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yashaenka
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God requires no evangelists. If God wanted the world to know about its funky new religion, it would tell the world directly and everyone would instantaneously know about it. It wouldn't need inefficient humans to translate and write books for it! The only possible reason that evangelists evangelize is selfishness:
* They think that if they evangelize they will get themselves into heaven (selfishness)
* People tell others' because it increases their own sense of self-worth (deluded psychology)
But it is obvious that evangelists are going against God's will, if God has a will. If God wanted someone to know something, and it was right for them to know it, God would tell that person directly. There is no point in doing it any other way. The only reason people need to tell each other things is if it is things that God doesn't think it is best for them to know. This absurd state of affairs means that evangelists are least godly, trusting least in the abilities of God to tell people what they need to know!
 Evangelism is selfish
[Edited on 9/15/2009 9:08 AM]
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| Sep 15 @ 9:07 AM |
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yashaenka
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Conclusion
Praying is pointless because God knows everything we are thinking, we don't need to tell it things. Praying is for ourselves and is essentially selfish, a self-help psychology disguised as religious behaviour. An omniscient God doesn't need us to pray. Also as God is everywhere it doesn't need us to go to specific places to do specific things. The reasons we do so are social reasons, or in other words, egotistical and materialistic reasons disguised as "religion". God can tell us anything we need to know, and if there are things we need to know, a perfectly good-god would tell us. Therefore evangelism is pointless, merely a social exercise that feeds the ego of the evangelists. God therefore doesn't need prophets such as Jesus, Muhammad, or magical tricks such as the Resurrection, to tell the world what it wants the world to know. If it is good for us to know something, God would tell everyone instantly and directly, not via magical tricks and public relations stunts. God, as all-powerful and the facilitator of our personalities and consciousness, does not need the operation of "souls". All these things are trappings and frauds of religious neurosis and deluded minds.
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| Sep 15 @ 10:34 AM |
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Angel54214
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Vexen Crabtree is a Satanic Evangelist of his own elite... 
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| Sep 15 @ 11:02 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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to the topic...... 
If we look at the verse being referenced we see it was not spoken to the general flock but to the leadership - the Apostles.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
We see this because it is spoken in the context of the membership correcting members of the flock and ruling authoritatively on issues of doctrine.
Therefore this statement is made to the same people which were given the authority to bind and loose, and that makes no sense as an authority given to every Christian as the result would be conflicting decisions and understandings (in other words chaos) being bound in heaven.
So YES, where ever two or more who have apostolic succession are gathered in His name - there is where you find the Church.
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| Sep 15 @ 1:27 PM |
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Angel54214
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to the topic......  ^^Changed the Topic^^
From
Evangelism is selfish
And
The OP quote that was written by Vexen Crabtree
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| Sep 15 @ 2:16 PM |
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iam01
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To all Christians.....
Evangelizing has about as much class as exposing one's genitals in public. Responding to someone evangelizing with laughter is therefore the appropriate response. There is little or no shock value because Christians have exposed themselves with ludicrous and ridiculous unoriginal ideas for so long that its become as interesting as scratching ones nails on a blackboard. They don't seem to learn anything from this however. They seem incapable of evaluating any feedback from the public yet they continue to use the same raft of unexamined ideas and glibly held beliefs that would embarrass a child playing make-believe .
The truth is your beliefs are nothing but an accident of birth. If you had been born in India your beliefs would be about Vishnu or Lord Shiva. If you had been born in Viking Norway then your pretend truths would be about Odin and Thor. In every case you would think your beliefs are right and everyone elses is wrong. If this doesn't embarrass you then the only explanation is that you may have forgone all knowledge, logic and reasoning and have been so hypnotized for so long you don't know up from down. Just the same, those who are gullible enough to buy into the evangelizing crap have the same intellectual deficits.
What's the point of continuing the evangelize? We've heard the sales pitch so many thousands of times that we have it all memorized almost word for word. Christians must know they're just repeating the same script and know the rest of us knows scripture isn't worth the paper its printed on. So why keep blowing the wind around, wasting energy when it might better be spent rending one's garments, flagellation yourself, gnashing your teeth or wherever it is you do to relax and unwind?
I see evangelical preachers to be no different than a used car salesman or salesmen that sell cheap cars. When I'm walking around a Mercedes or BMW showroom, I'm greeted and then left alone to walk around a bit. At a Toyota or Honda showroom the salesman glues himself to you and follow you around like some idiot in suspense. Obviously we're dealing with very different mentalities here. One respects intelligence, the other insults it. If evangelical Christians weren't selling garbage in the first place then maybe they too would have enough respect for your intelligence to let you decide for yourself when you were ready to buy something from them but that day will never come.
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| Sep 15 @ 3:17 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Evangelism is selfish
Any religion based on a belief in anthropomorphic, personal god and a geocentric universe is not only selfish, but the epitome of egotism and anthropocentrism in my opinion. 
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| Sep 15 @ 4:01 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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anyone who does not believe that there is an afterlife...is destined to be only worm food....
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| Sep 15 @ 8:43 PM |
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iam01
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Not if you go up in smoke.
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| Sep 15 @ 9:09 PM |
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j_goose
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anyone who does not believe that there is an afterlife...is destined to be only worm food....
SOMEbody's gotta feed them.....
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| Sep 15 @ 9:24 PM |
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Deborah551
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What's the point of continuing the evangelize? We've heard the sales pitch so many thousands of times that we have it all memorized almost word for word. Christians must know they're just repeating the same script and know the rest of us knows scripture isn't worth the paper its printed on. So why keep blowing the wind around, wasting energy when it might better be spent rending one's garments, flagellation yourself, gnashing your teeth or wherever it is you do to relax and unwind? It's called The Great Commission and Jesus said to go into all the world and preach the gospel (Whatever that is) to all people. They don't care if you come, they just do it because Jesus told them to. It was the part of Christianity I hated the most. Handing out tracts, knocking on doors and telling others about Jesus. I never liked it but did it because it's The Great Commission and you have to do it if you want Jesus to love you. What a sick and warped way of thinking. Fortunately, I never totally bought it all as I was able to think about the things the church taught and if it didn't make sense I couldn't accept it. Over the years, more and more things didn't make sense before I left church forever.
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| Sep 15 @ 9:38 PM |
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Angel54214
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To the Kogi Tribe people of the Amazon, computers don't make any sense, therefore they have no use of them. Once taught, most likely would wonder how they lived without it. LOL.
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| Sep 15 @ 9:47 PM |
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iam01
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Computers are far more useful and beneficial to people that have electricity and internet access. The jungle might be too remote however. As for indoctrinating indigenous people with useless dogma that has nothing to do with them would probably ruin them as it did countless other indigenous people world wide.
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| Sep 15 @ 10:59 PM |
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yashaenka
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Evangelizing has about as much class as exposing one's genitals in public. Iam tells how you really feel
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| Sep 15 @ 11:35 PM |
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iam01
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Well, I could have posted a photo..
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| Sep 15 @ 11:41 PM |
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yashaenka
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 not him again
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| Sep 15 @ 11:47 PM |
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Jankia
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Just checking this out to see which clown yashaenka decided to quote on this one and like most of the others he does...its basic nonsense from the get go.
Anyone,be they an evangelist or not that tries to spread the word of Jesus can hardly be selfish.
Sharing isnt spelled selfish...duh
This ones a real laugher...
People tell others' because it increases their own sense of self-worth So Mr Vexen Crabtree doesnt feel worthy so he tells Christians they are selfish.
If he thinks hes a better person for doing that, then good for him,Mommy will be so proud!
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| Sep 15 @ 11:56 PM |
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iam01
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Its not just selfish. Its a neurotic compulsion.
[Edited on 9/16/2009 12:02 AM]
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| Sep 16 @ 8:12 AM |
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yashaenka
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Christianity is Massively Varied
Christianity is not a single, ancient religion. It is a series of religions all given the same name. Many assume that only modern Christianity to be what Christianity is. Some historical forms of Christianity have made more sense, and some have made less sense, than the Christian mythology that is common today.
?In the second and third centuries there were, of course, Christians who believed in one God. But there were others who insisted that there were two. Some said there were thirty. Others claimed there were 365.?
"Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman (2003), p2
?'Christianity' as a single religion is not 2,000 years old. A series of varied different religions, flowing on from one another, have all called themselves "Christian". Rightly so. But the beliefs and form has changed so much from time to time that it is best to consider Christianity a series of religions and the word "Christianity" to be an umbrella term for multiple faiths all of which have the same name but different beliefs.?
"History of Christianity" by Vexen Crabtree (2003)
Unfortunately for hundreds of years until the Enlightenment, it was thought that modern-day Christianity in its various forms, represented early Christianity. It hardly does. Not only is Christianity now varied, but it has always been highly varied.
?The historian, in speaking of Christianity, has to be careful to recognize the very great changes that it has undergone, and the variety of forms that it may assume even at one epoch.?
"History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell (1946), p290
?In the first few centuries CE there really was no such thing as 'the Church', only competing factions, of which the Literalists were one.?
"Jesus Mysteries" by Freke & Gandy [Book Review] (1999), p266
So what were the original, ancient forms of Christianity like? What happened to them? We will see! Christianity is varied
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| Sep 16 @ 9:28 AM |
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iam01
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It's called The Great Commission and Jesus said to go into all the world and preach the gospel (Whatever that is) to all people.
And they convinced far fewer people than imagined which is why force was used. Such force that a whole era was created, the Inquisitions. Later centuries, explorers would bring Jesuits with them setting up missionaries to destroy indigenous cultures. They forcefully took children from their parents and forced fed them a delusional doctrine to create a new generation of mental slaves. Many were physical slaves too. A sure sign that you have defeated a people
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