| Oct 2 @ 11:34 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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I am mostly asking non-Christians, since most Christians have a similair view basd on the religion.
Don't know?
Do you think your conciousness will unravel into nothingness and all that you are will dissolve forever?
Do you think you will pass on to some other level of existence?
Do you think you think you return to this existence in some form?
I am genuinely curious.
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| Oct 2 @ 11:46 AM |
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yashaenka
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The mortal but temporal body ceases to function but is your body the real you or is the real you something other?
What is your True Nature? Can you accept we are all dualities? I think it is rather amusing that Religions point to something other in all Religious forms and that there are Eastern concepts of the same thing. Soul, Spirit, Chi etc something that resides in our temporal bodies yet lives on after our bodies ceases to function.
It is in the definitions of what that is that all religions find their selves in conflict with other religions And Living belief systems.
All religions are but man made Concepts [someones best guess]
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| Oct 2 @ 11:51 AM |
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alivenwell351
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There's only one sure thing....
In the end it will be as it is or it isn't...
And all the wondering, speculating, wishing, hoping & praying won't change that fact one bit...
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| Oct 2 @ 12:14 PM |
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iam01
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I am genuinely curious. Only a seeker of truth would be genuinely curious.
First we need to define what "you" is. That could go on for a while. The "you" or the "I" is a concept of a unit, an individual. What makes "you" you? What makes "I' I? These are probably even tougher questions than what happens after "you" and "I" die.
We know energy can neither be created nor destroyed so in that sense our energy is eternal. What we've done is set in history, in that sense is eternal. I believe our matter simply returns to be recycled. Does a snowflake die when it melts? Nothing really dies yet that unique snowflake may not happen again for a very long time. Eventually the permutations will recycle.
As for consciousness. We don't really fully understand how this emerges in matter. We have some idea these is the result of quantum states within the brain taking place in the microtublules in the subcomponents of brain cells. The question then is how are these quantum states are maintained and contained without brain cells. So far we see nothing supporting this outside the body although there is speculation of a proto-consciousness (extremely speculative) and there are projects to design quantum computers that would actually become conscious using architecture based on structures of the brain.
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| Oct 2 @ 12:27 PM |
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yashaenka
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If a thing is Immortal and always has been it never is born and like wise never dies. If a Immortal energy resides in us by many different names would not anything we experience in our temporal mortal bodies be direct experience by it also.
If all things are one and connected thats speaks of energy so what it knows all other energies like it know. Would not that speak of a shared consciousness?I believe our matter simply returns to be recycled
The terms Life and/or Death are also just man made concepts if everything is recycled than life and/or death are but concepts chasing one another in an endless circle.
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| Oct 2 @ 12:45 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Only a seeker of truth would be genuinely curious.
First we need to define what "you" is. That could go on for a while. The "you" or the "I" is a concept of a unit, an individual. What makes "you" you? What makes "I' I? These are probably even tougher questions than what happens after "you" and "I" die.
We know energy can neither be created nor destroyed so in that sense our energy is eternal. What we've done is set in history, in that sense is eternal. I believe our matter simply returns to be recycled. Does a snowflake die when it melts? Nothing really dies yet that unique snowflake may not happen again for a very long time. Eventually the permutations will recycle.
As for consciousness. We don't really fully understand how this emerges in matter. We have some idea these is the result of quantum states within the brain taking place in the microtublules in the subcomponents of brain cells. The question then is how are these quantum states are maintained and contained without brain cells. So far we see nothing supporting this outside the body although there is speculation of a proto-consciousness (extremely speculative) and there are projects to design quantum computers that would actually become conscious using architecture based on structures of the brain.
Excellent post Hammer!
I agree, all things seem to have a circular nature. The water I drink was once dinosaur pee and all that.
Here is the thing. I just can't see the complexity of a person's soul/conciusness being created and then pissed away into nothingness.
All through life we grow and go through stages of development. I see this as being one stage, albeit a strange one. whatever came before, and whatever comes after (if anything) is hidden.
There is a black curtain over each door, and we are compelled to step through.
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| Oct 2 @ 12:50 PM |
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kjac
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When you die, the flesh from your body decomposes, leaving the skeletal remains.
This happens to Christians and non-Christians. Unless of course they are cremated.
What is known as consciousness is nothing more than higher brain function. A brain function which ceases upon death.
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| Oct 2 @ 1:19 PM |
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yashaenka
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kjac What is known as consciousness is nothing more than higher brain function I thought you were around when some of us on here had very in depth discussions about what is Consciousness.
You are speaking of our mortal brains function when it ceases to function others on here have a much broader view of consciousness.
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| Oct 2 @ 1:46 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Many years ago when my father was quite ill and ultimately passed away, I was there as he was taken off life support. I can't exactly find the right words to describe what I saw, but shortly after life support was removed, I watched as whatever it was that had made him the person he'd been in life, call it spirit or whatever you want, in some way vacated him and what remained as his body, even though it continued to breath for awhile, was clearly just the shell that used to house him. It was obvious!!
That doesn't make me believe in anything specific, but it's one big reason why I've come to believe there about has to be something bigger going on. Just don't know what it is, what to call it, or how it may or may not directly affect me. I'm just very sure what it isn't...
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| Oct 2 @ 2:21 PM |
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CPUfan
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I just can't see the complexity of a person's soul/conciusness being created and then pissed away into nothingness. 
I believe that if the cosmos has a purpose at all, other than endless cycles of solar systems and energy particles in an infinite cosmos in both time and space, it is to be conscious of itself.
There is no evidence and there is unlikely ever to be, but I believe that the energy that comprises our consciousness and experiences is returned to the cosmos, somehow, somewhere, perhaps even to all of it... to every single energy particle, to every single sun and solar system.
I believe the cosmos is an 'infinite vacuum cleaner' of consciousness and experiences. It seeks to re-form, re-invent, re-create and know itself. I believe that what it disseminates is returned to its entire energy status - to its 'own' awareness. At some level of consciousness, anyway.
So we might simply become part of its 'collective' consciousness, if indeed we are not already.
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| Oct 3 @ 9:09 AM |
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yashaenka
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So we might simply become part of its 'collective' consciousness, if indeed we are not already. I think this is covered in the "All things are one and connected statement vis a vi energy....
If we are all a part of something greater now and reside in the cosmos now, where all things are immortal, nothing is lost it is just recycled, even energy that blinks on and off gets recycled well then why not us is not are bodies energy even in death? Are we not composed of atoms, are we not 70% empty space and all of the matter in our bodies condensed would sit on the head of a pin.
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| Oct 3 @ 10:16 AM |
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Deborah551
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I've been thinking about reincarnation a lot lately since it seems to be the only way for why things happen on this earth to make sense. It doesn't seem fair that some people have lives of wealth and bounty while others, through no fault of their own, live horrible lives of poverty. I think of babies and children who die of starvation and disease and they never really had a chance on this earth to live through the stages of life we are living through.
I am curious if there is an after world and what it's like. I wonder if god exists and if he does, why didn't he act more like god instead of like a spoiled baby who destroys civilizations because they sin and don't follow his impossible to keep laws.
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| Oct 3 @ 11:26 AM |
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iam01
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I've been thinking about reincarnation a lot lately The other day I was sitting in the vets office with my cat and there were 3 little kittens in a cage up for adoption. They were and extremely cute. I observed 3 distinct personalities. One was very brave and curious, another was passive, another was a bit indifferent to its surroundings. I was thinking how one of them reminded me of someone in particular by their quirky behavior. I think this is how we develop beliefs in reincarnation. The fact is, the person is still alive. Had they been dead and had I believed in reincarnation I might have believed it was this person reincarnated as a cat. You can see how easily people can fall for this kind of thinking and how religious beliefs and superstitions can propagate.
We need to make sense of things because our minds are logical organs and we attempt to build a logical and contiguous line of thinking. The problem is you can insert into the gaps whatever you think makes sense. With limited knowledge of things, the things we think make sense are often nonsense.
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| Oct 3 @ 2:55 PM |
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iam01
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our minds are logical organs Correction: Our brains are logical organs and our minds attempt logic by its own nature. The attempt will bring us to a wrong conclusion when one lacks enough knowledge.
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| Oct 3 @ 3:47 PM |
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Deborah551
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We need to make sense of things because our minds are logical organs and we attempt to build a logical and contiguous line of thinking. The problem is you can insert into the gaps whatever you think makes sense. With limited knowledge of things, the things we think make sense are often nonsense. I'm almost positive we aren't reicarnated, Iam, and I agree it's just a way of coping with all the unfairness and suffering in life. And getting a little justice for those who have wronged so many.
The other day I was sitting in the vets office with my cat and there were 3 little kittens in a cage up for adoption. How's your cat doing? Is your cat the only cat, or would he/she be upset if you brought home a cat friend for him?
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| Oct 4 @ 3:43 PM |
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Bj864
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I do not believe you "die" at all.
I do believe the physical body changes its form (it goes back to the earth if left in a natural state), but the spirit (which is you) is still alive.
I think that spirit lives on a different plane, until it reincarnate into another body.
I do believe that spirit has the same appearance as the body it inhabited, but it is not a physical one.
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| Oct 4 @ 5:53 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Interesting thought BJ. Question. Since the human body changes in appearance over our lifetime, and the soul is ageless, what stage of human development are you thinking the soul would resemble?
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| Oct 4 @ 6:12 PM |
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ForumMod
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lol, no fair picking that summer of tanned six-packed, buffed out chick magnet stage. 
(those were the days   )
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| Oct 4 @ 6:18 PM |
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CPUfan
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And if yer happen to be brain damaged, what kind of spiritual level of repair would be enacted?
If brain no work, it not get bettah... 
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| Oct 4 @ 9:03 PM |
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BandTMom
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I watched as whatever it was that had made him the person he'd been in life, call it spirit or whatever you want, in some way vacated him and what remained as his body, even though it continued to breath for awhile, was clearly just the shell that used to house him. It was obvious!!
Alive, as a nurse, I have witnessed this many times. The patient was still breathing, but what made them, "them", was gone. There was an emptiness in the room that wasn't there before.
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