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Banned_Knots
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How do you take the view?
I very much like the saying that "our loved ones are our enemies and our enemies are our true friends." For me this brings a great warmth of heart and understanding for those around me who try to cause harm towards me in any shape or form. I must thank them for giving me the greatest opportunities.
When we are surrounded by love and peace the opportunities to develop spiritually are far and few. Nothing wrong with this in itself and many people choose this way on their paths.
When we are faced with our enemies we are often thrust into worldly, emotional chaos that we try to grasp in all its forms to make sense of it all. Trying to find our peace amongst hurt, hate, anger, despair, revenge, and all the other negative emotions that arise, even, our grasping to our self identity the cause of much turmoils.
When with a loving friend we dont experience anger hence we do not know how to transform or let go of anger. When we are with an enemy we can see our anger arise within us and have the opportunity to transform it into love and compassion with wisdom developing ourselves into a true spiritual being.
Much of our community and worldly problems are due to lack of this transformation.
Brings to mind why we build armies and borders, invade other countries instead of helping and sharing.
Brings to mind why fight and argue instead of listening and replying in compassion.
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| Oct 7 @ 8:57 AM |
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yashaenka
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The true mark of a person is who their friends are and those they surround them selves with!
Chaos is as Chaos does there are two ways to enter a life of Chaos voluntary and involuntary either way one needs to climb out of the box of Chaos as quickly as they can, no good will ever come of it.
Hold your friends closely hold your enemies even closer.
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| Oct 7 @ 9:19 AM |
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Jankia
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The true mark of a person is who their friends are and those they surround them selves with! Thats pretty evident in your case isnt it.
For a fellow that hasnt a friend in his friends list but claims to be on here to exchange viewpoints with on line friends. we can only assume you hold the mark of your buddy,master and teacher... iamahammer. 
Thats how I take the view. 
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| Oct 7 @ 9:47 AM |
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yashaenka
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You are again showing what a nimwit you are. On the internet one does not make friends they make virtual friends. As far as my friends list I emptied it as most people who want to be added to your friends list use it in a way that has no real meaning.
There you go again sputtering more nonsense Forgive them for they know not what they do 
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| Oct 7 @ 10:23 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Knots,
I agree with your original post, but feel that using the label "enemies" was the wrong choice of words. I have no enemies. I have people that do not see things the same as I do, but I do not consider these people to be enemies.
People of different beliefs (not only spiritual or religious) either help to verify my very beliefs or cause me to expand my belief base by broadening my knowledge. In both cases these people, in spite of themselves, are positive influences in my development.
To label such people as "enemies" is wrong. Anyone that contributes positively to my life experience can only be labeled an "asset".
Peace
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| Oct 7 @ 10:26 AM |
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CPUfan
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People of different beliefs (not only spiritual or religious) either help to verify my very beliefs or cause me to expand my belief base by broadening my knowledge. In both cases these people, in spite of themselves, are positive influences in my development. 
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| Oct 7 @ 3:41 PM |
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Jankia
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You are again showing what a nimwit you are. On the internet one does not make friends they make virtual friends.
 Arent you the same lad that claims to be so highly educated?
Thanks for proving that another line of BS.
This "nimwit" your so fond of calling out actually met his gal on this internet site and another gal from Illinois who still keeps me informed about her son in the Army.
Someday soon I'll be traveling south to meet another MD user....Budo, for some fishing.He isnt on here any longer but still keeps in touch.
So..who is the nimwit,one who says he cannot make friends over the internet?
Enjoy your virtual friendships in your little dreamland yashaenka while the rest of us enjoy those that are actual.
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| Oct 7 @ 3:52 PM |
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stop with the stupid personal p****** match.  stick to the topic which is 'general' and not referring to any one (or two) individuals. 
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| Oct 7 @ 4:13 PM |
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iam01
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This is what happens to people challenging others to a pissing contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er-M7HKknKM
We certainly have the Masters to learn from..
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| Oct 7 @ 4:37 PM |
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bunnybiz
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Knots, what you stated is very true and I agree with it. Without any challenges how can anyone grow spiritually? It is nice to be out of the fire for awhile but too long we grow complacent and our growth is stunted.
Sail, I like what you said about labels. Just as the subject of good and evil are just perceptions or illusions, then such as with labels of enemies. They are there to spur us on in our spiritual growth. And that is an asset.
Yash, you are right. We need to get out of chaos and get back to order. However, I believe there is a balance between all of this. Finding that balance is our struggle in growing spiritually.
Thank you all.
To me pain and suffering are my companions on my journey in this life. I am learning to embrace them and learn from them. Not very easy lessons to learn but necessary and sometimes, I can see the joy and peace from them.
[Edited on 10/7/2009 4:59 PM]
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| Oct 7 @ 4:38 PM |
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iam, there are times you get pretty close to finding out what a nde really is in this forum. 
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| Oct 7 @ 5:09 PM |
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Deborah551
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This "nimwit" your so fond of calling out actually met his gal on this internet site and another gal from Illinois who still keeps me informed about her son in the Army.
Someday soon I'll be traveling south to meet another MD user....Budo, for some fishing.He isnt on here any longer but still keeps in touch Are you ever going to stop bragging about finding your gal on this site? If you read the profiles you would know many of us aren't here to find a date or mate. I already have a mate so I just want to have conversation and online friendships. I have my own real friends and most the people I like on R&S live thousands of miles from me. So, unless I or they travel, I won't be meeting most of them. I have met people in real life from other forums though. That is, when I was a Universalists Christian.
For a fellow that hasnt a friend in his friends list but claims to be on here to Maybe he has real friends here and not imaginary ones like you have Jankia. So what, people claim people as friends all the time and they don't know them and all they really are is acquaintances. Just putting up a picture of someone doesn't make them a friend.
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| Oct 7 @ 5:18 PM |
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can we please stop with the personal stuff? it's not relevant to the actual topic.
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| Oct 7 @ 5:21 PM |
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Jankia
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Are you ever going to stop bragging about finding your gal on this site? Call it bragging if you like..thats expected but to answer your question...no.
Not when I can use it as proof against people like you that have a problem with people like me.
Maybe he has real friends here and not imaginary ones like you have Jankia Please name one or shut up and mind your own business.
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| Oct 7 @ 5:30 PM |
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iam01
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iam, there are times you get pretty close to finding out what a nde really is in this forum.
I should be having an NDE in the next hour or so. I'm almost halfway through drinking a gallon of Gavilyte-G for tomorrows probing. Can you figure out what I'm talking about?
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| Oct 7 @ 5:42 PM |
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iam01
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When with a loving friend we dont experience anger hence we do not know how to transform or let go of anger. When we are with an enemy we can see our anger arise within us and have the opportunity to transform it into love and compassion with wisdom developing ourselves into a true spiritual being.
So your point is that we need to be challenged. We do need it. We get stronger from competition. Its the reason for sport and martial art way. We need to play. We see most animals playing as preparation for the real thing. We are no different.
The warrior spirit is what makes a hero. An old motif in every culture of someone who is willing to self-sacrifice for the many, the greater good, the ideals we strive for. We want to develop these characteristics within ourselves. However, such a thing can be taken too far into a pathology of martyrdom of suicidal behavior. Its important to know balance. The eastern path is all about balance if nothing else.
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| Oct 7 @ 5:53 PM |
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BandTMom
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Brings to mind why fight and argue instead of listening and replying in compassion.
I can see this. It seems many are not "happy" unless there is some type of strife in their lives....even if it's stirring up discontent on a dating site. 
I agree that when we grow complacent in our lives, we are most likely going to stagnant in both our spiritual growth and our learning experiences. Sometimes a good kick in the pants gets us going again. 
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| Oct 7 @ 5:57 PM |
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gunn12fan
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I hate people that spread hate and discontentment
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| Oct 7 @ 5:59 PM |
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iam01
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I'm hating tomorrow's roto-rooter.
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| Oct 7 @ 5:59 PM |
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BandTMom
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I can't say that I hate anyone. I CAN say there are people I like more than others, but I try to have compassion for all. I don't always succeed, but the intent is there.
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