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dizzydoll
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And a good way to restore faith in their cause. The legal system worldwide doesnt protect its children. Its time for all of us to put pressure on the church to take up this task with government. Even if YOU dont care for the church, your disrespect might be the very linchpin to make them move their butts.
As individuals we cannot do it alone, the church must help. Communities should start pressurizing their church ministers to go right to the top of whatever their denomination, to insist they are heard to put NEW child protection laws into place.
They DONT even prosecute the purchaser in human trafficking networks, today its bigger business than trafficking drugs. Rich guys are buying flesh, they should be brought to justice and their faces should be displayed all over the media for all to see. But the law doesnt prosecute the buyer (worldwide). Why?
They could prosecute Internet Service Providers who refuse to put filters in place to block child porn but they dont. Why? And this is an ever growing business. Personally, I think its time we let some powerful women leaders take the reigns, to put laws in place to deal with all of these individuals making a $hit load of money out of online child porn. ALL
We should ALL be bombarding the legal system over and over again till they get so sick of it.. they have no other choice but address the problem. I figured the best way to do that is to get churches involved in your area... and they must find a way to go right to the top on our behalf.
They usually put them in protective custody so the general population never see them...most of them only get 2 or three years and are out in 8 months. I can only surmise that most people don't give a shit ..unless it happens to their child...otherwise the laws would have changed years ago.
Everybody gets up in arms when you mention the word pedophile...they should be boiled in hot oil...stuff like that...but ..where the rubber meets the road ..your not going to find many people pressuring the government to change the laws. We have had a few demonstrations in Alberta but not many people show up. I showed up once and there were only ten people...didn't even make it on the six oclock news.
Borty posted this as a comment in the blogs. Too sad  When are we, as a united front, going to make a difference? We should get our communities to send letters to their churches every day and never let up until these churches represent us in government.
If the church can pull this one of my respect for them will improve vastly. Lets please all do our bit to improve the life for the worlds children.
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| Oct 22 @ 5:50 AM |
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dizzydoll
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oh, and we all know there are church ministers who are pedophiles. 
Thats not the discussion here so please, lets not be side-tracked.
This is a serious topic that needs to be addressed ASAP 
actually the heading of this thread should be in capitals.
TIME FOR THE CHURCH TO HELP NOW
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| Oct 22 @ 7:36 AM |
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You're referring to the sex slave trade here as well as child porn, right Doll?
I absolutely agree that buying from illicit sites is criminal and should carry the same sentences as sale and distribution. The consumer of pedophile material is every bit as responsible for this abuse, as the people who actually enslave these children. But in the UK and elsewhere, storage and distribution of pedophile material are criminal offenses. Certainly if there are sites selling it, these should be shut down and the owners arrested. I believe this is already happening. Thailand for instance is clamping down heavily on pedophile porn and pedophile sex tourism. Happily a number of Western pedophiles have been prosecuted and are facing the prospect of long sentences in very harsh Third World prisons... which they deserve for just being arrested there.
The web is another problem. Apparently the servers are difficult to locate as - probably like hackers and phishers - they seem to conceal themselves through the IP numbers of hijacked zombie PCs. But certainly if religious organisations, NGOs and QuANGOs in all countries assisted in pressurising their governments to change the laws governing acquisition, this would have the biggest impact on the trade.
The Catholic Church has taken a lot of hits recently for both revelations of abuse and the official cover-up of abuse in its ranks. It would certainly help their image if they took the lead in a campaign against trafficking and distribution of this nature.  Not least because Catholics on numerous continents look to the spiritual guidance of the Pope and the Vatican.
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| Oct 22 @ 8:50 AM |
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yashaenka
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| Oct 22 @ 9:00 AM |
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yashaenka
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Let us get realistic about this. This has been going on for centuries underground the internet is just a new wrinkle to porn worldwide which shines more light on it.
Countries, States and Cities around the world all have more than enough other problems with law and order that when trafficking of minors hits the news they will give it some attention then go back to ignoring it again.
You would need to start with stomping out prostitution good luck with that it will not happen. As for the internet these criminals work across country lines while hiding behind bogus IP addresses through a variety of different means.
The UN is supposed to have the lead on this but that also is a joke.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:01 AM |
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dizzydoll
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you see doll, if i was government and i said to all the ISP operations that i was going to connect spyware to their servers and if anything "slips through" or "pops up" they will pay $20,000 fine for every indiscretion. If this strict control was introduced they would connect filters VERY quickly. I have already been told by a software developer that this is possible to do. Trouble is, the ISP operator is only interested in money and until laws are put in place to control them, money remains more important.
secondly, i saw a Dr Phil show (please dont lets get into a slinging match about him) dealing with this very problem in the law where "the buyer" is not prosecuted. One of the women on the panel stated only "the seller" is prosecuted. If i recall she said this is a legal problem worldwide. check with your own legal system, you will see.
jail terms are far too short and a pedophile should not be incarcerated separately. why?  the whole situation is very disturbing and needs immediate attention. like you say of the church:
It would certainly help their image if they took the lead in a campaign against trafficking and distribution of this nature.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:10 AM |
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iam01
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I think its ridiculous turning to institutions that have exploited children to protect them. This is a political problem and churches are as much targets as those who run the slave trade. Its really none of their business anyway. This is a political problem and its really something that needs to be addressed at the UN. Too many small and loosely run governments where the sex trade thrives is the problem. Pressure, sanctions, and economic incentives need to be used.
They could prosecute Internet Service Providers who refuse to put filters in place to block child porn but they dont. Why? Because its technically impossible. That would entail employing thousands of people viewing every single video in its entirety and every image that may only be stored on their servers for hours, minutes or seconds or simply routed through networks without being stored as in P2P communications. Also, encrypted data can not be viewed by ISPs. I think self policing methods work better. If you see something, say something.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:13 AM |
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dizzydoll
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Let us get realistic about this. This has been going on for centuries underground the internet is just a new wrinkle to porn worldwide which shines more light on it.
so, what does that mean. it doesnt mean our hands are tied. it must be stopped. that is our challenge and we must face it head on.
if you or i tried to begin a organisation to deal with this we will NEVER be heard as is presently the case. BUT if churches began pushing with a lot of signatures and letters from the public to back them up then governments worldwide WOULD sit up and take notice. The church even has the funds to advertise for support and many people like me would support them even though i dont attend services.
we cannot keep turning away from the problem... the abused often becomes the abuser and this child porn and exploitation is worse now more than any other time in history. we all know it, it isnt just because the internet shines a light on it.... in fact human trafficking has increased rapidly in the last few years.\
Because its technically impossible
crap its not impossible. speak to software developers they will tell you its possible to put filters on the servers to block child porn. For God sake they have written spyware programs to see everything
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| Oct 22 @ 9:15 AM |
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yashaenka
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There are about 195 countries in the world, who is going to make the African and Middle Eastern countries enforce their laws? Not to mention some countries like Bosnia, and others who were in wars or are in wars so this is very low on their priorities.
At best all we can do here is expose that the sex trade even with children is going on right here in America. Poor Asians, blacks and Latinos are brought across our borders daily then a lot of the young girls are sold into sexual slavery.
Writing laws will not do it as the laws have been written but only lightly enforce, why? Cost to cities and states. How many decades alone did it take us to break up the largest Mafia groups here in this country.
Believe it or not some of the largest drug cartels now push less drugs because the enforcement is better so they have turned the selling of children as it is more profitable and where a drug sell happens one time a child in prostitution can be used many many times for profit. The younger they are the more money they bring.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:17 AM |
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dizzydoll
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who is buying?... they need to be prosecuted from now on
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| Oct 22 @ 9:25 AM |
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Jankia
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Churches...at least I know our Methodist church has been putting effort towards childrens safe sanctuary for some time now.I also know that much work is being done through Rescue & Restore by many churches to rescue children from sexual slavery all over the world.
To consider this is only a political problem is nothing but BS and a feeble attempt to keep a blind eye on our personal responsibility to protect our children.This is an important concern for everyone so you might want to place a thread similar to this one in the current events forum so more organizations like business and sports clubs are made aware of the need for help.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:26 AM |
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iam01
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crap its not impossible. speak to software developers they will tell you its possible to put filters on the servers to block child porn. For God sake they have written spyware programs to see everything Sorry, this is not your expertise and I managed sw development teams. Encrypted data is impossible to filter unless you have a no-encryption policy. No one will do that. Private communications between people are only going to get stronger and no one should be able to eavesdrop either. Its an invasion of privacy. Spyware can only read unencrypted information. Ethical social engineering will go much further.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:32 AM |
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iam01
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I got a great idea for what churches can do. Pray. Let them do what they know best? 
Well, its not really what they know best but its all they're qualified to do.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:42 AM |
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dizzydoll
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This is an important concern for everyone so you might want to place a thread similar to this one in the current events forum so more organizations like business and sports clubs are made aware of the need for help.
Jankia, i am not familiar with the forums, where is the events section to get sports clubs and businesses involved.?
Personally i feel unless we are going to be forceful about this with millions of letters and signatures to back our voices, nothing will change. The only reason why i thought of the churches is cos every town has at least one church and it shouldnt take too long to get people behind the church to get government to change MANY laws regarding this. I am not convinced that ISP organisations are not able to write software to monitor the people who use their network.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:46 AM |
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yashaenka
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Only a very few people specially educated in the organization and structure of the internet really understand the how and why of it's construction. Policing the inet may seem simple to those who do not have this training but believe me it is not easy it is very complicated.
You can spoof IP addresses and may use 3 to 5 computers to do so without the owners even being aware that you are doing so. That makes them virtually untraceable. Then there is the issue of different State laws in this country all States are not alike in their laws.
China is a perfect example of a country trying to filter Internet content from their citizens and it does work for some but not others. There are many work arounds to over come filtering systems and it is cost intensive to monitor them and to make them work.
There were 2,970,000,000 web pages indexed by Netcraft as of February 2007, and 70,392,567 websites were indexed by Yahoo! as of August 2005. These are the most recent figures:the longer or later on in the year it goes there will be more websites so you could check it one day and then the next day check and 1000 more sites could be up Just who is going to filter all those sites?
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| Oct 22 @ 9:47 AM |
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iam01
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Dizzy
Havent you seen Dateline NBC - To Catch A Predator With Chris Hansen? That's one of the best ways to catch pedophiles. That show never ceases to shock me. I can't believe what happens. They come into the home completely naked, many are school teachers and clergy. One guy brought his own kid with him. SICK!!!SICK!!!SICK!!! And where are they finding these idiots? In the Bible Belt.
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| Oct 22 @ 9:52 AM |
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| Oct 22 @ 9:56 AM |
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Jankia
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Jankia, i am not familiar with the forums, where is the events section to get sports clubs and businesses involved
MD has one right here dizzydoll.
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| Oct 22 @ 10:12 AM |
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Hi Doll..... 
The problem with politically asking churchs to get involved is they have been demonized by so many, kicked out of schools court houses and so on. The left loves to say "Seperation of Church and State" However in their ignorance that does not exist in our Constitution. Asking churchs to come forward to help the children (many already do) is a problem for those who hate or don't believe in God and have further demonized churchs for trying to save children from abortion, Our societies seem to be okay with killing babies, so I don't expect them to be sympathedic to children being molested or raped. As sad as that is
The laws around the planet for the most part seem to be more concerned about the rights of the guilty rather then the rights of the innocent  They attack churchs and protect perverts and call them selves caring feeling people 
They are the first to attack religion and their leaders when a perv is discovered among them, yet the bulk of the pervs in society are treated like victims. Many churchs do many good things around the world and are even killed and tortured for helping their fellow man, yet all we hear is about the bad, which is a small part of the good most do.
I agree something needs to be done to protect the children of the world, but as long as people believe it's okay to kill babies by the millions around the world, it's hard to convince them to protect the one's who survive death from molestation. Criminals who cry victim are given more rights and consideration then the actual victims
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| Oct 22 @ 10:20 AM |
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yashaenka
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Is your opinion based on direct experience from around the world or is it just arm chair rhetoric stated as a emotional opinion. Some of us have actually lived in different countries and speak multiple languages and have seen the evil in child slavery first hand.
The churches cannot even agree among them selves about there own religion how can you expect churches around the world to come together with a solid front about this?
First of all subtract the Catholic church from this as they have for a long time condoned it for their priest.
Before the reformation the Catholics and Hebrews lay with prostitutes and consorted with them 
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