| Oct 4 @ 9:58 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Well, I think I have Jankia's list of complaint down to just three. (or currently at three)
Before I do that, I need to apologize to SL. I originally thought Jankia was female, and and said "she" in complaints about not being able to understand the writing. It sounded like I was speaking of SL's posts. For the record, I have never had a trouble understanding SL's posts or had a problem with anything she has said.
Back to Jankia. I already answered alot of this in : Bit by bit post it is in the next to last post. I said at the time I would try to expand if he wasn't satisfied, and since he isn't as promised, I will take another shot at it. (I wonder if HE will make good on HIS gold memebership promise)
Jankia- How does one give silent approval with indirect praise to somebody that denounces their faith in an internet forum?
no answer I am not sure I understand this completely. but I think you are asking more-or-less "can you give an explaing how some Christains give silent approval when other Christians are misbehaving?" I thougt I metioned this already, but I will give it another pass.
Let's say SOC totally disagrees with somethig he reads, gets his hackles up and then opens up on someone with things like "you have to disagree in a fake-Christian style" and "Often you remind us that you are a Christian" and "I do advise you to become more convicted in your service to Jesus Christ. He wants servants whose hearts are clearly His own. He doesn't want fence-sitters."
My first response to reading such a streak, no matter who it would happen to be directed at, would be to say something like. "Wow, check yourself there, SOC. You are taking alot on yourself going around putting 'fake' and 'Christian' together. Even if you would happen to hit the mark, basing it off of a forum board postings is a flimsy case, and it is not your place to be judging"
Now, let's say (for the sake of the debate) that you and SOC are old friends, you go to church together, and he is a long time buddy. You read his post, you think he is out-ofline, but instead of cueing him that he has said something very offensive, in a post directly under his, you say something like "Oh SOC, you are such a treasure, your word of wisdom inspires all and the truth is there for all to see"
Directly, you have not called me anything, or even said anything to me. Indirectly, you have said to SOC "If you want to act like a jerk, I am right there behind you buddy. Go to it. We are the Christians. We are on license by God to do anything we want"
Again this is an example. Don't go off on a "that never happened" tirade. This is just an illustration. I am not suggesting SOC would say anything so out-of-line, or that you would chime in with him if he did.
Anyhow, this sort of thing goes on, both on the forum and in real life. SOC says "Christians should help each other" OK I think they should help everybody, Christian or not. One thing a Christian can do for another is to cue them when they are out-of-line. Many times it can't come from non-Christians because the Christian who is already going on a bender is liable to dismiss it with "they are just heathens, what do they know?" When they hear from a fellow Christian, it can give them pause and say "Ohhh, wait a minute, if even THEY think I was out-of-line, then maybe I DID get a little over zealous and perhaps I should check myself"
Jankia-If remaining silent shows a sign of approval does that mean if Iall the Christians,including yourself and everyone else that didnt say anything when another Christian showed signs of being a pedophile...they all approve of sexual child abuse?
no answer Untrue, I DID answer thact exact question in the bit-by-bit post. Child abuse: Yes, if someone knows child abuse is gong on and does nothing, they assume some of the guilt. Cha-ching! That is another year of gold you owe meI am not sure how much more I can add to this one. The answer is YES. Someone who stands idly by when they know children are being used has some guilt. Now, we can argue all day about how much of the guilt goes to the enabler. I have heard people suggest that the enabler is actually more guilty since the pedophile is the one reacting to an illness. My feel is that it has to be done on a case-by-case thing, but yes, to ANSWER YOUR QUESTION; Someone who says nothing while child abuse goes on is GUILTY
Jankia-OK...Where were your "pair" when another user mentioned that every Christian condemns unbelievers? You didnt "speak up" so should we assume you agree or was it because of his accolades for you?
no answer Can't help you more with this one without more information (which is what I told you last time)
I don't know. I don't know what Goose said that you are referring to, or if I even read it. If I read it, I must not have felt compelled to comment.
I am not sure if this the same "Why didn't you speak up" complaint or a new one.
Either way, YOU HAVE TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION. You can't just say "Why didn't you speak up about an offensive thing in a post" without being clear as to what post and what offense you are talking about. Otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time.
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| Oct 4 @ 10:11 AM |
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iam01
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Wow  , I missed a good dope show last light. I suppose Jankia uses those blue pills for posting.
He wrote on the complain thread.
Remember..Viagra is for pleasing your woman No it isn't. Viagra is for those unable to achieve wood. Pleasing a woman requires a far more mature level of physical, mental and emotional coordination and expression. So not only is he impudent but impotent too. Being filled with a keg of beer is never a good idea for sex because your penis would only be good for pissing and then shrivel up like a frightened turtle. And if there is anything this man is good at, its a pissing contest.
Sorry Lance. I just wanted to drop by to say a few things and leave. I'll be back tonight to engage in this interesting conversation.
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| Oct 4 @ 10:19 AM |
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alivenwell351
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Having never tried the stuff myself, this is only speculation, but I imagine Viagra could be used for pleasuring one's self with farm animals...
Perhaps someone who lives with farm animals and likely partakes of them sexually would be better qualified to comment on that...
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| Oct 4 @ 10:25 AM |
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iam01
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OK, I really gotta go. I can't stay here and play. See you later.....
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| Oct 4 @ 10:34 AM |
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Deborah551
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Okay, Iam and Alive, quit the jokes already! I'm gonna wet my pants again. No, keep the jokes coming, they really make my day. 
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| Oct 4 @ 11:24 AM |
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lazareth
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No it isn't. Viagra is for those unable to achieve wood. Pleasing a woman requires a far more mature level of physical, mental and emotional coordination and expression
Well, for once we agree on SOMETHING
However... I didn't know turtles shriveled up.... 
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| Oct 4 @ 11:47 AM |
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CPUfan
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Let's say SOC totally disagrees with somethig he reads, gets his hackles up and then opens up on someone with things like "you have to disagree in a fake-Christian style" and "Often you remind us that you are a Christian" and "I do advise you to become more convicted in your service to Jesus Christ. He wants servants whose hearts are clearly His own. He doesn't want fence-sitters." Well Lance, you just have to think and believe as the "real servant" does and then you'll stay out of trouble with a higher power...
"Sitting on a fence?" Well that does sound more intellectually balanced than being the 'postman' for a scriptural letter box...  
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| Oct 4 @ 12:18 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Sounds like a good way to get splinters.
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| Oct 4 @ 8:56 PM |
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iam01
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All this time and still no answers? I guess we can be zen about it and say no answer is an answer...
Directly, you have not called me anything, or even said anything to me. Indirectly, you have said to SOC "If you want to act like a jerk, I am right there behind you buddy. Go to it. We are the Christians. We are on license by God to do anything we want"
The license thing was promoted by Martin Luther by the way...There might be a historical reason for such a mindset.
Be a sinner and sin strongly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ.
-- Martin Luther
So not only is he saying to sin but sin as bad as you can. Kind of defeats any purpose of living a good moral life huh? This basically sanctions pious hypocrisy.
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| Oct 4 @ 11:24 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Most of the people who do the "special orders from God" thing are just looking for a means to cover their own misdeeds.
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| Oct 5 @ 12:48 AM |
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Angel54214
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Be a sinner and sin strongly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ.
-- Martin Luther
This is the full paragraph that Luther wrote in his letter to his friend Philip Melanchthon on August. 1, 1521:
"If you are a preacher of Grace, then preach a true, not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly. For he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here we have to sin. This life in not the dwelling place of righteousness but, as Peter says, we look for a new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. . . . Pray boldly-you too are a mighty sinner."
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| Oct 5 @ 8:07 AM |
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yashaenka
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If you are going to do a thing, do it well! Some mat say sin with Grace! 
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| Oct 5 @ 10:45 AM |
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iam01
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Thanks Angel proving my point that Martin Luther was a psychopath. He obviously had no desire or ability for self control and made excuses for it. This explains why the christian religion attracts and makes people too weak to take full responsibility for themselves and thus use scapegoats and excuses.
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| Oct 5 @ 10:50 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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This explains why the christian religion attracts and makes people too weak to take full responsibility for themselves and thus use scapegoats and excuses.
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| Oct 5 @ 11:11 AM |
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iam01
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Lance, I see you emphasized the word goat. That is correct. Scapegoating is an old tradition. Tribes would take two goats and randomly choose which goat would suffer the sins of the tribe. They would then cast out that goat into the wilderness to die believing their sins were lifted from them. Not only does this show cruelty to animals but cruelty to deny people becoming responsible for themselves. Over 2000 years later, Jesus became that goat and the excuse.
Why would Martin Luther say sin boldly and also says this life in not the dwelling place of righteousness? He is not imploring anyone to think before acting, to care about one's behavior, to develop self-discipline and certainly not telling anyone to take full responsibility. He provides a means to indulge in devious behavior.
I wonder if this kind of mentality celebrates a man's death more than his life just to provide a pious excuse for passing the buck? We see Christians act deviously, remain silent, overlook, excuse, when its one of their own doing it but go into a rage when a non-christian does anything they don't like in an us vs them mentality. Who speaks out against this kind of hypocrisy?
It seems Martin Luther, among many others provides a historical basis that promotes hypocrisy.
One of the worst examples, among others of this kind of sickness is how a Christian would excuse Ana for his demented, anti-social, pedophilic, psychopathic tirades. We have seen it here.
I really like what Bishop Spong says about all this. No wonder why Christians have threatened him with death many times and why some of the Christians in here hate his guts..The very same people who idealize morons like Anaastasis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc
[Edited on 10/5/2009 11:26 AM]
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| Oct 5 @ 1:55 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Lance, I see you emphasized the word goat. That is correct. I was referring the picture above that features goats. Somehow. it just struck me funny.
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| Oct 5 @ 2:08 PM |
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iam01
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I guess it got your goat huh?
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| Oct 5 @ 2:38 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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You tear me up
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| Oct 6 @ 10:52 AM |
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yashaenka
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Directly, you have not called me anything, or even said anything to me. Indirectly, you have said to SOC "If you want to act like a jerk, I am right there behind you buddy. Go to it. We are the Christians. We are on license by God to do anything we want" This cracks me up I guess you need a license to drive Christianity
Either way, YOU HAVE TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION. You can't just say "Why didn't you speak up about an offensive thing in a post" without being clear as to what post and what offense you are talking about. Otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time. This is true I find that with Bev, Hunt and others on here they read only enough to make an assumption then end up talking past you. They start off with the premised that you are wrong and they are right as they are wrapped in the holy ghost of Christianity that you as a non christian cannot understand.
That is really showing their own ignorance and sensitivity to what you say because what if you are right!
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