| Oct 21, 2009 @ 9:45 PM |
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Jankia
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Thanks Southernlass but its futile in trying to stop a contemptuous attitude towards me regardless if it was wrong or not.
Just let it go and let him believe whatever he pleases.Its his chin to hold up not yours or mine.
Its puzzling sometimes to try and understand why certain non-Christians will use the good in Christianity to chastise Christians for not being true to their religious beliefs...yet they ignore the good in it themselves on here until its needed to show the bad in others.
Its as illogical as people that wont help a homeless person because they work there butts off to have a home to live in and expect the same done by everyone.......until theyre homeless themselves.
Kattsmeow and I are still good friends like we always were,nothings changed about that so if there is a case that needs closing...it isnt mine or yours.
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| Oct 21, 2009 @ 11:01 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Thanks Southernlass but its futile in trying to stop a contemptuous attitude towards me regardless if it was wrong or not. Well, that's not really true. People always like to say "I'm like an elephant, I never forget" but mostly, I have found people to be better than they think of themselves and that they forgive pretty quickly.
The only thing it really takes is for someone to come off their high horse and quick acting like a jerk. I think it is usually best not to ask for, or offer any apologies, but just to start a new page. If you start treating people with a little respect, it naturally comes back the other way. Mostly the people on here are pretty decent folks. They usually don't get irrate without just cause, and people forget past grievances very quickly.
Kattsmeow and I are still good friends like we always were,nothings changed about that so if there is a case that needs closing...it isnt mine or yours. The more I know Katt the more I respect her. After you dissed her, and yes, though she forgives you, you did just that, but anyhow, after that, a lesser person would have reveled in the angst that was drawn against you on her behalf. She didn't do that. As a matter of fact, she came back to shield you from their anger. If that is no Christ-like, then I don't know what is. That is what Christ asks of all of us, but few actually can pull it off. Narrow is the road, and few are they taht find it.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 10:28 AM |
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yashaenka
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We may call Him by different names, but internally we are all born with the conception of God SL please do not make such statements without any proof of it's existence. 
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 11:03 AM |
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iam01
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We may call Him by different names, but internally we are all born with the conception of God What a useful idiot thing to say from someone who doesn't know about child development or cognitive science. Its really an idiotic statement from someone who never studied science or even psychology. 
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 11:32 AM |
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alivenwell351
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Its puzzling sometimes to try and understand why certain non-Christians will use the good in Christianity to chastise Christians for not being true to their religious beliefs...yet they ignore the good in it themselves on here until its needed to show the bad in others.
Nothing puzzling about it at all. Pretty simple actually. Religion aside, anyone who claims to be SOMETHING...ANYTHING... has set themselves up to be judged by and scrutinized if they don't live up to, the reasonably accepted standards of whatever it is they profess to be.
For instance, someone who presents himself as a contractor but not only consistently is undependable and does shoddy work, but intentionally rips people off, is no contractor. That person is a fraud who is trying to pass his/her self off as a contractor. And that person can huff & puff, alibi, and try to shift the focus to someone/something else all they want to, but that doesn't change the fact that person claimed to be something, but by HIS/HER OWN ACTIONS, has shown themselves not to be as advertised. And that person has no one but his/her self to blame for whatever heat, fairly or unfairly, comes their way because of it.
Now if that contractor should decide to change his/her ways by making retribution to those he/she ripped off, becoming dependable and doing good work, and striving to conduct his/her business honestly, that person can then legitimately claim to be a contractor. And that contractor might be pleasantly surprised to see so many of those who had once condemned him/her on their past way of doing things, applauding him/her for the change they've made for the good.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 11:44 AM |
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iam01
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Its puzzling sometimes to try and understand why certain non-Christians will use the good in Christianity to chastise Christians for not being true to their religious beliefs...yet they ignore the good in it themselves on here until its needed to show the bad in others. Its puzzling that anyone thinks there is much good in it or enough good to saturate young minds with lies, fables and deception. For many, its just an excuse to get out the house and socialize. I've even told a few who were socially inept to go find a pray group because they were so isolated in the country and had no where else to go. How sad is that? You can't shop at Walmart for everything or wait for a state fair to see other people's farm animals or attend a cherry pit spitting contest.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 1:08 PM |
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yashaenka
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The measure of a persons level of morality is based not upon religion but the acceptable social mores unique to each country, state, county and city.
You cannot judge a person raised within a system that you know nothing about. You cannot apply your social mores upon another person or country as you well may be well intentioned but you may release other forces in that country that are much worse out of your own ignorance.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 2:59 PM |
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Jankia
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alive- Nothing puzzling about it at all. Pretty simple actually. Religion aside, anyone who claims to be SOMETHING...ANYTHING... has set themselves up to be judged by and scrutinized if they don't live up to, the reasonably accepted standards of whatever it is they profess to be. Being a contractor myself I'll assume you werent speaking of me in your hypothesis so we'll leaveit at that...but since this is a religous forum lets not put religion aside and try to stick towards giving your opinion....as to why certain non-Christians will use the good in Christianity to chastise Christians for not being true to their religious beliefs,yet ignore the good in it themselves on here until its needed to show the bad in others.
yash-You cannot judge a person raised within a system that you know nothing about. I'll kindly ask you why you do that yourself when you say one cannot? 
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 3:57 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Jankia, isn't it nice to read such warm words written by others concerning your friendship with Katt. I don't think that one guy,( who claims to be a Christian), truly understands the nature of a Christian. he says he's a Christian, but he's always dissing you in public. What kind of brotherly love is that?
Hopefully though, like most of us other Christians, he'll allow the Holy Spirit to lead him into a more complete understanding of Christianity. None of us are perfect on our own. We all need the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
We make it easier for the Holy Spirit to do His work in us though if we listen to Him.
But like Saul of Tarsus, (the apostle Paul), occasionally He must take greater measures to get our attention. I see a few in this forum who seem to be almost daring Him.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 4:04 PM |
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iam01
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I don't think that one guy,( who claims to be a Christian), truly understands the nature of a Christian. he says he's a Christian, but he's always dissing you in public. What kind of brotherly love is that? What kind of Christian are you for not knowing even Jesus scolded his own Apostles. You call it dissing.
We make it easier for the Holy Spirit to do His work in us though if we listen to Him. If you're hearing voices again, those hallucinations are back. If you feel your mind being controlled, you're a human Ouija board.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 4:23 PM |
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uncrazy
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Servant relates...
I don't think that one guy,( who claims to be a Christian), truly understands the nature of a Christian. he says he's a Christian, but he's always dissing you in public. What kind of brotherly love is that?
I am reminded by the words "dissing you in public" of the recent discussion that christians are to take erring christians aside to admonish their bad behavior.
I spent time in a small village in the bible belt and experienced a lot of behavior by church attending and saved christians. The village was full of christians served by 7-8 churches.
I once received a call from one of these christians, that if I didn't get my clerk(one of many people this village didn't tolerate) out of the store in the next 20 minutes, I would find him hanging in a tree behind my store.
Another shopper suffered a broken arm from her husband because she wouldn't sleep with his brother.
A group of home invaders were still in attendance at one church.
Each of the above was justified by the use of the bible.
These people sat in churches next to law enforcement and social service providers...nothing was done. I guess this is the benefit of being saved...I guess this is where the quiet admonishment has been used.
One of these criminals is now the asst. pastor of one of the churches.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 4:41 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Am I surprised that you haven't got a clue about what I write h?
No. I am not.
He speaks to His children in a still, small voice. Millions have heard Him. Undoubtedly dozens even here at MD.
But unless some fairly dramatic changes take place in your relationship with Him, I do not believe you will ever hear His soft, loving Voice.
The Voice you will likely hear cannot be muted.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 4:45 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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And h, what I referred to as dissing was not the same thing as scolding.
I do know the difference. Apparently you do not.
It was not scolding.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 4:47 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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"Jankia, you are a an embarrasement "
Scolding???
I think not.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 5:12 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Jankia...
I don't even know your name, let alone what you do for a living...
Being that I chose to address something in the way I chose to do it, as an intended non combative, non confrontational "parable" kind of thing, since I've been in construction in one form or another since 1970, and from 1983 till 2007, was an incorporated, self employed builder/contractor, "parablising" from that perspective just came naturally.
That's how I chose to address a point I decided to address. Anyone is free to read it or ignore it, and if they chose to read it, take from it what they will, or take nothing from it at all. And like you and everyone else on here who can and does chose which topic and/or question they want to address and which one they don't, I do too.
Your (generic) fault, my (generic) fault, nobodies fault...this thread by nature seems to be adversarial most all the time. I suppose if one wants to conclude that because of that adversarial nature I likely haven't precisely said anything specific about the good religious folks (not to be confused with organized religion..JMO) do a lot of, that I somehow must automatically see religion and/or the people who believe in it as all and/or only evil, so be it. Of course for one to do so, one would have to ignore the fact that over a long period of time I've consistently stood up for believers' right to believe as they see fit even though I might disagree with their belief (admittedly with the stipulation that those beliefs don't infringe on my right to believe differently) and that I've been known to stick up for a believer or two in these threads from time to time. I would think any reasonable person would conclude that at worst, I must not think that at least the spiritual context of religion is all completely bad. But then opinions are like***********, everybody has one.....
[Edited on 10/22/2009 5:32 PM]
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 5:35 PM |
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Jankia
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alive-I didnt think you did. 
Actually I really would like to know why....certain non-Christians will use the good in Christianity to chastise Christians for not being true to their religious beliefs,yet ignore the good in it themselves on here until its needed to show the bad in others.
Thats why I started the thread that got shut down.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 6:32 PM |
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Deborah551
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Jankia said:
Actually I really would like to know why....certain non-Christians will use the good in Christianity to chastise Christians for not being true to their religious beliefs,yet ignore the good in it themselves on here until its needed to show the bad in others. Please explain this statement, Jankia, because I don't understand what you are saying. I think you're saying that we unbelievers only mention your bad behavior and never your good? It doesn't make sense to me. Sorry.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 7:47 PM |
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Jankia
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Deb-No...I'm wondering why certain unbelievers only mention the bad behavior of Christianities past as a whole and individual Christians in the present and and never the good Christianity does today.
Is that because they dont look for anything good in a belief that isnt there own so they dont see it.
Or do they see it but since there mind is allready made up,they cannot help but refuse to acknowledge it.
It seems that some people have the idea that following the Christian faith means we are above being wrong or evil and some Christians have the idea that certain unbelievers are wrong or evil because they dont believe.
To me it doesnt matter if your religious,atheist or agnostic...its not the belief that makes people proper...its how proper they are believing in it.
Thats a problem for all of us including myself.
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 10:25 PM |
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alivenwell351
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I think there would be a lot more credit given where due when due, if it weren't for the overwhelming adversarial nature of this thread. Seems like no matter what...no matter how innocent or civilly something being discussed starts out, it almost always quickly turns into the latest round of the "believers vs. heathens" show. Where one side says white, the other automatically says black...one side says up and the other says down.
I've got this "rubbing the cat the wrong way" kind of feeling about what I'm about to say...kind of like knowing this is damn sure going to get thrown back at me sooner or later...probably sooner...but oh well.....
It's funny...yesterday I had some time to kill and I went back through some of what I've posted on the various R&S threads. Kind of had to do a little "soul searching" of my own self after that. Fact is, given the way I've sometimes been guilty of conducting myself...without even realizing what an asshole I was being at the time... I don't have a damn thing to be bitching at anyone else about the way they might be conducting themselves...right as I may still believe to have been about the substance of this or that.
It's pretty hard to get a message across when actually, all you're doing is trying to trash the other messenger. I few days ago I said to someone that they had no business asking for that which they were unwilling to give.
Me either!!
Right or wrong has nothing to do with whether you're a heathen or a believer or somewhere in between. It only has to do with whether or not you/me/we want to start acting like civilized fkn humans!!!
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| Oct 22, 2009 @ 11:10 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Absolutely. 
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