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Faith based bigotry and their effects on society.
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iam01
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We are very familiar with Christianity throughout history destroying other cultures and their beliefs based on interpretation of scripture. We know Islam considers anyone not Muslim a Kafir. Kifir is Arabic for "rejecter" or "ingrate". The Christians want to convert the Muslims. The Muslims want to convert the Christians. Both of them want to convert everyone else in an insane race to dominate the world.
The Jews call non-Jews gentiles. Of the three desert dogmas, only the Jews don't want to convert anyone but they believe they are the chosen ones and should have possession of the Temple Mount currently occupied by Muslims You can see these three desert dogmas can't get along with each other.
Lets explore the effects of faith based bigotry. Also, do other religions in other parts of the world share a similar megalomaniac ideology?
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| Jul 28 @ 2:16 AM |
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southernlass
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Lets explore the effects of faith based bigotry. Also, do other religions in other parts of the world share a similar megalomaniac ideology?
Let's also explore the effects of non-faith based bigotry please, or we can start a separate thread on the matter if you don't want to include it here, because those without faith are similarly just as bigoted, if not more, especially presently.
Personally, I don't believe that faith can be considered "bigoted." It might be considered to have an "exclusivity clause," but it is not bigoted. Let's explore the definition of the word "bigotry."
big·ot·ry /'b?g?tri/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [big-uh-tree] Show IPA
Use bigotry in a Sentence
–noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
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Origin:
1665–75; bigot + -ry, formation parallel to F bigoterie
Synonyms:
1. narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination.
Christianity does not discriminate against others, nor does it exhibit bias, or narrow-mindedness in philosophy. It does consider itself to be, through Jesus Christ, the only way to know and commune with God. Christianity offers others a set of instructions if they desire to see and know God and have eternal life/salvation, due to mankind being unable on his own to be "good enough" to know and communicate with God.
In the OT times, man was made good enough through various sacrifice. Jesus Christ, in the NT, is the final and last sacrifice that makes man "good enough." Through acceptance of His sacrifice, man can now commune with and know God, and be good enough. Through refusal to acknowledge and believe in the sacrifice Jesus Christ made and thus through this belief be "born again," man chooses to turn away from God instead, thus relegating himself through his own free choice to a life separate and apart from God for all of eternity.
This right to eternal life/salvation is clearly there for everyone, proving that there is no bias, proving that there is no discrimination. Each man makes up his or her own mind in regard to Christianity. The outcome of separation from God and no ability to know Him is the natural consequence to ignoring or refusing God's direction. There is no bias; it is simply the consequences of that choice to refuse Jesus Christ.
Now in regard to Christians themselves being intolerant or bigoted, individual Christians are certainly capable of acting inappropriately via personal prejudices, mistaken inferences, and a host of other unfortunate behaviors. This does not, however, invalidate the Christian religion or make it bigoted just because those who believe in it do not practice it perfectly.
Christian people are very capable of respecting other people's choices and beliefs for those people, but they do have to acknowledge what the Bible says regarding those who choose not to follow the simple directions outlined for them in the Bible, which is the infalible word of God, in my opinion. Now if they're tolerant, they will not throw this acknowledgment into other people's faces because it's simply not particularly nice to do so, but in a forum where they are being confronted on a daily basis in a negative manner, it's more than appropriate to acknowledge that the wages of sin without Jesus Christ as savior is death.
[Edited on 7/28/2009 2:20 AM]
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| Jul 28 @ 2:16 AM |
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kjac
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Scientology is getting there. They're more about selling the religion than cramming it down the throats of non-believers. And as out there as some of their beliefs seem, it's no worse than assuming it rained one time and everything on the planet drowned.
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| Jul 28 @ 9:10 AM |
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iam01
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SL.
Can you stick to facts and reality instead of a delusional religious rant?
For example, just a name a few:
Martin Luther's hatred for Jews.
Justin Martyr condemning Jews for not converting..
Inquisitions.
Witch burnings.
Blood Libels
Crusades
Missionaries forcing indoctrinations of indigenous cultures.
Holocaust
Racism
Catholics vs Protestants in Northern Ireland.
Slavery
Homosexuality
Stem cell research
Public school systems
Hiring practices in the Bible Belt
and so on....
We would like examples such as this...
Christian fanatics disrupting a Hindu priest in the U. S. Senate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9To30Hz7A
The Christian disruptors were from Operation Save America who were from North Carolina, a Bible Belt state.
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| Jul 28 @ 9:18 AM |
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iam01
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To get some idea of faith based bigotry, lets ask a Christian a few questions...
Will Hindus got to hell? Yes or No.
Will Buddhists go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Jains go to hell? Yes or No
Will Taoists go to hell? Yes or No.
Will Atheists go to hell? Yes or No
Will Agnostics go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Jews go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Muslims go to hell? Yes or No..
If you answer Yes to any question. Please explain your reasons.
SL, perhaps you would like to start.
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Hmmm  Questions too difficult?
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| Jul 28 @ 6:12 PM |
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uab_5
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Will Hindus got to hell? Yes or No.
Will Buddhists go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Jains go to hell? Yes or No
Will Taoists go to hell? Yes or No.
Will Atheists go to hell? Yes or No
Will Agnostics go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Jews go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Muslims go to hell? Yes or No..
If you answer Yes to any question. Please explain your reasons.
Did the above repent of their shitheadness?
If yes, then they are saved.
If they died a proud shithead, let them burn! 
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| Jul 28 @ 6:26 PM |
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bunnybiz
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Will Hindus got to hell? Yes or No.
Will Buddhists go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Jains go to hell? Yes or No
Will Taoists go to hell? Yes or No.
Will Atheists go to hell? Yes or No
Will Agnostics go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Jews go to hell? Yes or No..
Will Muslims go to hell? Yes or No..
If you answer Yes to any question. Please explain your reasons.
If based on fable hell my answer is NO to all the above.
If based on hell (unseen) being the grave and state of being dead then Yes.
Why? Because we all die and become dead.
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| Jul 28 @ 7:01 PM |
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uab_5
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Why? Because we all die and become dead.
How ghoulish! 
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| Jul 28 @ 7:02 PM |
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southernlass
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Holocaust
Racism
Catholics vs Protestants in Northern Ireland.
Slavery
Homosexuality
Stem cell research
Public school systems
Hiring practices in the Bible Belt
and so on....
What's the "we" business?
The above have nothing to do with Christian bigotry and more to do with individual perspectives on issues. There are countless individuals who are liberal who do not believe in stem cell research or abortion, and likewise homosexuality. Let's just look at the black community itself. The majority of those liberal voters who voted for Obama did not vote against proposition eight; they voted for proposition eight because they personally believe that homosexual "marriage" is a misnomer and they prefer to retain the concept of marriage as is, so let's not twist things so far out of shape that the truth is unrecognizable.
I'll cite you countless examples of atheist, bloodthirsty dictators and already have in the past. If you want this research YET AGAIN, you'll have to wait until I have time to find it.
If all you can do to prove your thread topic is to cite some ancient history, it's the same old boring tripe that holds no water because non faith based bigotry has killed a lot more people than faith based bigotry ever did.
Through out history, atheistically inclined individuals have no moral standards to guide them in their dictatorial behavior toward others and lack of an inner moral compass allows them to perpetrate obscene acts of violence. Belief in God or a higher power helps one to become compassionate and more morally appropriate.
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| Jul 28 @ 7:08 PM |
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uab_5
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Through out history, atheistically inclined individuals have no moral standards to guide them and their dictatorial behavior toward others and lack of an inner moral compass allows them to perpetrate obscene acts of violence. Belief in God or a higher power helps one to become compassionate and more morally appropriate
HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had one hyper-Christer-whore in HS tell me "religion had nothing to do with morality".
My brother and and father are the most righteous dudes onew could ever meet, but the day they believe in Christ is the day I believe I like chicken! 
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| Jul 28 @ 7:09 PM |
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southernlass
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Prove it doesn't and as for the ancient history references, again I can provide the same acts perpetrated by atheists.
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| Jul 28 @ 7:26 PM |
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uab_5
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No one has moral high ground is my point.
As much as you tug with Iam, he's gonna tug back at you.
Red and yellow, black and white,
Any atrocies can be commited. by their sight.
Jesus lovers are far from perfect.
We are all sinners.
Christians to don' thave the golden ticket into heaven, nor do non-belivers have their cards punched for hell.
If we repend and so forth and strive to sin less and become perfec in love, only then will we might have a chance of being admitted into Heaven.
But that is for the Almightly, as each understands him, to come to grips with in this life.
I know an 88 year old sex predator that is being punished civilly for his (recent) sins, but is repentant of them, so I pray that God will forgive him and allow him into Heaven.
As do I wish the murder of my Sunday School teacher and her son, who suicided afterwards. He had bipolar disorder and was high on morphine so didn't have the chance to repent, but I believe God is mercifuland takes pity on those out of their minds.
Maybe my bar for entry to Heaven is low. My hyper-Christer friend doesn't believe animals will be in Heaven, but their were animals in the Garden of Eden.
Besides, what will Heaven be like without my best friends meaning the dogs and cats I've owned in this life?
If my pets won't be in Heaven, I want no part of it!
The only truly wicked sin is lack of repentance. If one is too proud to repent and admit they made a mistake, then they are truly damned to Hell.
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| Jul 28 @ 7:56 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Besides, what will Heaven be like without my best friends meaning the dogs and cats I've owned in this life?
If my pets won't be in Heaven, I want no part of it!
I agree
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| Jul 28 @ 8:25 PM |
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iam01
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If my pets won't be in Heaven, I want no part of it!
Did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode, The Hunt? Very touching story about a man Hyder Simpson and his hound dog Rip. Both both died and were at the gates of heaven but they refused to allow his dog to enter. They didn't even have coon hunting. Hyder wouldn't enter a place like that.
Well, watch it yourself...
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/horror/watch/v180794718gJxGscs
25 minutes..
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| Jul 28 @ 8:30 PM |
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uab_5
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I knew that old joke had to have come from some where!
What my cats and dogs do wrong not to deserve eternal life? 
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| Jul 28 @ 8:56 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode, The Hunt?
Yep, I've seen it many times - it's one of my favorites.  
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| Jul 31 @ 9:09 AM |
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iam01
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This involve politics but its about religious bigotry that affects society so it belongs here. Does anyone know about the memo GWB signed that allows federal funding to religious groups that discriminate by religious affiliation in their hiring practices?
That means a Christian group can receive money from the government for a social program and use that money for to pay for job positions while discriminating against atheists, gays, pagans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists, Catholics, women, Hispanics, blacks. Actually anyone they feel like.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/washington/18discrimination.html?_r=1
WASHINGTON — In a newly disclosed legal memorandum, the Bush administration says it can bypass laws that forbid giving taxpayer money to religious groups that hire only staff members who share their faith. Since Bush is out of office, that would be cause for celebration.
Perhaps this can also be posted in the other thread too
Do you believe in the Constitutional Separation of Church and State?
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| Jul 31 @ 12:54 PM |
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kjac
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Would you call Corky a bigot? What about all the other mentally challenged in the world?
How can you guage whether or not these people are truly responsible for their actions? They've been force-fed so much dogma in their lives that their minds cannot even comprehend the possibility that what they are doing is wrong.
Like a Klansman raised from birth to be what they are. What they are doing is wrong to sane, rational people. But how much of a shot at sane and rational do these people have?
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| Jul 31 @ 1:40 PM |
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iam01
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How can you guage whether or not these people are truly responsible for their actions? They've been force-fed so much dogma in their lives that their minds cannot even comprehend the possibility that what they are doing is wrong. That's just it isn't it? They are beyond knowledge, logic and reasoning and for some an aspiration to completely extinguish any knowledge, logic and reasoning whatsoever because their blind faith is more powerful than heroin.
Like a Klansman raised from birth to be what they are. What they are doing is wrong to sane, rational people. But how much of a shot at sane and rational do these people have? They're Christians and as Christian as Fred Phelps and Shirley Phelps-Roper, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and so on and on... The Mormons considered blacks to be an inferior race as the the Klan did. Slavery and bigotry based on Christian dogma. It turns out the Mormons updated their dogma that blacks aren't inferior coincidentally around the time of civil rights movement. One can only wonder how Mitt Romney's magic underwear got into a bunch when a black man was elected President...
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eyesofastranger
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Yesterday on the history channel I watched an attempt to research the ark and what it might have been if it ever existed. Turns out all reference to it ended during the rule of Solomon. Many jews feel it is buried beneath the temple mount and god commands they destroy the Muslim temple to rebuild the temple of Solomon. The fact this will cause WW3 is irrelevant as god commands it. This rebuilding will bring about the 1900 years overdue second coming of course and the suffering caused by such an act is commanded by some smelly dude who wrote god.
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