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yashaenka
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The revelations of ultraviolet light testing
In 1933, the British Museum in London purchased the Sinai Bible from the Soviet government for £100,000, of which £65,000 was gifted by public subscription. Prior to the acquisition, this Bible was displayed in the Imperial Library in St Petersburg, Russia, and "few scholars had set eyes on it" (The Daily Telegraph and Morning Post, 11 January 1938, p. 3). When it went on display in 1933 as "the oldest Bible in the world" (ibid.), it became the centre of a pilgrimage unequalled in the history of the British Museum.
Before I summarise its conflictions, it should be noted that this old codex is by no means a reliable guide to New Testament study as it contains superabundant errors and serious re-editing. These anomalies were exposed as a result of the months of ultraviolet-light tests carried out at the British Museum in the mid-1930s. The findings revealed replacements of numerous passages by at least nine different editors. Photographs taken during testing revealed that ink pigments had been retained deep in the pores of the skin. The original words were readable under ultraviolet light. Anybody wishing to read the results of the tests should refer to the book written by the researchers who did the analysis: the Keepers of the Department of Manuscripts at the British Museum (Scribes and Correctors of the Codex Sinaiticus, H. J. M. Milne and T. C. Skeat, British Museum, London, 1938).
Forgery in the Gospels
When the New Testament in the Sinai Bible is compared with a modern-day New Testament, a staggering 14,800 editorial alterations can be identified. These amendments can be recognised by a simple comparative exercise that anybody can and should do. Serious study of Christian origins must emanate from the Sinai Bible's version of the New Testament, not modern editions.
Of importance is the fact that the Sinaiticus carries three Gospels since rejected: the Shepherd of Hermas (written by two resurrected ghosts, Charinus and Lenthius), the Missive of Barnabas and the Odes of Solomon. Space excludes elaboration on these bizarre writings and also discussion on dilemmas associated with translation variations.
Modern Bibles are five removes in translation from early editions, and disputes rage between translators over variant interpretations of more than 5,000 ancient words. However, it is what is not written in that old Bible that embarrasses the Church, and this article discusses only a few of those omissions. One glaring example is subtly revealed in the Encyclopaedia Biblica (Adam & Charles Black, London, 1899, vol. iii, p. 3344), where the Church divulges its knowledge about exclusions in old Bibles, saying: "The remark has long ago and often been made that, like Paul, even the earliest Gospels knew nothing of the miraculous birth of our Saviour". That is because there never was a virgin birth.
It is apparent that when Eusebius assembled scribes to write the New Testimonies, he first produced a single document that provided an exemplar or master version. Today it is called the Gospel of Mark, and the Church admits that it was "the first Gospel written" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 657), even though it appears second in the New Testament today. The scribes of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke were dependent upon the Mark writing as the source and framework for the compilation of their works. The Gospel of John is independent of those writings, and the late-15th-century theory that it was written later to support the earlier writings is the truth (The Crucifixion of Truth, Tony Bushby, Joshua Books, 2004, pp. 33-40). Very interesting  http://www.exminister.org/Forgedorigins_ofNT.html
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| Sep 24 @ 12:19 PM |
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iam01
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Well, technically a virgin can give birth but one needs a sperm donor and a syringe. The other option is parthenogenesis but that would make Jesus a genetic freak and without not only any human father but any supernatural being either. If a delusional religious person will say God caused parthenogenesis and therefore is the father then that would be as ridiculous as saying a scientist is the father because they caused it.
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| Sep 24 @ 4:14 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Some churches put alot of emphasis on the virgin birth and for the life of me, I don't see the big deal. Out of all the "miracles" one could dream up, there are plenty of more imaginative ways to bring a messianic figure into the world.
Why not have him materialize in on a beam of sunlight or something more visually spectacular? Something Cecil B DeMille could've had fun with.
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| Sep 24 @ 5:50 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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so......your point is that mary really did have sex.....
bfd........
what does it really change TODAY if she did....??
most people recognize that men wrote the bible... and men are only human....
and even some men BACK THEN only revered Madonnas..... and thought that the rest of womanhood were only good for one thing.....or the other.... 
three words....alien artificial insemination....( yes I agree with Iam...  
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| Sep 25 @ 1:36 AM |
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Angel54214
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Criticizing the Critic...Tony Bushby
The Bible Fraud
Read the whole article now! 
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/the_bible_fraud_review_introductory.html
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The world’s oldest Bible, handwritten in Greek over 1,600 years ago and whose over 400 pages are held by institutions in four countries, has been digitally photographed leaf by leaf and is now available for viewing on the Internet.
The British Library holds 347 leaves; the Leipzig University Library in Germany, 43 leaves; St. Catharine’s Monastery on the Sinai Peninsula, 12 leaves as well as 24 fragments; and the National Library of Russia in St. Petersburg, several fragments of 6 leaves. The official completion of the international Codex Sinaiticus Project was celebrated in London on July 6 and 7.
The Codex Sinaiticus contains approximately half of the Old Testament, the complete New Testament, and the Apocrypha, as well as two early Christian texts not found in modern Bibles, an Epistle by a writer claiming to be the Apostle Barnabas and The Shepherd, by the early second-century Roman writer Hermas.
Under the project, not only have the leaves and fragments been digitally photographed, the texts have been transcribed and their condition examined. The Internet edition is expected to be made available and translated into several modern languages in the coming years. Thus, this manuscript, which otherwise could only be viewed by a few people under extremely controlled conditions, is being made available to researchers and the general public.
The history of how this Bible was discovered reads like an archeological suspense novel. The German Protestant theologian Konstantin von Tischendorf spent his entire life searching feverishly for old Bible manuscripts because he wanted to find a Bible text that was as close to the original version as possible. He traveled in 1844 to St. Catherine’s Monastery at Mount Sinai. This monastery, which was said to have been constructed on the site where God had spoken to Moses through the burning bush, has never been destroyed since its establishment in the 3rd century. So, Tischendorf thought, it had to hold ancient manuscripts.
After searching for some time, he discovered discarded in a basket 129 pages of a Bible manuscript, whose antiquity he immediately recognized. The monks there, who had become suspicious of their visitor’s true intentions, allowed Tischendorf, after much discussion, to take only 43 pages of the book; the rest, he was able to copy. He deposited these pages with the Leipzig University Library, where they were given the title Codex Friderico Augustanos, after the King of Saxony.
Tischendorf then undertook a second journey in 1854, which, however, was not successful, as he could not find the remaining pages again. In 1859, he traveled a third time to Mount Sinai, this time under the patronage of the Russian czar. His attempts again turned up fruitless until the evening before his departure, when the custodian of the monastery showed him the rest of the Old Testament and a complete New Testament. The Bible was taken to a monastery in Cairo, where Tischendorf was permitted to transcribe it. Nevertheless, he continued to negotiate to have the manuscript turned over. Ultimately, the monks relented, and he was able to take the Bible to Russia to present it to Czar Alexander II, perhaps initially on loan, then later as a gift. In 1933, the Communist government, which was in need of hard currency, sold the Bible to the British Museum.
Between 1907 and 1911, the Russian historian Vladimir Beneshevich discovered in Sinai fragments of the Bible within the pages of later manuscripts. He brought these fragments to St. Petersburg, where they are still located today.
And in May 1975, while restoration work was being performed on the monastery, a space was discovered under the chapel, where several parchment fragments, including more parts of the Bible, were found. These too have now been digitized as part of the joint project. While parts of the book have been known by other names over its history, today it is referred to as the Codex Sinaiticus, meaning “the Sinai Book.” http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/__PR/K__Wash/2009/07/23__Bible__Project__PR,archiveCtx=1994800.html
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| Sep 25 @ 1:54 AM |
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Angel54214
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Did anyone actually even "read' the first page of this link I posted in the new eyewitness thread? Notice...the other MS that were discovered at the Mt. Sinai St. Catherine Monastery:
http://www.schoyencollection.com/HebrewAramaic.htm
The Sinaiticus codex:
http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/manuscript.aspx?=Submit%20Query&book=33&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0
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| Sep 25 @ 7:38 AM |
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eyesofastranger
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Although it's too many virgin births to count back this far.....one possibility has always entered my mind.
At some point in time humans left the action reaction world of thinking and entered the philosophical way of thinking. From there we claim to have a soul and somebody was the first and a definite virgin birth.
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| Sep 25 @ 8:28 AM |
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yashaenka
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Modern Bibles are five removes in translation from early editions, and disputes rage between translators over variant interpretations of more than 5,000 ancient words. As we have shown many times the bible of today and the Christian religion of today is a new age version of earlier Christian thought.
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j_goose
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Did anyone actually even "read' the first page of this link I posted in the new eyewitness thread? Notice...the other MS that were discovered at the Mt. Sinai St. Catherine Monastery:
In your first link, the earliest manuscripts are 2713, 1411, and 1926/4. None of them contain anything from the NT.
MS 035
CODEX SINATICUS ZOSIMI RESCRIPTUS
the link says:
Commentary: Underlying texts: All 5 texts are the earliest extant in Christian Palestinian-Aramaic. Text 4: Addresses Delivered by St. Cyril in 348 AD to Candidates for Baptism. Text 5 is unique. Gospels of 6th c. in this rare language, closely related to the mother tongue of Christ, are of considerable textual interest. The script is together with the nearly identical one in "Codex Climachi Rescriptus", Mt. Sinai, mid 6th c., considered the finest and earliest specimen of Christian Palestinian-Aramaic uncial extant. Apart from the 3 MSS in The Schøyen Collection, only the Vatican, St. Petersburg and Mt. Sinai libraries have MSS in this language and script, and even the Mt. Sinai library has only 3, all from 11th c. Overlying texts: Text 8 is unique, cf. MS 37. Text 9 is the oldest of the 3 extant. Text 10: This colophon extends over 3 pages, dated twice, Mt. Sinai 979. There are 20 MSS from Mt. Sinai in The Schøyen Collection. Besides the monastery's own famous library (4300 MSS), only British Library (8 MSS) and The National Library of Russia, St. Petersburg (69 MSS, mostly fragments), have comparable holdings.
In your second link, all one has to do is click on "About Codex Sinaiticus" to find:
Codex Sinaiticus, a manuscript of the Christian Bible written in the middle of the fourth century, contains the earliest complete copy of the Christian New Testament. The hand-written text is in Greek. The New Testament appears in the original vernacular language (koine) and the Old Testament in the version, known as the Septuagint, that was adopted by early Greek-speaking Christians. In the Codex, the text of both the Septuagint and the New Testament has been heavily annotated by a series of early correctors.
Still not sure how it applied to the eyewitness thread. Or here for that matter.
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| Sep 26 @ 6:22 AM |
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uab_5
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Darth Vader's mum was a virgin! 
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| Sep 26 @ 7:48 PM |
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Angel54214
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I do wonder how this parthenogenetic boy is turning out that was developed only from ovum and has no male DNA except for in his urine.
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/genbio/life/articles/article13.mhtml
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7987316?dopt=Abstract&holding=npg
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