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What is a NDE?
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yashaenka
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There can be no doubt that the near-death phenomenon remains controversial. Those with strong religious belief structures routinely describe the process in spiritual terms, which cannot be measured scientifically or medically. For these people that claiim near-death experiences, the episode is generally viewed as positive and faith-confirming. Seeing deceased relatives and friends or meeting their spiritual creator brought feelings of contentment not regularly experienced in their ordinary world.
Many religious survivors of an near-death experience report a feeling of profound disappointment as a spiritual presence orders them back to their physical bodies. Some say they were asked to decide whether or not to return to their lives on Earth. For many survivors, the decision to remain with the living proved to be difficult. Near-death survivors who report a lack of interest in religion before the experience often become more dedicated and focused after it.
From a scientific and medical point of view, however, there are some tangible explanations for many of near-death experiences. Some researchers believe that the brain itself may be responsible for many of the experiences described by survivors. As the brain begins to suffer from a lack of blood and oxygen, it may go into a self-protective mode to prevent further damage or prepare for imminent death. Some scientists believe the images seen by dying patients are generated as the brain processes repressed memory banks. The sensation of euphoria could be the result of a deep sleep state, much like getting a very good night's rest. As the brain continues to shut down, memories of deceased relatives and friends may appear in the form of a lucid dream. Lucid dreams often involve a sensation of real interaction between the dreamer and the visions.
The light seen at the end of a tunnel could be the oldest repressed memory of them all - the moment of childbirth. A baby's first memory may be of going through the birth canal and seeing the lights of a delivery room. The experience of meeting God or Jesus or another spiritual force could be another form of lucid dreaming, based on the innermost spiritual experiences of the patient. Once the body has been resuscitated, the subconscious is reunited abruptly with the conscious brain, which can be a jarring experience. This could explain the sensation of being torn away from another reality.
Near-death experiences cannot be readily explained away by conventional wisdom. Many people who have been declared clinically dead do not report any near-death experiences. On the other hand, non-religious patients have described spiritual experiences during near-death situations. Some NDE survivors may not feel comfortable discussing certain aspects of their experiences. Others use their near-death experiences as a foundation for religious testimony or ministerial work. The bold face text highlights my NDE when as a young man I almost drowned. I agree with what they say but there are those who cannot accept any clinical explanations, why?http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-near-death-experience.htm
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| Sep 26 @ 7:13 PM |
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iam01
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NDE means you didn't get dead enough to not come back.
The light seen at the end of a tunnel could be the oldest repressed memory of them all - the moment of childbirth. A baby's first memory may be of going through the birth canal and seeing the lights of a delivery room. Some of us are old enough to remember ether and having our tonsils taken out. My experience was to count from 100 backwards. I think I got up to 95 but all I can remember is a spiraling tunnel. A lot of people who had ether had the same experience. Its obvious the chemical reacts with the same circuity within the brain so we have similar experiences. Some of us have been to parties where we had one too many. As soon as you hit the bed your head starts spinning. Why does it spin? Same brain circuitry is affected by alcohol. NDE people have similar experiences for the same reasons.
The ether experience was the first and last time I was under ether. The experience was so bizarre that I never forgot it. NDE's say the same things for their experiences. The circumstances however are different so when they awaken they have have different take on it. They think they were dead. No, they were dying but brought back in time.
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| Sep 26 @ 7:57 PM |
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Jankia
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could be...could be...maybe 
Tell you what yashaenka,see if you can copy-paste any clinical explanations that arent "speculative" tangible explanations.
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| Sep 27 @ 1:27 PM |
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Bj864
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I agree with what they say but there are those who cannot accept any clinical explanations, why?
Why? Because we know that it is what it is. When you experience something, it doesn't matter what another person says about it, because you KNOW what happened.
To describe the light as the light seen upon being born, is like saying that black is white. There is no comparison. First of all the light is much different than any light I have ever seen. Also, it is nothing like a dream. It is simply real.
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| Sep 27 @ 6:18 PM |
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southernlass
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Thankfully we don't need to prove anything regarding our beliefs, faith, gut-feelings, personal experiences. All we need to do is share what we've experienced; that's actually quite good enough. That the sharing of near death experience is threatening for those who cannot fathom an afterlife is obvious. Oh well.
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| Sep 27 @ 6:28 PM |
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iam01
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Thankfully we don't need to prove anything regarding our beliefs, faith, gut-feelings, personal experiences. All we need to do is share what we've experienced; that's actually quite good enough. Its only good enough for the stupid, superstitious, credulous and/or ignorant who will believe blindly because they don't know any better.
That the sharing of near death experience is threatening for those who cannot fathom an afterlife is obvious. Oh well. Oh well for those babbling buffoons who can not come up with evidence because those who require evidence would have no problem believing in any verifiable facts they would have difficulty refuting. Facts are very persuasive to logical and rational minds.
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| Sep 27 @ 6:54 PM |
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southernlass
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Facts are very persuasive to logical and rational minds.
How amusing ...
Logical and rational minds are not fanatical! 
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| Sep 27 @ 7:03 PM |
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iam01
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Logical and rational minds are not fanatical! Exactly and that is why you have such a blind faith. You're a fan to ignorance. You've said so yourself...
We, the believers, do not base our belief on thinking or feeling. We base our belief on faith.
Your problem is that you have a fragmented mind because you say things and have no clue what the implications are about how they reveal your thought processes, if you can call them that. Maybe you ought to get back into therapy. Nothing wrong with a pit stop every now and then. For you, I would suggest cognitive therapy to work out the kinks in your thinking processes.
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| Sep 27 @ 7:08 PM |
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southernlass
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Your problem is that you have a fragmented mind because you say things and have no clue what the implications are. Maybe you ought to get back into therapy.
And your problem is that you are so impaired in your narcissistic personality disorder that you don't realize what a fanatic you are! You have no idea that your mind is a block of rock that allows little else to get through but the obsessive pursuit of hating those different than you. I'm sorry for you.
I see it. And I sincerely doubt therapy will help. You're too narcissistic to allow even a psychiatrist to help you.
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| Sep 27 @ 7:15 PM |
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Bj864
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SL Thankfully we don't need to prove anything regarding our beliefs, faith, gut-feelings, personal experiences. All we need to do is share what we've experienced; that's actually quite good enough.
IAM Its only good enough for the stupid, superstitious, credulous and/or ignorant who will believe blindly because they don't know any better.
People are not ignorant iam, when they experience something and they know what they experienced. Neither are they stupid, superstious, credulous or blind.
What is ignorant, is for another person to try to tell them, that they did not have the experience that they had or that they didn't understand it as well as a person that puts forth a "theory".
A NDE is something a person has when they are leaving this world for the next one and they come back. The physical body starts shutting down, but for whatever reason, it starts functioning again.
I can tell you one thing for certain about having a NDE. You will never fear death the same way again. For that reason (among others), I am very thankful that I had it.
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| Sep 27 @ 7:48 PM |
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iam01
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People are not ignorant iam, when they experience something and they know what they experienced. Neither are they stupid, superstious, credulous or blind. You need to properly read what I was responding to. Not requiring factual evidence to believe in incredible and bizarre things is stupid.
What is ignorant, is for another person to try to tell them, that they did not have the experience that they had or that they didn't understand it as well as a person that puts forth a "theory". No one denies anyone had any kind of experience. What is ignorant is not knowing and not learning what it really was.
A NDE is something a person has when they are leaving this world for the next one and they come back. The physical body starts shutting down, but for whatever reason, it starts functioning again. Now you've crossed the line into the twilight zone. What is leaving the body? Nothing leaves your body but excrement and exhaled breath. You have no idea what is going on in a persons brain, the chemistry, etc because this is a whole area of knowledge and study you choose to ignore. Instead, you make your imagination your playground.
I can tell you one thing for certain about having a NDE. You will never fear death the same way again. For that reason (among others), I am very thankful that I had it. I don't fear death and I never had an NDE. I've had NDE-like experiences. I've had high fevers where I got delirious. I've had flying dreams, flew around, soared in their, visited people I knew and didn't know. They were dreams while I was sleeping. However I got to fly around as a skydiver for real and did that for over 10 years. I scuba dived and saw sharks, barracuda, sea turtles, octopus, moray eels, lobster, sting rays,etc. I did dangerous night dives, entered wreaks, deep dives. So what? The point is one can dwell in dreams or they can live in a reality.
So basically its very simple. If NDE are real then we can gather facts and study them. What we need to see is factual evidence that shows the experience matches the reality.
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| Sep 27 @ 8:33 PM |
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iam01
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People are not ignorant iam, when they experience something and they know what they experienced. Neither are they stupid, superstious, credulous or blind. So if I were to tell you I was sitting on a park bench one sunny afternoon eating my lunch when a 6 ft tall rabbit jumped out of the bushes in front of me you would believe it? What if I was to say it was not a man in a rabbit costume but a real bunny 6ft tall who pulled out a pocket watched, looked at it and said he was running late? You have no problem believing this really happened?
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| Sep 28 @ 12:07 PM |
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Bj864
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ou need to properly read what I was responding to. Not requiring factual evidence to believe in incredible and bizarre things is stupid.
A NDE is not a bizarre thing. It is incredible.
I am a very grounded and pretty intgelligent person. If I tell you something I experienced, you can believe it and you don't have to be stupid to do it.
iam, here is the problem. You are trying to convince people of something you know nothing about. Dreams and fevers have nothing to do with it. People that have experienced this, don't need people like you trying to tell them what happened. They know what happened. They don't need your theories or anyone elses.
Personally, I could care less what the scientific explanation is. That explanation wouldn't change what happened in any way whatsoever. Also, science cannot explain what happens, except in a physical sense and has no knowledge of the spiritual.
If you have no knowledge of something, why do you try so hard to impose your views about it?
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| Sep 28 @ 1:02 PM |
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iam01
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A NDE is not a bizarre thing. It is incredible. Its both bizarre and incredible.
I am a very grounded and pretty intgelligent person. If I tell you something I experienced, you can believe it and you don't have to be stupid to do it. If you were grounded and intelligent then what explaination is their for you to avoid learning anything about the brain, psychology, and science. And no one is denying you experienced something but what you are denying are the facts of what caused it.
iam, here is the problem. You are trying to convince people of something you know nothing about. Dreams and fevers have nothing to do with it. People that have experienced this, don't need people like you trying to tell them what happened. They know what happened. They don't need your theories or anyone elses. The problem is you are trying to convince people your own personal religious belief without any foundation in facts. All I'm trying to do is convince people to think and investigate the facts if they exist.
Personally, I could care less what the scientific explanation is Then you have nullified your own statement saying you are very grounded and intelligent. You are avoiding learning facts and therefore avoid new knowledge.
Also, science cannot explain what happens, except in a physical sense and has no knowledge of the spiritual. How would you know? You have absolutely no knowledge of any science.
If you have no knowledge of something, why do you try so hard to impose your views about it? I have no knowledge about things that don't exist. Religious people, on the other hand, act as if they do.
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| Sep 28 @ 6:57 PM |
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southernlass
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If you were grounded and intelligent then what explaination is their for you to avoid learning anything about the brain, psychology, and science. And no one is denying you experienced something but what you are denying are the facts of what caused it.
Then you have nullified your own statement saying you are very grounded and intelligent. You are avoiding learning facts and therefore avoid new knowledge.
You have absolutely no respect for anyone else's opinion on this forum but your own, and those who share it. You are a school yard bully, just as SOC has said. BJ is more grounded and intelligent than you could ever conceive of being and if she feels she had a near death experience, who are you to attempt to denigrate and destroy that? You consistently slur and attack anyone who believes in a higher power, creator, supreme being.
One of these days the moderators here will remove you once and for all, Iam, and this forum will actually become a decent place to share and exchange MATURE thought; it will become a far more friendly place to spend time socializing and sharing opinions. This is what it already should be, based upon the fact that this is a dating site first and foremost.
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| Sep 28 @ 7:51 PM |
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Bj864
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Thanks SL for the kind words.
I know what I experienced, so it doesn't matter what iam says. He cannot change what was and what is, no matter what he says. Insults or calling names cannot change what is.
NDE have nothing to do with religion. They do however have something to do with God and life after death.
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| Sep 28 @ 7:57 PM |
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iam01
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BJ claims to know what an NDE is simply because she personally experienced something yet clearly stated she didn't care about any scientific explanation. That means lets just ignore the brain. That is not someone who is well grounded, certainly not in actual facts. Avoiding knowledge, especially that of science is an act of ignorance. So how is she grounded by avoiding massive amounts of information about the mind and the brain?
As for SL, she has proven herself to be intellectually stunted countless times because facts, evidence and science are meaningless to her. She adds further insult to herself by masquerading as someone who went to graduate school for a subject she hardly knows well.
You consistently slur and attack anyone who believes in a higher power, creator, supreme being. You constantly slur actual knowledge, logic and reasoning. You slur reality for fantasy and facts for fiction. Knowledge and education is not a higher power to you because its not something you value very much. What you value is religious superstition and fantasy and that's hardly from any maturity of the mind.
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| Sep 28 @ 8:25 PM |
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lazareth
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www.near-death.com
I read some of the info on this site..... very interesting....
Scientific Evidence of Survival:
All 53 items of evidence
People have NDEs while brain dead
People see verified events while out-of-body
People born blind can see during a NDE
Children have NDEs similar to adults
People are radically changed by their NDE
Common aspects can be found in NDEs
Scientific discoveries come from NDEs
People having NDEs are absolutely certain
Groups of people can share the same NDE
Some people were dead for several days
NDEs have accurately foreseen the future
Ancient history is filled with NDE reports
Scientific studies have validated NDEs
World religions originated from NDEs
Science validated out-of-body experiences
Quantum physics can explain NDEs
Analytical psychology can explain NDEs
this is just a very small portion of what is on the web site....
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| Sep 28 @ 8:31 PM |
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lazareth
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for some reason my link isn't working.... but the site is still interesting nonetheless.. I'll see if I can fix it
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| Sep 28 @ 9:04 PM |
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iam01
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Great website...Here is their latest...
The Reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy: A comprehensive presentation of the evidence suggestive of President John F. Kennedy being the reincarnation of President Abraham Lincoln using historical parallels, synchronicity and photographic evidence. This analysis may help you decide if President Barack Obama is the reincarnation of President John F. Kennedy and; therefore, President Abraham Lincoln. (added 12/01/08) http://www.near-death.com/whatsnew.html
So I guess if you voted for Obama, you also voted for Kennedy and Lincoln post mortem all at once..
[Edited on 9/28/2009 9:29 PM]
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