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AngelLight
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“Sin”
Where do I begin?
Forgive my clichés
but, what can I say?
Refusing to listen
Refusing to speak
Refusing to touch
Maiming the weak.
Living hatred instead
of Love;
throwing dimes at the
homeless like we
believe it’s enough.
Making bombs on a
huge salary, then
taking your kids to
the art gallery. And
all the while they
won't have a clue
that when the bombs
fall, it was you who
blew them away;
masquerade betrayed.
Making light of the
less fortunate, then
blaming them for
their hellish torment.
And all the while they
haven’t a clue where
to go or what to do.
We have the means;
we have the time, but
we’d rather spend ours’
drinking red wine.
Get off your rear and
stop the preaching,
telling me that you
know Jesus. People are
dying ‘cause we refuse
to act, spewing politics
like it’s God who attacks.
And all the while we
haven’t a clue
that God is me,
that God is you.
Look in the mirror…
Look deep in your eyes…
What do you see?
Are you blinded by light?
As if you could lay
it all on a shelf,
when you abandon
one,
you abandon yourself.
Ok………
Now…..
Let's speak about LOVE;
When all is said,
when all is done,
have no doubt...
There is only ONE.
~© JDS 10/09/2009~
What are your personal thoughts about what might constitute "sin?"
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| Oct 24 @ 12:28 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Nice poem my friend. 
Although I'm sure there's much more to it than this. Briefly I would say this...
Sin is disobedience to our Heavenly Father as He is revealed in words of the Holy Bible.
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| Oct 24 @ 12:40 PM |
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iam01
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A sin is throwing away one's mind and intellect as one does with an ambition to no longer seek knowledge, logic and reason in their lives.
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| Oct 24 @ 1:30 PM |
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dizzydoll
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let he, who is without sin
cast the first stone
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| Oct 24 @ 1:43 PM |
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iam01
Posts: 6,265
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And what's cool about that is Jesus never said it. 
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| Oct 24 @ 2:16 PM |
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Angel54214
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John 8:
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Seems the Pharisees and the Scribes felt pretty guilty for sin they committed on this woman themselves. LOL.
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| Oct 24 @ 2:18 PM |
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j_goose
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Try as you may, the story of the adulteress is a later addition to the gospel.
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| Oct 24 @ 2:57 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
Posts: 7,434
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Would you say the were convicted of their sin Angel?
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| Oct 24 @ 3:01 PM |
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iam01
Posts: 6,265
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Try as you may, the story of the adulteress is a later addition to the gospel.
Apparently, Angel likes to cover up such facts that earlier manuscripts did not have that story but later ones did proving it was added by copyists. In the end, blind faith gullibles such SOC read it and have no clue as to its origin. For such readers, having the ambition to no longer employ knowledge, logic and reasoning is a good thing.
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| Oct 24 @ 3:15 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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| Oct 24 @ 3:23 PM |
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Angel54214
Posts: 18,169
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The Pericope de Adultera was an ommission not an addition...
http://www.bible-researcher.com/adult-hills.html
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| Oct 24 @ 3:26 PM |
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sail_dancer
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And all the while we
haven’t a clue
that God is me,
that God is you.
Look in the mirror…
Look deep in your eyes…
What do you see?
Are you blinded by light?
As if you could lay
it all on a shelf,
when you abandon
one,
you abandon yourself Wonderful verse !
Sin in my opinion is anything that gets in the way of our finding out for ourselves how true this verse actually is.
Peace
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| Oct 24 @ 3:34 PM |
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j_goose
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How long did it take you to go through all the google hits to find your infrmation?
Most agree with this:
External Evidence for the Addition of John 7:53-8:11
The external evidence that suggests that John 7:53-8:11 is inauthentic is overwhelming. First, important manuscripts lack this story. This story of the Woman Caught in Adultery is absent in reliable manuscripts such as P66, P75, Codices Sinaiticus, Vaticanus and a host of other manuscripts. Codices Alexandrinus and Ephraemi Rescriptus are defective at this point but a number of scholars agree that it is likely they did not contain this story.
This passage is also absent in several Old Latin manuscripts, the Old Syriac, the best Peshitta manuscripts, the Old Gregorian version as well as the Gothic version. Significantly, no Greek Church father within the first 1,000 years of the church refers to this story of the Woman Caught in Adultery.
The earliest manuscript to have John 7:53-8:11 is the fifth century Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis. This Codex differs considerably to the accepted Johannine text. For many variant readings, scholars consider this text unreliable.
http://biblestudies.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_woman_caught_in_adultery
Nice try, though
I alo noticed you ommitted the Wiki article. (which you rely on so often) It says the same thing. The earlier manuscripts do not contain the story.
[Edited on 10/24/2009 3:48 PM]
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| Oct 24 @ 8:12 PM |
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Angel54214
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I'll say it again!
The Pericope de Adultera was an ommission not an addition...
You athiests and heretics can attack all you want and what you state as being non-believers will NEVER change the heart of those that do believe! NEVER, your not worth it! And understand this! No believer is born a believer; it's not a race or a gene.
http://www.notjustanotherbook.com/disputedjohn.htm
This is the last I am going to express on this subject! Period!
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| Oct 24 @ 8:37 PM |
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iam01
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Despite the brilliance of the story, its captivating quality, and its inherent intrigue, there is one other enormous problem that it poses. As it turns out, it was not originally in the Gospel of John. In fact, it was not originally part of any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes.
How do we know this? In fact, scholars who work on the manuscript tradition have no doubts about this particular case. Later in this book we will be examining in greater depth the kinds of evidence that scholars adduce for making judgments of this sort. Here I can simply point out a few basic facts that have proved convincing to nearly all scholars of every persuasion: the story is not found in our oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John; 18 its writing style is very different from what we find in the rest of John (including the stories immediately before and after); and it includes a large number of words and phrases that are otherwise alien to the Gospel. The conclusion is unavoidable: this passage was not originally part of the Gospel.
MISQUOTING JESUS
The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
BART D. EHRMAN
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| Oct 24 @ 8:45 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Hey, thanks very much for sorting that out for us.
So that's what constitutes sin. 
Another post right on-topic.
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| Oct 24 @ 8:49 PM |
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iam01
Posts: 6,265
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Isn't it a sin to put words into Jesus' mouth?
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| Oct 24 @ 8:52 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Nice try. 
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| Oct 24 @ 8:58 PM |
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iam01
Posts: 6,265
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continuing.....
How then did it come to be added? There are numerous theories about that. Most scholars think that it was probably a well known story circulating in the oral tradition about Jesus, which at some point was added in the margin of a manuscript. From there some scribe or other thought that the marginal note was meant to be part of the text and so inserted it immediately after the account that ends in John 7:52. It is noteworthy that other scribes inserted the account in different locations in the New Testament—some of them after John 21:25, for example, and others, interestingly enough, after Luke 21:38. In any event, whoever wrote the account, it was not John. That naturally leaves readers with a dilemma: if this story was not originally part of John, should it be considered part of the Bible? Not everyone will respond to this question in the same way, but for most textual critics, the answer is no.
MISQUOTING JESUS
The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
BART D. EHRMAN
Who is Bart Ehrman???
Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies.
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| Oct 24 @ 8:59 PM |
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Angel54214
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What are your personal thoughts about what might constitute "sin?"
It's a good question; which also deserves "good" answers. But to obtain good answers, is to identify the meaning of the word "sin".
Sin
–noun
1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam.
2. any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.
3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It's a sin to waste time.
–verb (used without object)
4. to commit a sinful act.
5. to offend against a principle, standard, etc.
–verb (used with object)
6. to commit or perform sinfully: He sinned his crimes without compunction.
7. to bring, drive, etc., by sinning: He sinned his soul to perdition.
and in another dictionary...
Main Entry: sin
Pronunciation: \'sin\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sinne, from Old English synn; akin to Old High German sunta sin and probably to Latin sont-, sons guilty, est is — more at is
Date: before 12th century
1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible "it's a sin to waste food" c : an often serious shortcoming : fault
2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God
And I like the poem!
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