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yashaenka
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It never ceases to amaze me how the Christians claim that there Conception of God is the only true God. #
* 1.1 Abrahamic conceptions of God
o 1.1.1 God in Judaism
o 1.1.2 God in Christianity
o 1.1.3 Islamic concept
o 1.1.4 Bahá'í concept
o 1.1.5 Negative theology
o 1.1.6 God as unity or Trinity
o 1.1.7 Binitarianism
* 1.2 Conception of God in Sikhism
* 1.3 Conceptions of God in Hinduism
* 1.4 Conception of God in Buddhism
# 2 Esotericism and Hermeticism
* 2.1 A Hermeticist conception of God
* 2.2 The Rosicrucian conception of God
# 3 Metaphysics and Philosophy
* 3.1 Aristotelian definition of God
* 3.2 The Ultimate
# 4 Modern views
* 4.1 Process philosophy and Open Theism
* 4.2 Posthuman God
* 4.3 Extraterrestrials
* 4.4 Phenomenological definition Conceptions of God
Monotheism and Polytheism alike are Mystical Conceptions of a God for homo sapiens
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| Sep 2 @ 9:27 AM |
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southernlass
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It's the religion, Yash. The religion, the Bible claims that God is the only one true God. We believe in the religion that claims this. And obviously God is a powerful force to be reckoned with or you and the rest wouldn't be jazzing us up all the time about Him.
Even you guys realize the truth on some level, or you wouldn't be constantly making every single thread about Christians, Christianity, and our God, don't you see that?
Now someone else that perhaps believed differently would be a lot more credible in their doubt, if they were truly content with their own god(s) or whatever they believe in, and couldn't be bothered with the Christians -- but the very obsessive nature with Christians and their God, shows that you guys are intimidated by and realize the potency and existence of God. You're doing everything you can to de-bunk and defeat Him, without success, I might add.
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| Sep 2 @ 9:32 AM |
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yashaenka
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak or write
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| Sep 2 @ 9:57 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SL,
Now someone else that perhaps believed differently would be a lot more credible in their doubt, if they were truly content with their own god(s) or whatever they believe in, and couldn't be bothered with the Christians -- but the very obsessive nature with Christians and their God, shows that you guys are intimidated by and realize the potency and existence of God. You're doing everything you can to de-bunk and defeat Him, without success, I might add. The truth of the matter is that you cannot rebut anything that has been posted. So you make outlandish claims that people posting against the christian desert god are doing so because they are "intimidated by and realize the potency and existence of God".
You just don't get it!
These people consider the christian desert god as a mythical invisible daddy that delusional christians adore without question. These people are not intimidated since they consider your god poppycock. If anything they are more intimidated by the atrocities associated with followers of desert god dogma. History records the dangers (mass murders, genocide, witch hunts, etc.) of the delusional followers of the desert god.
We are not intimidated by or afraid of any invisible mythical daddy. We are. however very skeptical about people like you that allow the dogma of this violent and jealous mythical god to influence your lives.
Your dogma is sick and by accepting it, you are a potential menace to society. It has nothing to do with your mythical god ..... it has to do with how belief in this deity affects people in general.
Peace
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| Sep 2 @ 10:01 AM |
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yashaenka
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Nice to see your post Sail
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| Sep 2 @ 10:18 AM |
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Jankia
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It never ceases to amaze me how certain adult non-Christians spend so much time trying to disprove a God they feel doesnt even exist. Debating with nonsense because they havent any truth to use is getting way to old on here.
First by attacking the person and then who that person is...
These people consider the christian desert god as a mythical invisible daddy that delusional christians adore without question. These people are not intimidated since they consider your god poppycock. If anything they are more intimidated by the atrocities associated with followers of desert god dogma. History records the dangers (mass murders, genocide, witch hunts, etc.) of the delusional followers of the desert god. Its 2009 saildancer,I know your an old man like the OP that professes to be an educated theologist but you both need to get past your personal diatribe against Christianity and get with the facts of today.
History records everything so try paying attention to more then only what your biased mind can understand.
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| Sep 2 @ 10:44 AM |
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yashaenka
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This from a person with brain damage! I make no claims to being a Theologists the University where I obtained one of my two Graduate degrees makes those claims.....for me
What your excuse? 
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| Sep 2 @ 1:34 PM |
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Jankia
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I dont need excuses for life like certain liars on here do. 
For example...
This from a person with brain damage! I make no claims to being a Theologists the University where I obtained one of my two Graduate degrees makes those claims.....for me Maybe one of his nursemaids said this on here to SL...Ah love it when semi educated people attempt to act like degreed theologians to argue with theologians Degreed Theologian-A professional that has completed a course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.
BTW-who has the brain problem here.Could it be a person with a degree in specialized religious study that starts a blog saying this?Religion in any form is delusional  A delusional Buddhist with a PHD.
Heres another...this ones a real line of BS... I think it very ego like to assume I give a hoot about your opinion or ignorance. ..from the same guy that actually did but might have an alzheimers problem by asking me this...Then share your Direct experience with us where have you been where were you educated to what degree we wish to understand on what your opinionated is based. I am sure it will enlighten us all Wait...not done exposing the liar...yet
Jankia how about sharing with us where and for how long you lived in any other country and just how educated and travel experienced you are. Theres more but I wont get into the game you played on your profile,that was proven a lie long ago. 
Go ahead,make all the fun you like out of my severe head trauma 10 years ago,the God that healed me after medicine did all it could and could do no more is aware of your problem.
Hopefully youll be forgiven when you plead for his help when you most need it.At 65 it might be a good idea to put more thought into that then laughing at young ladies in a public forum. 
I would say more but its just doesnt seem right telling a 65 year old liar to grow up.
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| Sep 2 @ 1:47 PM |
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MrPaul
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Your dogma is sick and by accepting it, you are a potential menace to society. It has nothing to do with your mythical god ..... it has to do with how belief in this deity affects people in general.  Whatever you are smoking you need to stop  
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| Sep 2 @ 1:56 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
Its 2009 saildancer,I know your an old man like the OP that professes to be an educated theologist but you both need to get past your personal diatribe against Christianity and get with the facts of today.
History records everything so try paying attention to more then only what your biased mind can understand.
Pissing and moaning again ..... I see.
Christians constantly insist that christian teachings, dogma, and bible have not changed since taught by the apostles. Please document and explain the changes to christian teachings and dogma that you think have occurred over the last 1500 to 2000 years. If you cannot provide this information, why would you think the atrocities linked to christian dogma recorded in history will not continue to repeat itself?
Are you denying the atrocities attributed to christianity?
Give a detailed explanation why you believe that christian teachings cannot result in a repeat of these atrocities.
I'm getting tired of you and the other christians making claims you cannot substantiate. You are attacking the poster and not the claims that are being made in the post itself. Why?
Peace
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| Sep 2 @ 2:10 PM |
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Jankia
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Are you denying the atrocities attributed to christianity? Not any more then I deny the atrocities attributed to my freedom as an American,but I dont believe America is at fault for WW2 either.
I'm getting tired of you and the other christians making claims you cannot substantiate. You are attacking the poster and not the claims that are being made in the post itself. Why?
Then your well tired of yourself saildancer.Wasnt it you that just said this?
Your dogma is sick and by accepting it, you are a potential menace to society. Substantiate how menacing the Christian belief is to the starving and sick people all over the world it feeds and provides medicine for.
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| Sep 2 @ 2:53 PM |
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southernlass
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Sail: The truth of the matter is that you cannot rebut anything that has been posted. So you make outlandish claims that people posting against the christian desert god are doing so because they are "intimidated by and realize the potency and existence of God".
Mower died, aren't you lucky? (grin)
While I'm waiting for the darn thing to un-flood or whatever the heck is wrong with it, I've already rebutted Iam all over the place with several valid psychiatriac journal articles that have psychitrists, psychiatric researchers and professors stating that the religious are more mentally healthy, along with physically and emotionally healthy, so that's the end of that -- and the claim I'm making here on this thread is that if you weren't intimidated, you wouldn't expend all of your energies attempting to defeat and destroy our "christian desert god," would you?
You just don't get it!
Oh, we get it all right, Sail.
These people consider the christian desert god as a mythical invisible daddy that delusional christians adore without question. These people are not intimidated since they consider your god poppycock. If anything they are more intimidated by the atrocities associated with followers of desert god dogma. History records the dangers (mass murders, genocide, witch hunts, etc.) of the delusional followers of the desert god.
Always history.. history records countless mass murders and genocidal atrocities committed by the atheist non-believers as well, doesn't it? Try again. No, this mythical being -- GOD -- that apparently gets all of you up in arms on a daily basis is someone that you can't stop thinking about, ruminating on, and attempting to fight. When you're not directly fighting Him, you're fighting us.
We are not intimidated by or afraid of any invisible mythical daddy.
Then why the non-stop OBSESSION with Him?
We are. however very skeptical about people like you that allow the dogma of this violent and jealous mythical god to influence your lives.
Your dogma is sick and by accepting it, you are a potential menace to society. It has nothing to do with your mythical god ..... it has to do with how belief in this deity affects people in general.
Nice.
WE are a menace to society.
OUR dogma is sick.
You're obsessed, Sail. And you give us our power. You make us so important. God's already got His own but you make us far more important than you should.
I'm sure Knotty would say the same thing to you, were he here. Or even Uncrazy, for that matter. They would say "your mind is perceiving these things and causing you to feel the resentment you do." yada yada. Or some such. You get my point.
Perhaps some calming chant or a nice, warm meditative bath will soothe you.
 I'm sorry, I just can't help teasing you a little. It's a super nice day outside.
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| Sep 2 @ 3:28 PM |
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Jankia
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It could just be Sounthernlass there is more thats mythical to certain people on here than the God of us all.
Look at the non-Christian members that are on here quite often like BandTmom,Thor,Heaveninawildflower etc.
Noticing there posts in other forums besides this one....they are happy people with who they are and who they chum up with.
Kind of like us Christians arent they.
Then you have the opposite.I wont name them because we all know who they are party due to who they chum up with... but that same happiness in life isnt shown.
Maybe that is also mythical to them because of jealousy.
Jealousy creates anxiety, anger, loneliness, hate, fear and is quite evident in unhappy insecure people.
Jealousy comes about because of the insecurity of the jealous person Scientologist L. Ron Hubbard
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| Sep 2 @ 3:47 PM |
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southernlass
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Yes, Jankia, I see what you're saying and that does make sense.
Alcoholics Anonymous is a spiritual program based upon each person finding a higher power that they can relate to, a God of one's own understanding. Bascially anyone can get sober through the choice to turn themselves over to this power greater than themselves, but they do have to let go of their ego long enough to agree that yes, there is something out there, something more powerful and greater than they are -- they can call it whatever they like, but the point is that when they find it and begin a relationship with it, things change in their lives and many people get and stay sober.
This spiritual program was practically life-saving for me in that I had drifted far from God, though I never stopped loving Him internally. AA brought me back to Him again, and thus I can relate to Heaven and the other deists here, because my initial conception of God when I came into that spiritual program was that of a non-punitive, non-judgmental God, because this is what I wanted and needed Him to be. Of course, I've since discovered that this is unrealistic, from my own perspective, based upon numerous things which I won't go into -- but the point is that I agree with you that anyone who believes in something and is attempting to reach out to whatever they think God/Creator/It/Force/Energy/or whatever is, I think they will benefit --
I have hope that when God sees people reaching out to Him, truly desiring to know Him, through whatever way, that He will have mercy upon them and bring them closer to Him through a variety of methods, which eventually lead them to know the salvation of Jesus Christ.
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| Sep 2 @ 4:02 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
Not any more then I deny the atrocities attributed to my freedom as an American,but I dont believe America is at fault for WW2 either. Your example just shows that you either missed the point or that you are in denial of the types of atrocities committed by so called righteous christians.
A better example would be how America all but eliminated the American Indian Nation. We took their land, butchered them and forced them to live on reservations.
Christian history is filled with this type of atrocity. Are you trying to say that the Inquisition was only a bunch of christians protecting themselves? If so ..... from whom? Are you saying that witch hunts were conducted in retaliation for things these so called witches did against christians? If so explain and justify witch burnings.
You may be able to justify America's entry into WWI, WWII and other conflicts, but you cannot justify what America did to the Indians or black slaves. America has taken steps to correct this type of atrocity from happening in the future by changing its laws to protect all nationalities.
Exactly how has christianity changed its dogma and teachings to assure that crusades, inqusitions and witch hunts will not occur in the future? The answer is that they have done nothing in this regard. Secular laws have restricted and inhibited christianity from continuing its violent and evil methods to spread its sick dogma.
You also posted:Substantiate how menacing the Christian belief is to the starving and sick people all over the world it feeds and provides medicine for. No one is saying that christianity ignores the needy. We are saying they use the needy to expand their influence throughout the world. Lets face it, if a person is hungry or has other needs, providing these needs while indoctrinating them is a great way to convert them. If christianity were truly concerned about the needy, they would provide this assistance without the use of missionaries. They would send the relief and respect the spiritual beliefs of those being helped without trying to convert them.
Christians always warn about selling your soul to the devil. I warn people about selling their soul to the mythical desert god of christianity.
Peace
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| Sep 2 @ 4:32 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Then you have the opposite.I wont name them because we all know who they are party due to who they chum up with... but that same happiness in life isnt shown.
Maybe that is also mythical to them because of jealousy.
Jealousy creates anxiety, anger, loneliness, hate, fear and is quite evident in unhappy insecure people. What a joke!
Many of us have other activities in our lives beside MD. Because of this I limited myself to posting in R&S. When I first joined MD I did participate in other forums.
I happen to be an avid sailor and enjoy sailing the Gulf of Mexico often. I am happy with my lifestyle and enjoy my life to the fullest. When not sailing, I enjoy dancing and socializing at the local pub. When it comes to a choice between posting in R&S, sailing the Gulf or dancing with my special other ..... R&S finishes in a distant third.
Why do I post to R&S?
I think my posts speak for themselves. I think it is time for all people to come together as one and for peace to finally settle on earth. The desert god religions teach separation and create opposing groups that threaten peace.
Peace
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| Sep 2 @ 7:02 PM |
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Jankia
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Your example just shows that you either missed the point or that you are in denial of the types of atrocities committed by so called righteous christians.
A better example would be how America all but eliminated the American Indian Nation. We took their land, butchered them and forced them to live on reservations OK,your an American,that makes you a menace to society and a blatant lieing thief that forced the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears that you murdered 4000 people doing.
Feel better now that I stooped low like yourself and blamed you for what the people of freedom did almost 200 years ago?
What a joke!
Many of us have other activities in our lives beside MD. Because of this I limited myself to posting in R&S. When I first joined MD I did participate in other forums.
I happen to be an avid sailor and enjoy sailing the Gulf of Mexico often. I am happy with my lifestyle and enjoy my life to the fullest. When not sailing, I enjoy dancing and socializing at the local pub. When it comes to a choice between posting in R&S, sailing the Gulf or dancing with my special other ..... R&S finishes in a distant third.
If my comment was such a joke why did you see the need to tell everyone how happy you are?
Could it be your a tad insecure and jealous of the security in others that you had to prove you werent?
BTW-Yasheanka twice tried desperatly to get me to prove a few things about myself yesterday.
It wasnt out of curiosity so much as it was out of jealousy IMO.
Jealousy that this old farmer from "Hicksville" thats never been out of the US and Canada and doesnt have a college degree....is happy with life as a father,a Christian and actually was successfull on this dating site.
People that are visibly happy prove there happiness in what they do and how they display themselves.People that arent can only hope they can prove it by telling us they are... instead of showing us.
Why do I post to R&S?
I think my posts speak for themselves
Yes they do sail.For example just on this page.Your dogma is sick and by accepting it, you are a potential menace to society
Peace
That does speak like a hypocrite of ones self.
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| Sep 2 @ 9:56 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
OK,your an American,that makes you a menace to society and a blatant lieing thief that forced the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears that you murdered 4000 people doing.
Feel better now that I stooped low like yourself and blamed you for what the people of freedom did almost 200 years ago? Yes! America has done many things that have stained the story of its growth to a powerful and frree nation. The difference is that America learned by its mistakes and took steps to assure equality of all races.
America now teaches equality for all and has changed and added laws to enforce it so that the atrocities of the past will never occur again.
You have not shown how christianity has taken the necessary steps to assure that its historic atrocities will never happen again.
Why do you continue to dodge this question?
You insist that current day christian dogma does not support such atrocities. If that is the case, please provide us with the changes that have been made to christian teachings and dogma to assure that their past atrocities do not happen again.
You also posted:That does speak like a hypocrite of ones self As I've said many times ..... I believe that the desert god religions, based on historic proof, have hindered any secular steps to acheive peace on this earth.
So where am I hypocritical?
Peace
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| Sep 2 @ 10:19 PM |
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iam01
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Concepts of God or of gods are excuses for gaps in knowledge of the actual world. God is the joker card in the game of theology. Something about the world or the universe you need answers for? Just pull out the Joker God Card. Someone asks you a difficult question? Pull out the Joker God Card. Its very easy...
For example:
Q) Where did world come from?
A) God made it.
Q) Where do stars come from?
A) God made it.
Q) Where do fish come from?
A) God made fish.
Q) Why do people die?
A) Its God's plan.
Q) How did Aunt Ester get better?
A) God made her better..
Q) How did one little girl survive that plane crash when 200 people got killed?
A) It was a miracle. God saved the little girl.
Any question you got you can always give an answer with the Joker God Card..
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| Sep 2 @ 11:06 PM |
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Jankia
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Sail-Until you find a way to quit dodging what people actually say in this forum by changing it into whatever you want it to say...I will dodge a lame question like the one you asked.
But...I'll forgive your problem and answer the question you should have asked,instead of the biased one you did.
You have not shown how christianity has taken the necessary steps to assure that its historic atrocities will never happen again. Instead I'll answer this one..
What are some examples of what Christianity has done that is necessary to help assure us that the historic atrocities done by man in the name of Christianity never happen again?
In 2007 Christian leaders welcomed the letter of peace by 138 Islamic scholars calling for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity.The Archbishop of Canterbury agreed..."The call to respect, peace and goodwill should now be taken up by Christians and Muslims at all levels and in all countries."
There are thousands of Christian ministries throughout the world, along with millions of churches, that reflect the call of peacemaking through Christ.
Apologies that the popes have made for the horrible acts of violence that the Catholic Church committed dont assure it wont happen again but do assure effort in their trying to avoid it. The Church is now devoted more towards genuine tolerance, and respect for other religious groups and nations.
So where am I hypocritical? I already showed you...I know,you dont read well but how many people have questioned your use of the word Peace after you incite trouble by your constant altering of whats said?
An act that has gotten to the point of expected BS from you.
That said in complete honesty with no disrespect intended.
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