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yashaenka
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Which Jesus is your Jesus 
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| Apr 28 @ 12:40 PM |
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Thor1960303
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My personal favorite is Mildew Jesus.
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| Apr 28 @ 4:40 PM |
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MasterZemus
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I choose cosmic Jesus!
Churchianity is a Daeva worshipping religion like any other and they so worship a dead man. Oh you forgot Imaginal Jesus  .
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| Apr 28 @ 4:42 PM |
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iam01
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This my favorite Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLUwmJOo_M
  
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| Apr 28 @ 7:05 PM |
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jamminjerry
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of course mine is the red letter Jesus.  we be jammin
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| Apr 28 @ 7:28 PM |
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Peabianjay
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Since you asked...
My fave
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| Apr 28 @ 7:32 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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I believe I'm on the same page as Jerry. (But apparently I'm not too jammin'.  )
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| Apr 28 @ 7:54 PM |
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Thor1960303
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OK PBJ, you've converted me, you got the real Jesus.
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| Apr 28 @ 10:16 PM |
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southernlass
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Not to spoil the humor intended by your topic, but there is only one Jesus Christ. There is no cosmic Jesus, no self-created, draw-up-your-own-version Jesus. There is one and only one. He is willing to reveal Himself to you if you desire Him to with a sincere heart.
John 14:16 Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies."
Christ's disciples, more than others, should keep their minds quiet, when everything else is unquiet. Here is the remedy against this trouble of mind, Believe. By believing in Christ as the Mediator between God and man, we gain comfort. The happiness of heaven is spoken of as in a father's house. There are many mansions, for there are many sons to be brought to glory. Mansions are lasting dwellings. Christ will be the Finisher of that of which he is the Author or Beginner; if he have prepared the place for us, he will prepare us for it. Christ is the sinner's Way to the Father and to heaven, in his person as God manifest in the flesh, in his atoning sacrifice, and as our Advocate. He is the Truth, as fulfilling all the prophecies of a Saviour; believing which, sinners come by him the Way. He is the Life, by whose life-giving Spirit the dead in sin are quickened. Nor can any man draw nigh God as a Father, who is not quickened by Him as the Life, and taught by Him as the Truth, to come by Him as the Way. By Christ, as the Way, our prayers go to God, and his blessings come to us; this is the Way that leads to rest, the good old Way. He is the Resurrection and the Life. All that saw Christ by faith, saw the Father in Him. In the light of Christ's doctrine, they saw God as the Father of lights; and in Christ's miracles, they saw God as the God of power. The holiness of God shone in the spotless purity of Christ's life. We are to believe the revelation of God to man in Christ; for the works of the Redeemer show forth his own glory, and God in him.
http://bible.cc/john/14-6.htm
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| Apr 28 @ 11:00 PM |
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uncrazy
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John 14:16 Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
This quote allows christians to have a certain understanding of these words. As there were no christians in Jesus time(he was not one either, contrary to later church suggestion), only Jews involved in a schismatic action from a long powerful religious movement have a history that appears in the NT. These word attributted to Jesus didn't have modern christian meanings...they had meanings related to the Jews an the temple system of education and missionary outreach into the diaspora.
The "way" was a a term used to describe a deacon who served as a minister to the laity. As the David was the head of all the laity and when spoken of as the "Name" he was acting to give proselytes converting to Judaism a Jewish name. There are references to a living David(the Name) findable in both Acts and Revelations.
The "truth" was a presbyter similiar to a local priest of a local congregation.
The "life" was a bishop level over a number of separate congregations.
When Jesus used these three terms he was saying he spoke out of the knowledge and authority of these positions in the temple system. The words that follow the 16th verse are the ones of import...verse 16 only announces the level of authority for what he says next.
I would remind that the words Jesus Christ convey that the meaning of a "christ" as understood as correct understanding by today's christians is not what it meant in Jesus's day. A "christ" was "the anointed", in his culture he was the David king heir, and when he reached the age of 36 he would have went through an anointing ceremony. The bible clearly shows this happenning in the marriage ceremony of the David kings for marriage performed by the Magdalene. The ceremony comes out of the Song of Solomon, and reflected the older Sumerian, Babylonian, and Egyptian ceremonies where a man could not rise to kingship unless he had a royal bride through which he could produce an heir.
All kings and pharoahs have been anointed...even the modern kings are enthroned with rituals using sacred oils...thus all can be called "christs".
The phrase "Jesus the Christ" would show that we have basic understandings of word use and their meanings.
I know only a little, but much more than in the time I was told that my own church would be the only teller of the approved and accepted story because they announced their authority in front of it. I was to ignore that all the other churches told their congregants the same thing...they were wrong...and in our wisdom and great hearts we would just allow them to be wrong. We were only full of ourselves. Our wisdom were the only "pearls" and they were nothing but "pigs" we tolerated because we judged them ignorant.
We got the pearls and pigs metaphor...still working on the dogs and crumbs.
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| Apr 28 @ 11:27 PM |
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southernlass
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Well, that's all very nice, Uncrazy, and an interesting OPINION on biblical history. My post before yours still stands.
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| Apr 28 @ 11:32 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Acts 9:1-- "Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples. He went to the high priest 2--and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem."
Acts 24:14--"However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets. 15--and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16--So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man."
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| Apr 28 @ 11:52 PM |
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uncrazy
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SL,
Any of my information is available to you and has been for some 200 years or more.
It seems that your declaring it only opinion creates a safe place for you. When you C&P to offer proofs of correct position the one thing that does not follow is any explanation that indicated an understanding of what you have used. The idea that real christians will know correctly know what your C&Ps mean say is a duck...especially when so many claim the discernment of the spirit.
I can also easily C&P, but much more is required to present information on the meaning of content offered and its history.
Ask some of your clergy about my offerings...there are some good ones.
And thank you for your decision to allow us to be wrong...a gratious position to take toward us...though the warning that we will have our way for only a short while longer was a bit dire, it does well contain your contempt for us outside your group of saved people.
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| Apr 29 @ 12:29 AM |
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southernlass
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SL,
Any of my information is available to you and has been for some 200 years or more.
It seems that your declaring it only opinion creates a safe place for you. When you C&P to offer proofs of correct position the one thing that does not follow is any explanation that indicated an understanding of what you have used. The idea that real christians will know correctly know what your C&Ps mean say is a duck...especially when so many claim the discernment of the spirit.
It's not "real Christians" I'm attempting to be clear with, Uncrazy. Real Christians don't need any explanations for the things I say or copy and paste because they already know them as truth via their Bible. When I claim something, I can normally back it up with my Bible or via a reputable, Bible-based source.
I can also easily C&P, but much more is required to present information on the meaning of content offered and its history.
Ask some of your clergy about my offerings...there are some good ones.
I hope you won't be offended by my words here, Uncrazy, but I feel that I don't need a history lesson to know Jesus and know that He is the only real Jesus. I don't think the Christians here do either. I'm of the opinion that those who are truly open to Christianity won't need a history lesson either. History is interesting certainly, but when it is offered to misrepresent who Jesus Christ is, or what is necessary for salvation, etc., belief in God, then it becomes trickery and an attempt to confuse. This is my opinion despite knowing you disagree.
And thank you for your decision to allow us to be wrong...a gratious position to take toward us...though the warning that we will have our way for only a short while longer was a bit dire, it does well contain your contempt for us outside your group of saved people.
I feel no contempt for the majority of those utilizing this forum, but do admit to great contempt for those who attempt to deceive others, who intentionally twist and manipulate the words of the Bible, who engage in nearly constant personal attacks, who attempt to defame the very foundation of Christian beliefs.
Suffice it to say that I believe the actions of those that twist and manipulate basic Christian beliefs in order to confuse and turn people away from Jesus Christ/God are contemptable. This doesn't mean that I don't care about what may become of these people, nor does it mean that I don't pray for them, nor does it mean that I have no genuine sorrow for them. I care in that I have compassion and even empathy, but I also find their behavior to be worthy of contempt.
[Edited on 4/29/2009 12:42 AM]
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| Apr 29 @ 12:34 AM |
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uncrazy
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SOC,
It may be a bit troubling to you to discover the person who is being named in your bolded words the Way.
As Balaam's ass identifies a person, so the the term "the Way".
"I truly know that your offering is heartfelt to be true, but as the 4 gospels, Acts, and Revelations are written in a parable format, a second story sits below its surface.
I have seen you truly suffer that you cannot offer the proof of contemporary writings to the time of Jesus when it sits in the very books you pour over, but is unseeable because of what your beliefs disable you to see.
While my writings are just consider "opinion" by some, I have found that the gospels were extant as early as 37AD for the first one and all had been mostly completed by 67AD. A first reference for them all being read in a community of converted Jews and gentiles was in 70AD. I can also offer that the gospel of Mark was read in Latin that day.
And I didn't find this external to your book...I found it within your book. Have you ever considered why a church or it memebers claiming truth would label a researcher like me a heretic or enemy of the church or its people?
I'm an ox not worth goring.
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| Apr 29 @ 6:32 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Thank you for remaining steadfast in your use of the words presented in the Bible southernlass. You may have noticed that I also prefer to try to understand the meaning of the words presented in the Scriptures, rather than have the words in the Scriptures say the things that I would like them to say.
I cannot ever remember having seen uncrazy do this before. This customarily is a habit shown by someone else. 
Which book do you seek to identify here uncrazy?
"And I didn't find this external to your book...I found it within your book. Have you ever considered why a church or it memebers claiming truth would label a researcher like me a heretic or enemy of the church or its people?"
You're usually a very competent writer; but I got a little lost in this post of your's.
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| Apr 29 @ 7:05 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
Uncrazy posted:"I truly know that your offering is heartfelt to be true, but as the 4 gospels, Acts, and Revelations are written in a parable format, a second story sits below its surface.
He is basically saying that the bible is like the book "Animal Farm" in that the fictional characters and story hides the true political/religious views being presented beneath the story.
Peace
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| Apr 29 @ 8:54 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Really???
Oh...well if that is the case---I think you're full of something other than truth.
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| Apr 29 @ 9:20 AM |
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CPUfan
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Uncrazy Have you ever considered why a church or it members claiming truth would label a researcher like me a heretic or enemy of the church or its people?"
Because you are intelligent, well-educated and eloquent...  Few things could be more threatening or induce such a state of emergency than intelligence and education. 
...And because you are Uncrazy... Crazy people are more often than not ignored. Unless they are also religious...  
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| Apr 29 @ 9:38 AM |
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pamdemonium
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Crazy people are more often than not ignored. Unless they are also religious...
Profound.
Why is that?
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