| Sep 23 @ 12:19 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
j_goose
Posts: 2,911
|
If Jesus was an obseriving Jew, why did he die id scripture states....
Deuteronomy 24:16 (New International Version)
16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
How many other laws did Jesus break?
|
|
  |
|
| Sep 23 @ 12:26 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
southernlass
Posts: 2,240
|
Well, I guess God can make exceptions as He pleases, when He pleases. It's His world as far as I'm concerned, so He gets to call the shots. Even if He isn't necessarily consistent in following His own many varied commandments (not just the ten), I'm not going to call Him on it.
It will be interesting to see what Pastor Don thinks, should he get around to this thread.
My particular opinion is that God loves us all so much that He made the exception with Jesus Christ, His son, because of His great love for us, and because there was no other way to absolve our sin debt.
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 12:41 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
Angel54214
Posts: 18,201
|
How many other laws did Jesus break?
I wasn't aware that Jesus hung himself...
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 12:44 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
j_goose
Posts: 2,911
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 12:47 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
southernlass
Posts: 2,240
|
I wasn't aware that Jesus hung himself...
Good point, Angel.
God knew it would happen though. He could have stopped it. He allowed it.
Free will in action yet again...
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 12:59 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
j_goose
Posts: 2,911
|
Jesus stole...
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 2:08 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
Angel54214
Posts: 18,201
|
"[Jesus] sent two of his disciples
He didn't go with the disciples, he only sent them while he stayed. And if the disciples were stealing, why didn't the men stop and have them arrested?
There's more to it, but will refrain... 
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 9:40 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
yashaenka
Posts: 8,274
|
If the past does not exist in the instant now of our true reality and neither does the future as the future never comes to us or do we advance into the future, how can writings and interpretations of antiquity apply to us now since it is dead and gone?
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 9:50 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
j_goose
Posts: 2,911
|
God knew it would happen though. He could have stopped it. He allowed it.
Free will in action yet again...
No free will in the crucifixion. JeusHAD to die. (God's will, remember?) Jesus didn't want to die, he only did it beccause god required it.
Besides, if Jesus stopped the crucifixion, he wouldn't be much of a messiah, now would he?
It would make all the "supposed"' prophecies wrong. Jesus (according to Christians) was predestined to die on the cross.
He didn't go with the disciples, he only sent them while he stayed. And if the disciples were stealing, why didn't the men stop and have them arrested?
The planner of a crime would also be guilty of that crime. So at the very least, Jesus is guilty of Conspiracy to commit theft.
Imagine you owned a real nice car, and someone jumped in it and revved the engine..
You ask why he is in the car, and he replies "God needs it"
Aside from getting knocked out, he'd be arrested for theft.....
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 10:07 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
yashaenka
Posts: 8,274
|
Is it not strange that Jesus is said to be condemned to death for blasphemy by his own admission by proclaiming himself the King of the Jews and in Roman times that was a capital offense.
Yet there is no official Roman record of this event yet there is plenty of records of others being condemned in those times, very curious.
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 3:08 PM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
Thor1960303
Posts: 3,345
|
Deuteronomy 24:16 (New International Version)
16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
Also under this, humanity shouldn't have been punished for Adam's sin.
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 23 @ 4:31 PM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
CPUfan
Posts: 7,983
|
I thought this was actually going to be about another, equally interesting question. It never made much sense to me why JC might have been "resurrected" only to die again later. He was resurrected to show he was immortal, then he died. Hmmm
We should maybe take this to another thread?  
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 12:34 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
If Jesus was an obseriving Jew, why did he die id scripture states....
Deuteronomy 24:16 (New International Version)
16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
So, if your father committed murder, the law could not execute you for his crime.
But this law--in fact, no law--makes it a crime to sacrifice oneself to save the life of someone else. Suicide is illegal, but throwing myself into the path of a speeding car--and so, choosing to be killed--in order to shove an inattentive pedestrian out of the way is not illegal. It is not suicide. In such a case, I would be choosing to die for another's "sin" (carelessness).
LIkewise, being the innocent Son of God, Jesus was able to die in our place--in a sense, throwing HImself in the line of fire, for our sins.
In other words, Deut.24:16 is not talking about someone who sacrifices himself/herself to save others from their mistakes/sins.
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 12:36 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
How many other laws did Jesus break?
Do you really think Jesus broke God's law by laying down His life to save us?
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 12:46 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
Jesus stole...
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
There is a parallel account of this in both Matthew and Mark. By comparing accounts, you can get a fuller picture of what all happened. Listen to Mark's account (11:3). Jesus says, "And if anyone says to you, 'Why are you doing this?', you say, 'The Lord has need of it'; and immediately he will send it back here.'...And some of the bystanders were saying to them (the disciples send to get the colt), 'What are you doing, untying the colt?' And they spoke to them just as Jesus had told them, and they gave them permission."
In other words, Goose, Jesus didn't steal the colt, He was given permission to borrow the colt.
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 1:00 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
Is it not strange that Jesus is said to be condemned to death for blasphemy by his own admission by proclaiming himself the King of the Jews and in Roman times that was a capital offense.
Yet there is no official Roman record of this event yet there is plenty of records of others being condemned in those times, very curious.
Yash, the Jewish leaders accused Jesus of blasphemy because He confessed to being the Son of God (Matt.26:63-66, in any version of the Bible): if you are nothing more than a man, and yet claim to be God, then that is blasphemy. However, Jesus was not guilty of blasphemy because He was indeed God.
The charge that He was "King of the Jews"--an earthly king--was not based upon Jesus' claim for Himself. He never claimed to be, or called Himself, "King of the Jews." In fact, before Pilate, He clearly said that He was a King, but that His kingdom is "not of this world" (John 18:36). And, Pilate believed Jesus, as shown by his going back out to the Jews and declaring, "I find no guilt in Him." That is, Pilate accepted the fact that Jesus was no earthly king.
And so, yes, there is "no official Roman record" of Jesus' being charged with being a king.
Actually, it was Pilate himself who wrote the inscription above Jesus, "King of the Jews"--and he did it only as a dig against the Jews (John 19:19-22) who had just intimidated him into passing the death sentence on Jesus.
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 1:04 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
Deuteronomy 24:16 (New International Version)
16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
Also under this, humanity shouldn't have been punished for Adam's sin.
Amen, Thor. Especially due to the doctrinal system promoted by John Calvin (inspired by Augustine...who had been inspired by the gnostics), many Christians teach that we inherit Adam's sin. However, Rom.5:12 says, "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" In other words, we don't die for Adam's sin, but we die for our own sin.
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 1:07 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
I thought this was actually going to be about another, equally interesting question. It never made much sense to me why JC might have been "resurrected" only to die again later. He was resurrected to show he was immortal, then he died. Hmmm
We should maybe take this to another thread?
CPU, why do you say that Jesus had to "die again later"? What are you basing this on?
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 1:15 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again?
|
|
pastordon
Posts: 624
|
If the past does not exist in the instant now of our true reality and neither does the future as the future never comes to us or do we advance into the future, how can writings and interpretations of antiquity apply to us now since it is dead and gone?
Yash, though the past does not exist, the events of the past do impact the present...just as the events of the present will impact the future.
And the thing is, we humans really haven't changed: our basic problems, needs, and attitudes are all the same as they have been from the beginning. And "the living and abiding Word of God" (I Pet.1:23) will always be relevant to them.
|
|
| |
|
| Sep 24 @ 1:22 AM |
So....Why Did Jesus Die Again? |
|
Angel54214
Posts: 18,201
|
No free will in the crucifixion. JeusHAD to die. (God's will, remember?) Jesus didn't want to die, he only did it beccause god required it.
Jesus called himself "son of man" remember? Jesus had to die just as all humans in the flesh have to die. For Jesus it was not that he had to die, it was the way he died that fullfilled the OT prophesies as they were told hundreds of years before he came into the world.
Did Jesus want to die? Read John 17. Did Jesus want to suffer in his death? Read Matthew 26:38-39.
|
| |
|
|
|
|