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yashaenka
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The Delusions of ChristianityFairy tales that changed the world
This video presents those delusions in so simple a fashion even simple minded people can understand it.
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| Apr 25 @ 12:25 PM |
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Peabianjay
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The video is amusing, and yes, easy to understand.
Easy to understand the bias against religion introduced via words like "magical", and the use of preconceived (and incorrect) notions regarding religions.
Statements of conjecture are presented as fact (ie "No valid scientific...", "No evidence...", etc.)
Attemps to isolate and simplify fail (ie. The conjecture that "The other religions..." are clearly false.)
Clearly, the narator is delusional. 
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| Apr 25 @ 2:46 PM |
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jamminjerry
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Yas, i rarely click on any link, therefore no popups. could you tax your mind a bit and give me and/or us a few words from you as to your opinion of this video? we be jammin 
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| Apr 25 @ 3:09 PM |
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Peabianjay
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The video provides one example from each of Christianity, Muslim & Mormon beliefs modified to appear blatently & obviously false.
The argument presented is simply, "Snakes don't talk.", "Christians believe in magical talking snakes.", therefore, "Christianity is a delusion."
It's an athiest re-interpretation used to deny the validity & usefullness of faith.
(I didn't get any popups on that video....it's not that long. On the other hand, if you've read any of Iam's posts.....it's nothing new, either.)
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| Apr 25 @ 3:40 PM |
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jamminjerry
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thank you. tell ya what i'm gonna do, i'm gonna go and ask "christians" if they think snakes can talk, (of course i will remind them of the garden of eden") yep, thats where they will stammer! LOL. but perhaps i will remind them that it is not the snake that is talking but it is our God that is talking. i will remind them that a snake cannot talk unless our God grants it the power to talk.  am i sounding like a holyroller? we have a moot point here. perhaps you might find a delusion among the pseudos that a true christian might challange them with? ask the pseudos about matt 15:24. should anyone wonder about that verse, my teacher spoke those words. ask the pseudos who speaks the words they cling to. we be jammin
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| Apr 25 @ 4:38 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Rational and critical thought are great weapons against delusion. The narrator is quite right, but....if only it were that simple! 
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| Apr 25 @ 4:51 PM |
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Peabianjay
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Rational and critical thought are great weapons against delusion
Yup. Rational & critical thought unfailingly leads people to faith in a higher power, though the details vary greatly. Even without deductive reasoning, inductive reasoning leads to the same conclusion.
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| Apr 25 @ 5:00 PM |
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Thor1960303
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The argument presented is simply, "Snakes don't talk.", "Christians believe in magical talking snakes.", therefore, "Christianity is a delusion."
It's an athiest re-interpretation used to deny the validity & usefullness of faith.
Is there a usefullness to having faith in a belief that denies reality? Snakes don't talk. Unless you consider "SSSSSSSSS" to be an intelligible language.
I find it interesting that the events surrounding these differing religions have such similar characteristics. Both Joseph Smith and Muhammed experienced a bright light and talked to an "angel" ( the Apostle Paul also saw a bright laight before being visited by a non physical "Jesus", as did many of the other prophets). Also, preceeding each hallucinatory event, each of these people were either travelling in the desert or spending time in a meditative "altered" state. Now what does this say to any rational person? The fact is,so called "religious visions" can be duplicated under laboratory conditions.
If a "God" wanted to impart a message to his creation, the one that was his crowning achievement, the one that he supposedly made in his image and made a little lower than the angles, why does he have to work through people with hallucinations? Why not make a blanket announcement to everyone with a loud thundering voice from Heaven? Finally, why "appear" to people across the ages in different regions of the world with messages that are so different as to incite wars, riots and other nasty things?
This God fellow really hasn't mastered the fine art of communication has he?
Rational & critical thought unfailingly leads people to faith in a higher power
If the higher power you are referring to are forces of nature such as light and gravity, I would agree. If you're talking about an invisible man in the sky, I would challenge you to provide the connection between rationality and belief in supernatural beings. How rational is it to believe something that A) Has no evidence and B) Has stories of things that can't possibly happen, i.e. talking snakes, seas parting and walking on water?
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| Apr 25 @ 5:20 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Snakes don't talk
is a true statement... 
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http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0604/snake.html
Creation Scientists To Search for Talking Snake Bones in Africa
At what point in history did snakes lose their vocal cords and legs? Creation Scientists turn to the Bible and the continent of Africa for an answer.
Freehold, Iowa - Most True Christians™ acknowledge that the key to solving the greatest mystery of Creation Science may lay buried deep within the heart of African jungle.
.....Creation Scientists agree that snakes lost their vocal cords along with their legs between 8,000 and 7,800 BC.
Today, modern Christians, like those at the newly founded, Creation Studies Institute, are spending almost a million dollars, and investing countless hours to gather the evidence needed to prove, without a doubt, to the secular scientific community, that the planet Earth was once populated with walking, talking snakes. "Christians have The Talking Snake Theory, and Atheists have Evolution," says Creation Scientist, Dr. Jonathan Edwards. "Only one can be correct. Sadly, until us Creation Scientists can prove that snakes once had vocal cords, I expect that them silly old hell-bound evil-lutionists won't take us seriously."
Dr. Edwards is leading the first of many Creation Science expeditions to Africa. "We pick Africa because we know that Eve was in a giant garden the last time she saw a talking snake with legs," says Dr. Edwards. "The Genesis account of Creation describes something very similar to the pictures of Africa that I've seen in the National Geographic Magazines I have stuffed between my mattresses, so I'm fairly certain that Africa is where these fantastic creatures once resided. In addition, Eve's testimony and conversation with the last known talking snake is transcribed word for word in the book of Genesis. I'm sure it breaks the Lord's heart that unsaved secular scientists have stooped so low as to question her eyewitness account."
prove them wrong....
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| Apr 25 @ 7:42 PM |
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southernlass
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PBJ: The video provides one example from each of Christianity, Muslim & Mormon beliefs modified to appear blatently & obviously false.
The argument presented is simply, "Snakes don't talk.", "Christians believe in magical talking snakes.", therefore, "Christianity is a delusion."
It's an athiest re-interpretation used to deny the validity & usefullness of faith.
I hate to say this, but if it's from Iam or Yash, that's all it's ever going to be. I assure you it will, the majority of the time, be atheistic in nature and extremely insulting and prejudicial against Christians and Christianity. Iam and Yash could be twins or maybe they are both simply the same person with two different alters/personalities? (chuckle) Who knows..
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| Apr 25 @ 7:47 PM |
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sealacamp
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Is there a usefullness to having faith in a belief that denies reality?
Faith in Christ leads to a fuller and more complete understanding of reality. There is no denial at all. There is however a great deal of incomprehension from those that rebel against God and His son.
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| Apr 25 @ 8:07 PM |
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iam01
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Faith in Christ leads to a fuller and more complete understanding of reality. Only when you wear a tin foil hat. In your reality there are talking snakes, talking shrubbery, every living animal walking together on a boat. Your faith has the same level of reality as Alice in Wonderland.
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| Apr 25 @ 8:09 PM |
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iam01
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But the video makes it clear. Christians do think Mormons are delusional. Christians don't think Jesus was resurrected in America and Jews lived here 2000 years ago. Do they? If Christian don't believe Mormons are delusional then please tell me so. I'd like to be wrong once in a while.
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| Apr 25 @ 8:15 PM |
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iam01
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Easy to understand the bias against religion introduced via words like "magical", and the use of preconceived (and incorrect) notions regarding religions.
What's wrong with the word magic? You don't believe in magic?
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| Apr 25 @ 9:34 PM |
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yashaenka
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It's an athiest re-interpretation used to deny the validity & usefullness of faith We have no objection to faith we just have incredulity that you still think the Bible you use as a crutch is the word of God and is historically correct. That is Blind Faith and/or willful ignorance.
Why should we respect someone who is willingly ignorant and listen to your ravings about hell or the end of times?
It is really amusing that three of the worlds major religions are built upon the delusion of three individuals who had a hallucination... 
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| Apr 25 @ 9:50 PM |
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Peabianjay
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Thor: ...why does [He] have to work through people with hallucinations? Such as? I'm not aware of any, myself.
Thor: Why not make a blanket announcement to everyone with a loud thundering voice from Heaven? To do so would eliminate free will.
Thor: Finally, why "appear" to people across the ages in different regions of the world with messages that are so different What's "amazing" isn't the differences, but rather the similarities. It is fallible man that has transcribed the experiences & messages inspired by God. As such, those messages must necessarily be presented in the context of the society of the man receiving the message.
Thor: ...as to incite wars, riots and other nasty things? Such is the nature of man. Some people can't understand the simplest concepts, some will twist words/ideas to suit their own agenda's. Some will use the authority of God to reduce/prevent opposition to otherwise contentious issues. (Much like calling a person "unpatriotic" for disagreeing with government choices.)
Thor: This God fellow really hasn't mastered the fine art of communication has he? Well, ya, He has. Communication takes two, though. Mankind certainly has its issues understanding. And yet, despite our incredible variety of backgrounds & intelligence, millions of people got the message.
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| Apr 25 @ 9:58 PM |
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yashaenka
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But yet there are 5 Billion people that have not got the message or simply scoff at it....  
In the UK, Europe and America Christianity is on the wane only in the poorer countries in South America or Africa where a lot of peoples are uneducated or under education is there any real growth of Christianity or Islam as well.
[Edited on 4/25/2009 10:02 PM]
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| Apr 25 @ 10:00 PM |
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Peabianjay
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yashaenka: Why should we respect someone who is willingly ignorant? Well, I suppose you shouldn't, if that were the case. Since your premise is flawed, the conclusion doesn't follow.
yashaenka: But yet there are 5 Billion people that have not got the message or simply scoff at it So?
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| Apr 25 @ 10:09 PM |
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yashaenka
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Since your premise is flawed, the conclusion doesn't follow. You need to retake your logic 101 class. A question is not a premise do you not know that?
Question Why should we respect someone who is willingly ignorant? Is not a premise....
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| Apr 25 @ 10:24 PM |
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Peabianjay
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yashaenka: A question is not a premise do you not know that? Of course not.
In fact, it's so obvious, I didn't think it was necessary to walk you through it. You reached the conclusion, people are "willingly ignorant" based on a flawed premise, rendering the question moot.
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