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Koray
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should this happen ? I dont follow any religion but found this kinda odd
Conservative Bible Project Cuts Out Liberal Passages
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/conservative-bible-projec_n_310037.html
Lo and behold, the Bible has gotten too liberal, according to a group of conservatives. And it needs a little editing.
That's the inspiration behind the Conservative Bible Project, which seeks to take the text back to its supposed right-wing roots.
Yes, even scripture is not orthodox enough for the modern conservative. Not that it's the fault of the author(s), exactly. The group cites a few reasons why the Bible is too progressive: "Lack of precision in the original language ... lack of precision in modern language" and "translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one."
So how can the Bible be conservatized? The group has proposed a Wikipedia-like group editing project. Some of the ideas would only bring the translation closer to the original. But others would fundamentally change the text.
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Koray
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http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations. There are three sources of errors in conveying biblical meaning:
* lack of precision in the original language, such as terms underdeveloped to convey new concepts introduced by Christ
* lack of precision in modern language
* translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one.
Of these three sources of errors, the last introduces the largest error, and the biggest component of that error is liberal bias. Large reductions in this error can be attained simply by retranslating the KJV into modern English.[1]
As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:[2]
1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias
2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]
4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."
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| Oct 6 @ 10:17 AM |
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eastham
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I saw this and simply shook my head. So on the one hand, they'll argue that the Bible is the literal, rather than the inspired word of God, and on the other will contend that it needs a little bit of a re-write. Hmmm.
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| Oct 6 @ 10:24 AM |
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yashaenka
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t Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level Oh so that is why some on here that are reading challenged embrace it. 
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| Oct 6 @ 11:03 AM |
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eastham
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7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Yeah, cuz Jesus came to save us from capital gains and estate taxes.
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| Oct 6 @ 11:14 AM |
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yashaenka
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Oh darling no wonder when you speak people listen  
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| Oct 6 @ 11:33 AM |
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Koray
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Do you think the part where Jesus handed out food to all the people listening to his sermon is now going to be referred to as Jesus starting up a small business and was thankful for the low tax rates?
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| Oct 6 @ 12:32 PM |
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CPUfan
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It's another way of winding back the clock by half a millenium or so to the position religion and the 'church' held then. It is also a way of saying we all have to conform to the fundamentals they think are correct - or else.
The bible was never 'conservative' or 'liberal', it was always 'scriptural'... your interpretation can be either conservative or liberal but these wingnuts have clearly decided to expunge 'liberal' interpretations.
A bit like applying Christian 'fundamentals' to science... These people are clearly (funda) - mentally disturbed.
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| Oct 6 @ 12:34 PM |
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Koray
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Jesus turned water to wine - he will now check everyones ID to see they are over
18 before letting them drink it in the new version
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| Oct 6 @ 1:22 PM |
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alivenwell351
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So on the one hand, they'll argue that the Bible is the literal, rather than the inspired word of God, and on the other will contend that it needs a little bit of a re-write. Hmmm.
Wouldn't be the first time....
There was that time a few centuries ago when it was rewritten to the whims of a British king...
You'd think the creator of heaven and Earth and all in between would have gotten it right the first time with the first draft (would the all powerful creator even need a first draft??) and made sure his undisputed, undefeated, written absolute word didn't hit the bookstores as the contradictory, confusing, historically and scientifically inaccurate clusterf*ck that it is...
[Edited on 10/6/2009 1:32 PM]
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| Oct 6 @ 3:11 PM |
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bunnybiz
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It's another way of winding back the clock by half a millenium or so to the position religion and the 'church' held then. It is also a way of saying we all have to conform to the fundamentals they think are correct - or else.
I agree with you. It is there way trying to regain power and authority. Their way or the highway to hell.
The parables were never about economics. It was about the kingdom. I heard that so much in my church when I was going. Jesus talked more about money than any subject. Yes, their way to get your money through tithing (unscriptual on NT believers), to build bigger buildings. God needs your money. Yeah, right. No the being he/she/it Love doesn't need our money. Love is more interested in character building ... not building churches.
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| Oct 7 @ 1:49 AM |
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southernlass
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You'd think the creator of heaven and Earth and all in between would have gotten it right the first time with the first draft (would the all powerful creator even need a first draft??) and made sure his undisputed, undefeated, written absolute word didn't hit the bookstores as the contradictory, confusing, historically and scientifically inaccurate clusterf*ck that it is...
I'm sure God did get it right. This doesn't prevent others from attempting to tamper with His word for their own purposes though, does it? Free will, remember?
God already told us that people would attempt to twist His word and preach false doctrine, changing His orginal message entirely. I would say that's definitely ocurring and has been occurring for awhile.
The work of interpreting the Word of God is important work. It requires continuous study and meditation. It should become a part of our lifestyle. This type of life builds up and transforms leading to maturity in Christ. However, just as correctly handling the Word leads to maturity, incorrectly handling the Word leads to false teaching, deception and ultimately destruction.
Do not add to his words, or he [God] will rebuke you and prove you a liar (Proverbs 30:6).
No matter how sure you are about what God meant by a particular verse, it is very dangerous to add your opinion to His divine wisdom. Few things could be worse than the rebuke of God, and nothing could be worse than being proved a liar by God. Not only does the incorrect use of the Word of God have serious consequences for the careless teacher, it can also be detrimental for others.
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children (Hosea 4:6).
It is no wonder God gives such grave warnings against incorrectly handling His Word since lives are at stake. In the closing words of the book of Revelation, the Lord issues one of the most direct warnings of the entire Bible:
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book (Revelation 22:18, 19).
This same warning was first issued in the Old Testament when God opened the law to Israel:
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you (Deuteronomy 4:2).
The Bible is to be read and understood
God inspired His Word to reveal Himself, His purposes and His plans. The Bible is a comprehensive communication from God to man. The Bible itself answers the questions it raises, which is why we say Scripture interprets Scripture. God did not prepare His Word to be confusing or misleading. He says what He means and He means what He says.
For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand (2 Corinthians 1:13).
The Gospel of Christ is meant for everyone. In that spirit, Paul’s letters to the Corinthians were written to be read to the whole body of believers not just the pastors and teachers. It was customary for these letters to be copied and distributed to other bodies of believers. In fact, people who come to the Word like little children will be more inclined to understand the Word than those who think they already know something.
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world (1 Corinthians 1:20)?
And he said: ‘I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven’ (Matthew 18:3, 4).
God meant His Word to be understood. The Gospel of Jesus Christ and all the epistles that make up the New Testament were written in the Greek language used by the common people of the day.
However, there are two requirements for being able to understand the Word of God:
1. We must have the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you (John 14:26).
The Bible teaches that a man without the Spirit cannot understand spiritual truths. It is very important as we study spiritual truth that we seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:13, 14).
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southernlass
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2. We must seek the Truth.
Scripture also reveals that the truth is revealed to those that seek it with a pure heart. In other words, Scripture is revealed to those who are not encumbered by ulterior motives. If you are studying the Word to prove your opinion, or to support your own personal theology, you will not find Truth. Truth is revealed to those who honestly want to know the truth of the Word.
These passages indicate that if we do not approach the Word with a mind open to the truth of God we may not be able to receive it.
The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth (Psalm 145:18).
And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18: 3).
The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple (Psalm 119:130).
Our pride, our education, our positions, our accomplishments and even our ideas can frustrate the pursuit of truth.
At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children” (Matthew 11:25).
For it is written: ‘I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.’ Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world (1 Corinthians 1:19, 20)?
Before we go any further, ask the Holy Spirit to reveal any ulterior motives and any biases that may hinder your pursuit of truth.
There will be false teachers among you
One vital reason to handle the Word of Truth correctly is to defend against false doctrines and false teachers. These teachers and doctrines are not just cults and false religions. They find their way into Christian churches that are not defending against them. The Scripture indicates that deception will increase in the household of God until there will be little truth remaining. Jesus stated that the deception would be so strong that even the elect would be deceived, if that were possible.
many false prophets will appear and deceive many people (Matthew 24:11).
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves (2 Peter 2:1).
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths (2 Timothy 4:3, 4).
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time (Matthew 24:24, 25).
The extent to which false doctrine is manifest today is indeed frightening. This is particularly true regarding much of what we hear about the return of Jesus Christ. The purpose of this book is not to investigate false teachings. However, our understanding of the doctrine of the return of Christ and the resurrection of believers will certainly help reveal what is false about the popular teachings of our day.
Since there are many false teachers and much deception in the household of God, it will be helpful for us to know the characteristics of those who proclaim the Word falsely. Thankfully, God revealed a great deal about false prophets in the Old Testament. Listen to what He says in Jeremiah and Ezekiel.
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. They keep saying to those who despise me, 'The LORD says: You will have peace.' And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, 'No harm will come to you.' But which of them has stood in the council of the LORD to see or to hear his word? … "Therefore," declares the LORD, "I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from me (Jeremiah 23:16-30).
The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: 'Hear the word of the LORD! This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! … Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The LORD declares," when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled (Ezekiel 13:1-6).
Characteristics of false prophets:
1. They speak from their own imaginations.
2. They do not have a word from God.
3. They prophesy false hope, “No harm will come to you.”
4. They take words from one another supposedly from God.
5. They expect their words to be fulfilled.
Fortunately, we have the complete revelation of God’s Word in Scripture and are able to test everything against the Word to see if what we are told is true.
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| Oct 7 @ 1:55 AM |
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southernlass
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The Bible is the Word of Truth.
Both the Old and New Testaments have stood the test of time as the uniquely inspired Word of God. For the seeker of truth the Bible has revealed itself as the completely credible and authoritative communication from the Creator.
your word, O LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens (Psalms 119:89).
Righteous are you, O LORD, and your laws are right. The statutes you have laid down are righteous; they are fully trustworthy (Psalm 119:137, 138).
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20, 21).
2. What is prophesied will happen.
One of the distinguishing characteristics of the Holy Bible is that it makes clear predictions concerning what will happen in the future. To date, approximately one-half of the Bible’s prophecies have been fulfilled just as they were foretold.
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms (Luke 24:44).
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished (Matthew 5:18).
The prophets of God whom we encounter in Scripture were established by the standard set forth in Deuteronomy 18:22. Their prophecies have been (or will be) fulfilled just as they are written.
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken (Deuteronomy 18:22).
To date, about one half of their prophecies have been fulfilled which means that the other half will be fulfilled sometime in the future. The majority of these unfulfilled prophecies relate to the Return of Jesus Christ and the coming Kingdom of God on earth.
3. We can understand the truth.
As we have already discussed, God tells us we can read and understand the Word of Truth. He has not made it difficult or complicated. To the contrary, He has made it so straightforward that He tells us that we must come to it as little children.
For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand (2 Corinthians 1:13).
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you (Matthew 7:7).
The Lord also tells us that the Holy Spirit will guide and teach us all things to ensure that we understand the truth of the Gospel.
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you (John 14:26).
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come (John 16:13).
4. Don’t add to or take away from the Word.
Because God desires that we know and understand the truth He has provided clear instructions so we will know how to read and understand the Word of Truth. These instructions reveal to us that we are not to go beyond what He has said. These instructions protect us from the notion that the Bible does not mean what it says or that it means something that it does not state. Read the examples of these biblical instructions and see for yourself how emphatic the Lord is regarding His Word.
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you (Deuteronomy 4:2).
See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it (Deuteronomy 12:32).
Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar (Proverbs 30:5, 6).
Remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the days of trouble come … before the sun and the light and the moon and the stars grow dark … The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true … Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them (Ecclesiastes 12:1-12).
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. …’Do not go beyond what is written.’ Then you will not take pride in one man over against another (I Corinthians 4:5, 6).
http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/word_of_truth.htm
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| Oct 7 @ 5:15 AM |
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Koray
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could you summarize for people who dont take bible quotes as any sorta evidence , the point you were making
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| Oct 7 @ 7:49 AM |
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yashaenka
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She just got stuck in the C&P mode. 
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| Oct 7 @ 8:18 AM |
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could you summarize for people who dont take bible quotes as any sorta evidence , the point you were making The christians can't help themselves. They use the Bible we don't believe in to PROVE that what they believe in is true. They quote Bible verses from all over the Bible and put them together until they get proof that what they believe is true.
Alive said:
You'd think the creator of heaven and Earth and all in between would have gotten it right the first time with the first draft (would the all powerful creator even need a first draft??) and made sure his undisputed, undefeated, written absolute word didn't hit the bookstores as the contradictory, confusing, historically and scientifically inaccurate clusterf*ck that it is... SL said:
I'm sure God did get it right. This doesn't prevent others from attempting to tamper with His word for their own purposes though, does it? Free will, remember? So, does mans "free will" over ride Gods will? In other words, if man really has a free will, he can take Gods supposed word, the Bible, and add and take away from it until it's no longer Gods word? So why do you christians put so much faith in a Bible that's obviously not Gods word?
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| Oct 7 @ 8:23 AM |
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yashaenka
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he can take Gods supposed word, the Bible, and add and take away from it until it's no longer Gods word? That is exactly what has been going on ever since the bible was published and common folk were allowed to read.
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| Oct 7 @ 9:00 AM |
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southernlass
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could you summarize for people who dont take bible quotes as any sorta evidence , the point you were making
I did summarize the point I was making. I said, based upon Alive's statement of:
You'd think the creator of heaven and Earth and all in between would have gotten it right the first time with the first draft (would the all powerful creator even need a first draft??) and made sure his undisputed, undefeated, written absolute word didn't hit the bookstores as the contradictory, confusing, historically and scientifically inaccurate clusterf*ck that it is...
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I'm sure God did get it right. This doesn't prevent others from attempting to tamper with His word for their own purposes though, does it? Free will, remember?
God already told us that people would attempt to twist His word and preach false doctrine, changing His orginal message entirely. I would say that's definitely ocurring and has been occurring for awhile.
Basically, I included a very excellent reading on what the Bible itself says regarding those who attempt to change it, add to it, take away from it, etc. There are obviously many scriptural references to people doing exactly this as we grow into a state of apostasy with an apostic Christian church.
God's message, His word, will be watered down into something unrecognizable, where people twist and manipulate His message into something that appeals to them. Or in other words, they'll pull their "create their own religion/god" deal and force an interpretation on the bible that isn't accurate, or attempt to claim it states what it doesn't state.
They will create whole new doctrine that is false and twisted, because they don't want to believe and follow the simple things that God and Jesus asked of them in the word of God. And people will blindly follow these false teachings, right literally into hell. The bible actually says that men will no longer accept what the bible says, that they will turn to a softer, false doctrine that will "tickle their ears."
The source is valid, whether you believe in the bible or not. The bible backs itself up. What it says is true. People are doing exactly what it said they would.
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| Oct 7 @ 9:03 AM |
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yashaenka
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The source is valid, whether you believe in the bible or not. The bible backs itself up. What it says is true. You can say this all you want but yet you have no proof at all to verify what you say.
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