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j_goose
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"Let the one of you who is sinless be the first one to cast a stone at her. Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?
Neither do I condemn you."
But he didn't did he?
Does this imply that he sinned at some point in his life? He was (supposedly) born human, with all the emotions, etc. So why would it be so "impossible" for him to have sinned?
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| Jul 18 @ 10:09 AM |
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iam01
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Why would he need to get baptized?
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| Jul 18 @ 10:18 AM |
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j_goose
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Galations 5 19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
This sounds like rage to me....
John 2 13-15 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus(B) went up to Jerusalem. In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.
How's about this little gem....
Luke 2:21 (King James Version)
21And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
But Paul says....(in Galations)
2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace
That Paul...what a great guy.....
[Edited on 7/18/2009 10:26 AM]
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| Jul 18 @ 12:42 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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The body He was born in was fully-human, but He was fully-God spiritually.
I'm not going to argue with you guys about it. But there's the information.
Hopefully this will help you with your understanding: 1John 5:21-"We know also that the Son of God has come who is true--even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."
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| Jul 18 @ 1:06 PM |
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j_goose
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1John 5:21-
"We know also that the Son of God has come who is true--even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."
Not really.
But God is also a sinner according to this passage....[most importantly those in bold....]
Galations 5 19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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| Jul 18 @ 1:08 PM |
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iam01
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No need to confuse the already confused.
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| Jul 18 @ 1:15 PM |
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Thor1960303
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The body He was born in was fully-human
This would mean that he ate, drank (Biblically recorded incidents), urinated, excreted, passed gas and had nocturnal emissions.
All things considered ungodly by religions that pit body against spirit, thereby compromising his divinity in the eyes of some. This is why we see Jesus in middle ages art with a glow around him, as if he is above humanity. One of my favorite pieces of religious art is Dali's Sacrament of the Last Supper. It's an illustration of what theologians call the hypostatic union.
A belief system that predates Christianity by many centuries.
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| Jul 18 @ 1:20 PM |
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iam01
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Jesus was a female since no males can be born in parthenogenesis. He was a she.
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| Jul 18 @ 1:40 PM |
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j_goose
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I've never thought of that.......
{he could have been a lizard or a plant}
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| Jul 18 @ 4:46 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Jesus was a female since no males can be born in parthenogenesis. He was a she.
There are three proofs that Jesus was a woman.
1) Prepared a meal for 5000 with only a moment's notice.
2) Preached a message to a bunch of men who, "still don't get it."
3)Had to get up after death because there was still work to be done.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:26 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Every human being is born with the capacity to sin.
Which each of us do.
But Jesus, (Who was God incarnate), was born equipped differently than the rest of us.
He underwent some time in the wilderness--I believe to assist Him in the development of His unique nature. This development culminating with His time of great temptation in the desert/wilderness.
It was during this time that He honed His resistance to the temptations of Satan.
Don't forget, while He was exactly like a man physically, spiritually He was still God. Although for all eternity He had become incredibly familiar with His spiritual reality, His bodily reality was new to Him. He had grown + developed as Jesus much like other humans.
But He had never truly had the human experience before.
This was all new to Him. Before the advent of Jesus Christ--God in the flesh, He had existed for all time only as spirit.
But this process was necessary if He was going to make salvation possible for us to do without the assistance of a priest.
In order to give us the gift of salvation, without each of us giving weekly individual sacrifices, His redemptive plan for us called for Him to live a sinless life as a human being.
And then to be sacrificed. As a payment for our sins.
In this way He was consistent with His OT demand for the sacrifice of animals without blemish as a payment for sin. Deuteronomy 17:1--"Do not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep that has any defect or flaw in it, for that would be detestable to Him."
Deuteronomy 24:16--"Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin."
But thanks be to God, He provided a method for each of us to pay for our own sins, without any further loss of life.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:40 PM |
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Anaastasis
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But he didn't did he?
Does this imply that he sinned at some point in his life? He was (supposedly) born human, with all the emotions, etc. So why would it be so "impossible" for him to have sinned?
No, it implies nothing of the sort. I was not impossible for him to sin. That is whole reason he endured 40 days in the Wilderness being tempted.
Why would he need to get baptized?
To fulfill all Righteousness.
This sounds like rage to me....
But it isn't.
How's about this little gem....
Jesus was born under the Law and therefore was circumcised on the eighth day.
But Paul says....(in Galations)
Paul wrote to Gentiles after the Law was done away with in Christ.
They were under no obligation to keep such ordinances of the Law.
Not really.
You have mistranslated John's words.
But God is also a sinner according to this passage....[most importantly those in bold....]
God is not also a sinner according to this passage. You have the exegetical prowess of a buzzard.
This would mean that he ate, drank (Biblically recorded incidents), urinated, excreted, passed gas and had nocturnal emissions.
All things considered ungodly by religions that pit body against spirit, thereby compromising his divinity in the eyes of some. This is why we see Jesus in middle ages art with a glow around him, as if he is above humanity. One of my favorite pieces of religious art is Dali's Sacrament of the Last Supper. It's an illustration of what theologians call the hypostatic union.
A belief system that predates Christianity by many centuries.
The commentary of a blithering idiot.
Jesus was a female since no males can be born in parthenogenesis. He was a she.
Jesus was not born in pathenogenesis. He was born in Theogenesis.
There are three proofs that Jesus was a woman.
1) Prepared a meal for 5000 with only a moment's notice.
2) Preached a message to a bunch of men who, "still don't get it."
3)Had to get up after death because there was still work to be done.
There are three proofs that Jesus was a man.
1) Ordered fast food delivery for 5000 with only a moment's notice.
2) Preached a message to a bunch of men who, "still get it to this day."
3) Had to get up after death because there was still a house to build for his Wife.
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| Jul 18 @ 6:15 PM |
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j_goose
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No, it implies nothing of the sort. I was not impossible for him to sin. That is whole reason he endured 40 days in the Wilderness being tempted.
But god cannot be tempted....
But He had never truly had the human experience before.
This was all new to Him. Before the advent of Jesus Christ--God This is rather silly. He CREATED the Human experience. You're applying a flaw to a "perfect" god.
Paul wrote to Gentiles after the Law was done away with in Christ.
They were under no obligation to keep such ordinances of the Law.
Then homosexuality os A-OK with God.....
Jesus was born under the Law and therefore was circumcised on the eighth day.
Very good, you can read. That's the scripture I posted. Now, why would Paul condemn such a practice (circumcision) if it was good enough for Christ himself.
Your arguements suck......as usual....
God is not also a sinner according to this passage. You have the exegetical prowess of a buzzard.
The scripture says what it says. God's rage, jealousy, etc. is all over the Bible. Paul points out these atributes as a sin. God even admits to being jealous.
Again, your arguements are garbage......
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| Jul 18 @ 6:23 PM |
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Anaastasis
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But god cannot be tempted....
But man can be tempted.
Then homosexuality os A-OK with God.....
In no way.
Very good, you can read. That's the scripture I posted. Now, why would Paul condemn such a practice (circumcision) if it was good enough for Christ himself.
Your arguements suck......as usual....
Christ was born under the Law. Christians are not under the Law.
Your arguments suck.......as usual......they are also biblical in their very essence.
The scripture says what it says. God's rage, jealousy, etc. is all over the Bible. Paul points out these atributes as a sin. God even admits to being jealous.
Again, your arguements are garbage....
God's Rage and Jealousy have nothing to do with the works of the Flesh that Paul cites.
Again, your arguments are garbage.....
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| Jul 19 @ 7:53 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Christ was born under the Law. Christians are not under the Law. Exactly! Jesus headed a Jewish cult that claimed to be above the laws set forth by the desert god. Jesus was influenced by eastern type spirituality and preached his own philosophical beliefs.
What god would make laws that he would later have to change? 
Did this desert god simply make a mistake? 
If so, is that a trait that anyone would attribute to a true god? 
Peace
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| Jul 19 @ 8:37 AM |
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Deborah551
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Jesus was born under the Law and therefore was circumcised on the eighth day. I asked a preacher I email about circumcision and why would god put a piece of flesh on the males penis for the only purpose of having it removed? Why did god call this piece of flesh unclean if god himself put it there. Here's his reply.
As for the foreskin being "dirty"...under the Law of Moses, God used various things to teach the concept of spiritual uncleanness. But this did not mean that these things were literally reprehensible or bad. For example, God made ALL animals; and after creating them, pronounced His creation "very good." But, under the Law of Moses, God declared certain animals to be "unclean" to the people of Israel--i.e., not to be eaten by them. This declaration did not at all change His decree that they were created "very good." God was simply using the distinction He made among the animals of clean/unclean to begin to teach the people about holiness--being "set apart" (meaning of "holy") FROM spiritually unclean practices and TO spiritually clean practices. This clean/unclean distinction also was used to try to keep Israel from blending in with the idolatrous Gentile nations, as Gentiles were included under the "unclean" label. In Acts 10, God shows very clearly that, under the New Testament, Gentiles are no longer to be considered "unclean," but are to be evangelized just as the Jews
I wrote him back and asked why god uses clean things to signify unclean things. In other words, if god made it, it must be clean.
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| Jul 19 @ 9:08 AM |
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Deborah551
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Don't forget, while He was exactly like a man physically, spiritually He was still God. Although for all eternity He had become incredibly familiar with His spiritual reality, His bodily reality was new to Him. He had grown + developed as Jesus much like other humans. He was much like a man physically because HE WAS A MAN PHYSICALL, SPIRITUALLY, MENTALLY AND ANY OTHER WAY A HUMAN BEING IS A MAN.
In 1Cor.1:3-4 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ.
This is just one of Pauls greeting that prove Jesus was a man like any other man. If Jesus was god, why was grace given to him by god? How can god, who owns it all, give to god, Jesus grace? Also, after Jesus arose from the dead he called his father his god? If Jesus was god almighty, why did he have a god?
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| Jul 19 @ 1:41 PM |
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j_goose
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But man can be tempted.
Then Jesus isn't god.
on homosexuality being ok with god said:
In no way.
Please provide scripture in the NT (From Jesus, not Paul) supporting this statement.
Just admit you've got nothing, and that you're scripture doesn't back anything you say.
(I expect you'll re-write my statements as usual since you've got no arguement)
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| Jul 19 @ 3:16 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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"Christ was born under the Law. Christians are not under the Law.
Exactly! Jesus headed a Jewish cult that claimed to be above the laws set forth by the desert god. Jesus was influenced by eastern type spirituality and preached his own philosophical beliefs." --sail-dancer
 This is incorrect. (As usual.) And yet in your own mind, and in the minds of most of your Lost friends, you are a terribly wise man. So many of you jokers believe you've got Christianity all figured out.
Your pride will be your ultimate downfall. But for now, while you temporarily find lodging in your bodies, your pride is just a very unattractive quality. (Even to each other.)
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| Jul 19 @ 3:40 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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"Does this imply that he sinned at some point in his life?" -J-Goose
No. It does not imply that.
He was born in the flesh of a man. And He was faced with the all the temptations of a man. But He never ceased being God.
Didn't you read anything about the temptations of Christ in the desert?
He defeated Satan at that time. He successfully resisted each of the the temptations He was given.
I thought you were brighter than that goose. Just recently we exchanged fairly light, almost friendly messages. Was that all a ruse?
How do you figure this: "But God is also a sinner according to this passage....[most importantly those in bold....]" --goose
In the passage you quoted, who was being discussed?
"Galations 5 19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Do you contend that God has a sinful nature?? Are you telling us that you believe that Jesus Christ--God incarnate, committed any of the acts in that list?
goose, I apologize. I've been giving you way too much credit for understanding Biblical things.
I'm sorry if I've given you the impression that your search into Biblical truths has been completed. Apparently the journey has just begun. 
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