglican, etc.
Significantly different perspectives (squares & rectangles) might be the various faiths under Allah.
Mankind is limitted in it's understanding & perspective....we each see one small part, but, in the end, there is only one God.
[Edited on 4/12/2009 5:42 PM]
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| Apr 12 @ 5:52 PM |
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MrPaul
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Mankind is limitted in it's understanding & perspective....we each see one small part, but, in the end, there is only one God So true......But that is beyond some peoples comprehension  
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| Apr 12 @ 6:02 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Take a cylinder. Photograph it from the side and again from the top.
Two images. One is a circle. One is a square.
These two images ('man'), of the same cylinder ('god') appear to be completely different, at odds with one another.
But one cannot use the two images to disprove the existance of God.
In fact, the differences between the two images are necessary in fully understanding God. I don't think many people will agrue with your statement. The problem is that most of us are not trying to prove that some sort of all powerful force doesn't exist. The word god when capitapized reflects the christian or jewish god (even muslims have named their god). Most other religions have specific names for their gods. How is anyone to express their disbelief in the desert god of the christians and jews?
Iam is fairly accurate with his statement above. Man will create in his mind or adopt a god that is more in his likeness. This does not necessarily refer to mans' physical makeup. A violent man will worship a violent god. A peaceful man would not worship the same god, but a peaceful one.
Christianity has blended so many pagan religions into its dogma that their god can be viewed in many ways good/bad, violent/peaceful, etc. The reason for this is that mankind created the desert god in his many varrying likenesses.
Peace
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| Apr 12 @ 6:06 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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MrPaul said:
Mankind is limitted in it's understanding & perspective....we each see one small part, but, in the end, there is only one God.
Yep, the three blind men and the elephant. The Hindus use avatars to try to identify some of the different 'perspectives' they have of the supreme universal deity they honor...for me, I think we're all part of the Creator/Creation/Universe - and he/she/it is of course, part of us. Even Jeffrey Dahmer, Somali pirates, and everyone/everything else on this planet and everything else that exists, living and dead. Energy's indestructible - it can be changed but not destroyed.
I worship the one god/God/Creation/Universe.
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| Apr 12 @ 6:26 PM |
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sealacamp
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The god of Abraham was obviously invented by a bunch of nasty war mongering pricks which is why that god had no problem telling Abraham to murder his own son.
There is only one God whether or not you believe it is another issue entirely. Abraham was tested and God told him to withhold his hand not to murder anyone. So you are misleading others again but not surprising since your entire view is warped and skewed. I'm sure sail will enjoy a twisted conversation with you though.
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| Apr 12 @ 6:42 PM |
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Peabianjay
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The reason for this is that mankind created the desert god in his many varrying likenesses. Created? Perhaps.
Perceived, no doubt.
Christianity has blended so many pagan religions into its dogma that their god can be viewed in many ways good/bad, violent/peaceful, etc. Indeed. Is that a bad thing? Taking the evidence (circles & squares) and attempting to construct an understanding of the whole (cylinder) seems like a sensible thing to do.
In fact, The Bible itself includes many different accounts, different perspectives, which argues that, yes, we should attempt to integrate the parts into singular whole. But, that whole, from our tragically mortal perspective may not appear to be consistant or logical, but only because we are limitted.
So, sure....our personal perspective of God is strongly influenced by the person we are. The person we are....created by God! So, again, God's plan seems to be to allow for multiple perspectives, knowing, that no one man can possibly comprehend God, but all the pieces of the puzzle are there, for us to understand what we can.
Complicating the issue, are those that bear false witness. "I saw a triangle!" which leads many to investigate & study possible aspects of God, which are entirely fabricated. How do we sort it all out? Good question.
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| Apr 12 @ 7:28 PM |
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jamminjerry
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finally!! i have rarely had a rebuttal for I< jam because he? is almost always right but, is there any other way to express my concept that my God is supreme? my God is the "I AM" as quoted many times by the pseudos that have no idea who they speak of. I AM, find me two greater words to describe your god!!!! find me 2 greater words to describe your concept of what is and shall be and even what was. if it wasn't, will it matter? if it isn't, will it matter, if it shall never be, it does not matter. my approach to the holy roller game is of course the same. if it don't matter, it won't matter. nuff said. we be jammin 
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| Apr 13 @ 5:29 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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MrPaul said:
Mankind is limitted in it's understanding & perspective....we each see one small part, but, in the end, there is only one God.
Oops - MrPaul agreed, but PB&J said it.
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| Apr 13 @ 6:06 AM |
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eyesofastranger
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I will continue to capitalise God as a genuine personified creation of men. I will also capitalise Jesus for the same reason. Jesus's words have much to teach. To stop there would go against everything the words say. Learn more fron Confucius and Socrates and and and....any man who has freed his mind from dogma and ego. In refering to the One he/she/it as Heaven put it. I use the word creator with no capital.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:21 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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The god of Abraham was obviously invented by a bunch of nasty war mongering pricks
perhaps subverted would be a better word?
subvert - overthrow: cause the downfall of; of rulers; "The Czar was overthrown"; "subvert the ruling class"
subvert - corrupt: corrupt morally or by intemperance or sensuality; "debauch the young people with wine and women"; "Socrates was accused of corrupting young men"; "Do school counselors subvert young children?"; "corrupt the morals"
subvert - sabotage: destroy property or hinder normal operations; "The Resistance sabotaged railroad operations during the war"
subvert - destroy completely; "we must not let our civil liberties be subverted by the current crisis"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
subversion - corruption: destroying someone's (or some group's) honesty or loyalty; undermining moral integrity; "corruption of a minor"; "the big city's ...
subversion - the act of subverting; as overthrowing or destroying a legally constituted government
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
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| Apr 13 @ 11:29 AM |
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iam01
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A subversion implies a conspiracy. Either way its still a creation/invention made by minds that are barbaric, tribal and primitive. They would not have the capacity to dream up an all loving, all forgiving, all compassionate god. Its just not the kind of god they required for the times they were living in. Human sacrifice even of one's own son is not too much to ask for and we see the re-appearance of this same kind of primitive mentally in the blood sacrifice of Jesus to a fictitious god. And I say fictitious because no supreme power of love, compassion and forgiving would have required such a barbaric spectacle. In my mind, this is the kind of god I would dream up if I were so inclined.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:32 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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They would not have the capacity to dream up an all loving, all forgiving, all compassionate god.
exactly why there is a god...(or God...)
what these men did with the message is no worse than what you are trying to do with it...it is just two extremes... 
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| Apr 13 @ 11:35 AM |
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iam01
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The gods people invent are a reflection of their own inner selves and in too many cases, their inflated egos. You don't find psychopaths dreaming up loving and compassionate gods and you don't find loving and compassionate people dreaming up psychopathic gods.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:38 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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psychopaths
need god more than....
loving and compassionate people
but you think."as a man"..that you can cure a psychopath with logic....
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| Apr 13 @ 11:40 AM |
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Peabianjay
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iam01: The gods people invent are a reflection of their own inner selves... So, then....those that fail to "invent" a god, have no inner self.
Noted.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:41 AM |
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iam01
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psychopaths need psychiatric treatment and probably imprisonment away from society. Its the most loving thing we can do for them.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:44 AM |
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iam01
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So, then....those that fail to "invent" a god, have no inner self. No, but they might lack an imagination and rely on off the shelf gods that they have an affinity to. Some have no clue what they want and so are told what to want. We see a great deal of the pathetic manipulated in this way by people like Falwell, Robertson, Benny Hinn, Popoff,etc...
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| Apr 13 @ 11:47 AM |
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Peabianjay
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iam01: No, but they might lack an imagination and rely on off the shelf gods that they have an affinity to So, which are you? Lacking imagination, lacking inner self, or making use of an "off the shelf" god? Just curious.
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