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alaskenmike
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I have been asked why it is that Christians run homeless shelters and told that while Christians run homeless shelters, atheists do not do anything for humanity. While I would have to say that each atheist has their own level of involvement, I would like to add that it is kind of creepy that the majority of homeless shelters throughout this country is run by Christian groups. And I am afraid that if you look hard and long enough, you will see that Christianity infiltrates hospitals and prisons, installing clergy and Christianity is trying to push it’s way into schools.
By getting into the majority of these areas, they have access to people in their weakest moments, build trust and try to indoctrinate them. I know that this sounds quite paranoid but they ARE trying to get to people in their most stressful, weak states in order to brainwash them into believing the Jesus nonsense. They ARE abusing people in their most vulnerable state. Many organizations make no secret of this and thus, they work to keep those down by dragging them into believing a religion that has serious ramifications for the whole of society.
I have seen homeless shelters that require their clients who want to have a bed there to attend classes to implant ideas into their head about Christianity that are just not true. They work to try to make people believe that believing in a man that just isn’t there and in fantasy and they put a stipulation on it. They even try to blame the people in the shelter of sinning, implying it is their own fault that they are in a homeless shelter. This is very manipulative and it is a very dark, creepy thing that these religious people do.
But if you point this out to them, they will continue to do it anyway and would even deny clients services if you disrupt their programmes. I have investigated a number of programmes throughout the country and many of the programmes, especially in the Bible Belt, require classes where the Christian doctrine of lies is presented to the clients. This is abusive and it really needs to stop.
Of course, as I mentioned above, homeless shelters are not the only places that people are targeted to be brainwashed into Christianity. I have talked with a few people who were incarcerated in the Denver County Jail and have said that the only book they were allowed to have was a copy of the Christian Bible.
I am going to look into this further so that we can help stop this if it was true but I do seriously believe it. If you want a break from the cell block, one of those things that you can do is go talk with the chaplain. Really, a person who will listen and not judge you is something that everyone needs and sadly, these people are here to try to be that person, but at a serious cost that I will mention later.
As I said before, there is a serious cost to believing in the Christian faith, a human cost. The first one is that it inspires homophobia and transphobia and even consolidates it in communities of colour. This traps people of colour in the ignorance of the Christian faith, because of their brainwashing in times of crisis. And of course, if a person reforms their act, they will think that they were helped by Christianity, and since Christianity advocates for the use of brutal actions towards your fellow humans and discrimination, I hardly think Christianity helped.
It is truly a plague in communities of colour and it needs to be extricated as soon as we possibly can extricate it. This is a mission that I am deeply committed to, helping communities of colour rise up from the ignorance of Christianity and other dogmatic religions to see for themselves how much better life is when you treasure the world in the here and now rather than working for paradise in the afterlife and suffering now. The here and now is all we have, and it’s time that we stopped lying to people to make them believe otherwise.
Published by Jessica
jessicasideways.com
on 1 June 2009.
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| Sep 3 @ 11:10 PM |
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MrPaul
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We help because we care.  No one makes one go to a shelter  most of the time one ends up at a shelter because of POOR life choices, drugs, alcohol etc  And one is free to leave anytime they desire.  .Does it bother you that much that there is a GOD that loves you and wants you to have a better life ?  He loves you so much he even gives you FREEWILL and lets you make the choice to accept him or walk away from him. Just as one has the choice to go to a shelter get help, food, a warm place to live, job training, medical help etc.
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| Sep 3 @ 11:13 PM |
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alaskenmike
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Spoken, like an old christian devil ..you. 
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| Sep 3 @ 11:22 PM |
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MrPaul
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Was it the recovery program that you didnt like? Were you forced to go there,  or choose to on your own Our recovery programs
The Fairbanks Rescue Mission was founded to provide service to the poor,
needy, homeless and transient population of Fairbanks. The Mission tries to meet both spiritual and physical needs in helping people to be restored to a correct relationship with God and a productive relationship with society. As an arm of the Christian church, the Mission ministers to the least, the last and the lost.
Men’s Recovery Program is open to those who have a sincere desire for a Fresh Start. The program of Biblical training and self-discipline through a full daily schedule is designed to start a person on the road to recovery including help to find a job and teaching job survival skills. See the Men’s Chaplain for more information.
Women’s Recovery Program This recovery program is for women with or without children. Unique to Fairbanks it centers on an individual contract for each woman entering the program. See the Women’s Chaplain for more information.
[Edited on 9/4/2009 12:56 AM]
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| Sep 3 @ 11:26 PM |
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alaskenmike
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There is God and there is religion...Christians are all about religion.
God and Christian religion have nothing in common if any…and, I know this from the "horse's mouth"...but that’s another thread entirely. 
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| Sep 3 @ 11:43 PM |
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MrPaul
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I know this from the "horse's mouth"...but that’s another thread entirely .
So God has talked to you You tend to paint with a mighty broad brush  The most important relationship one can have is their relationship with Jesus. Not a building, or a organization. 
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| Sep 3 @ 11:51 PM |
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ForumMod
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alaskan mike, i don't think it's clear that this topic is a copy of someone else's blog (their opinion, not necessarily 'fact').
the original, with repsonses, can be found here:
http://jessicasideways.com/blog/1147-why-do-christians-run-homeless-shelters/#more-1147
along with crediting the author (which you did) please use the quote feature and provide a link when you copy/paste someone else's words. unless of course you are jessica.
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| Sep 4 @ 12:43 AM |
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MrPaul
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Thank you Mod man  unless of course you are jessica 
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| Sep 4 @ 12:52 AM |
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MrPaul
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There was a time that I thought I had my entire life planned out. I was going to move to Canada, go to a bible college, marry a beautiful woman, be a husband and youth minister and have a pretty orderly life. Somewhere along the way I sat down and thought about what I really wanted out of life. And it led me to places I never thought I’d go…
Welcome to The Adventures of Jessica Sideways, the personal website of an atheistic male-to-female transsexual pansexual . God and Christian religion have nothing in common if any…and, I know this from the "horse's mouth Mike is this your source of knowledge
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| Sep 4 @ 1:03 AM |
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travelwoman
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Isn't that a hoot?
All those deep thoughts about the Christians supposedly taking over the poor souls in dispair.... it's all a ... COPY AND PASTE... 
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| Sep 4 @ 5:56 AM |
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BandTMom
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Here is another classic example of a person trying to cram everyone in the same box.
Give it a rest guys.....there are good and bad in every labeled group. 
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| Sep 4 @ 6:16 AM |
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uab_5
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It could be worse...BO could ban Christian run homeless shelters and food banks, and the poor sods could starve and freeze! 
The Bible is very clear to us that we are to uncondionally help those in prison, on the street, in hospitals, on the sauce, and otherwise in trouble.
Mike,
Why don't you relate your own experiences with homeless shelters to us?
In late August 2004, after a massive psychiatrictric disaster that cost me EVERYTHING, I found myself in a homeless shelter that happen to be run by Christians.
I was only there a week before gong to another hospital and on to my cousin's and aunt's home to recover, before facing my father as the prodigal son.
Eventually, I found Christ...on His terms after my mind some what straigthen out and Mom died.
He lead me on to an adventure that is another altogether!
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| Sep 4 @ 6:48 AM |
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BandTMom
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The Bible is very clear to us that we are to uncondionally help those in prison, on the street, in hospitals, on the sauce, and otherwise in trouble.
As living beings, we should be helping others, period. It's not just the Bible that teaches taking care of one another. 
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| Sep 4 @ 7:57 AM |
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Banned_Knots
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All the major religions run programs. Few spout about it.
Not just for people but for all sentient beings.
I guess you hear about the Christian programs more than others because of the majority populaces.
However, the root cause of poverty isnt to feed the poor and care for the sick but to put in place the factors that prevent it in the first place. Unfortunately the USA is far behind most countries on a welfare system.
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| Sep 4 @ 7:58 AM |
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iam01
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I know this from the "horse's mouth"...but that’s another thread entirely. Mr Ed?
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| Sep 4 @ 8:33 AM |
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yashaenka
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Nearly 300,000 veterans are homeless on any given night, and almost half served during the Vietnam era, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition, a consortium of community-based homeless-veteran service providers. While some experts have questioned the degree to which mental trauma from combat causes homelessness, a large number of veterans live with the long-term effects of post-traumatic stress disorder and substance abuse, according to the coalition.
Some homeless-veteran advocates fear that similar combat experiences in Vietnam and Iraq mean that these first few homeless veterans from Iraq are the crest of a wave.
"This is what happened with the Vietnam vets. I went to Vietnam," said John Keaveney, chief operating officer of New Directions, a shelter and drug-and-alcohol treatment program for veterans in Los Angeles. That city has an estimated 27,000 homeless veterans, the largest such population in the nation. "It is like watching history being repeated," Keaveney said.
Data from the Department of Veterans Affairs shows that as of last July, nearly 28,000 veterans from Iraq sought health care from the VA. One out of every five was diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the VA. An Army study in the New England Journal of Medicine in July showed that 17 percent of service members returning from Iraq met screening criteria for major depression, generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD You clowns that are classifying homeless people take note! Right now there are millions of normal homeless people that have been thrown out of their homes due to being sucked in on a mortgage they did not fully understand.
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| Sep 4 @ 8:53 AM |
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iam01
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I think the point is that Christianity exploits people who are suffering a disaster in their lives and then brainwashes them. It doesn't matter if its an economic crisis, a tsunami, a war or on skid row. They give them food and shelter and expect a convert Jesus freak in return. They really are not concerned with helping anyone unconditionally. They're looking for a business deal. That's the undertow. There is the surface appearance but the underlying agenda is to proselytize.
Christians are not even concerned with saving or protecting lives. They seek converts even if it kills them..
Here is one Christian psychopath who is a director admitting their missionary activities lead to people dying. Starts at the 2:00 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHesVH-MUEc
When asked in this report if his organization's activities can lead to people dying, Todd Nettleton, Director of Media Development for The Voice of the Martyrs, responds, "Our activities can lead to people dying, and we understand that...but, the reality is an eternity with Christ in heaven is so far better than an eternity in hell that it is a good deal. It's a good decision, even if it results in physical punishment here on earth."
Christian fanatics are really sick people.
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| Sep 4 @ 9:00 AM |
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yashaenka
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I still shudder when I think of the men in prison that Bev treated
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| Sep 4 @ 9:02 AM |
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iam01
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Talk about cruel and unusual punishment...
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| Sep 4 @ 9:02 AM |
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southernlass
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Here is another classic example of a person trying to cram everyone in the same box.
Give it a rest guys.....there are good and bad in every labeled group.
BandTMom, I just thought I would mention that I've seen a difference in your postings in the last week or two. You seem more impartial - less bias toward my side of the aisle. I'm not sure what it is that has ocurred in this regard, but I'm impressed. I noticed you being different over in Politics too. You're more open to everyone's point of view and I must say it's an impressive change in attitude.
As for the topic, it's a generalizing, biased accusation/implication that I find disturbing and annoying, all at the same time. There is little to be said about it, short of the paranoia and negativity are up there on the scale of looking for the bad amongst others -- on the other hand, Christians have their own paranoia going on (with good reason, imo) based upon biblical prophecy, so I'm not going to bitch.
I do think this is an unfair accusation though and probably has little grounding in truth.
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