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yashaenka
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Satan
From the frontispiece of Paul Carus's The History of the Devil and the Idea of Evil (1900)
Satan is the adversary of God. Thus, Satan is evil personified. Many followers of the Bible consider Satan to be a real being, a spirit created by God. Satan and the other spirits who followed him rebelled against God. They were allegedly cast out from Heaven by their Creator. Theologians might speculate as to why the Almighty did not annihilate the "fallen angels," as He is said to have done to his other creations when they failed to be righteous (save Noah and his family, of course). Satan was allowed to set up his own kingdom in Hell and to send out devils to prowl the earth for converts. The demonic world seems to have been allowed to exist for one purpose only: to tempt humans to turn away from God. Why God would allow Satan to do this is explained in the Book of Job, where Satan is described as an angel who works in cahoots with God. When Job asks why God let Satan torment him the answer is blunt and final: Hath thou an arm like the Lord? The story of Job is interpreted in many different ways by theologians but my interpretation is that nobody knows why God lets Satan live and torment us. God is God and can do whatever He wants. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die.
Satan, being a spirit, is neither male nor female. However, like his Creator, Satan is usually referred to as a masculine being. Many believe that Satan, or the Devil as he is often called, can "possess" human beings. Possession is bodily invasion by the devil. The Catholic Church still performs exorcisms on those considered to be possessed. Jesus is said to have cast out demons, i.e., performed exorcisms, and the Church considers itself to have been given this same power by Jesus. Throughout the centuries, many pious religious people have erroneously considered those with certain mental or physical illnesses to be possessed by Satan.
More frequent than outright possession, however, has been the accusation of being in consort with the devil. Satan is believed to have many powers, among them the power to manifest himself in human or animal form. The consorting has been recorded as often being purely physical and mostly sexual. For most of the history of Christianity there are reports of Satan having sex with humans, either as an incubus (male devil) or succubus (female devil). Witches and sorcerers were thought by many to be the offspring of such unions. They are considered especially pernicious because they inherit some of the devil's powers.
According to Carl Sagan, accounts of diabolical intercourse are common cultural phenomena: http://www.skepdic.com/satan.html
innocent angels
For all the instruction we were given on the Evil One, I don't remember ever being taught about Pope Innocent VIII and his persecution of witches and heretics. The Pope proclaimed in a Bull that "evil angels," i.e., devils, were having sex with many human men and women. He was not the first to have made this claim. Others before him, such as Thomas Aquinas, had explored this territory in great detail. Thomas reminds us that since the devil is not human, he can't produce human seed. So, he must transform himself into a woman, seduce a man, keep the seed, transform into a male, seduce a woman and transfer the seed. Something of the devil is captured by the seed along the way, so the offspring are not normal. Apparently it took Satan a long time to figure out that if he wanted to control the world, the best way to do it would be to breed with humans. 
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| Oct 26 @ 9:48 AM |
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CPUfan
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Diabolical intercourse sounds kinda familiar... Didn't he go on tour once? Apparently it took Satan a long time to figure out that if he wanted to control the world, the best way to do it would be to breed with humans. Yeah but the dumb schmuck picked the wrong one to breed with... Hitler's Mother lol...
The Germans were as likely to conquer the universe as they were to conquer endless Russias and Americas...
Any Satan worth his damned salt would've picked an American to breed with heheheh.... like Charles Manson or his sister Marilyn hahaha....
Hmmm now where's that article about that Tricky Dicky fellah... lol... 
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| Oct 26 @ 10:02 AM |
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yashaenka
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Somewhere there is a list of myths that existed before Christianity that are differing aspects of a serpent, the devil and satan. I had the list in my archives but must have misplaced them. Do you, Iam or others have them?
The list depicts from whence the devil arose in Christianity just like the myths of the man Jesus and of the messiah known as Christ, two different beings until the invention of the Trinity.
Oh I think Obama makes a much better anti Christ than even Nixon! 
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| Oct 26 @ 12:28 PM |
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CPUfan
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I remember that Pazzuzu was one of the horned, winged "Devil" figures - it appears in the movie the Exorcist. He was actually a Sumerian God I remember. The link I read on Sumerians and Babylonians back then was Wiki. Try Sumerian, Babylonian and what was the other... some sort of composite God on which the others were apparently based.
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| Oct 26 @ 1:02 PM |
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yashaenka
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The primitive dualist view of gods and spirits
The evil deity known as the Devil is not universal, but certain characteristics of his can be found in the gods of every religion. Some of these are iconographic similarities, others relate to the god's function within the mythos.
To understand the emergence of the Devil as the personification of evil, it is necessary to consider the divine personages in world religions who prefigured him.
In general, a demon may be defined as a malicious spirit who does harm to human beings. In this sense, demons have been recognized since the time of the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians.
Most gods in so-called "primitive" religions are morally neutral manifestations of Ultimate Reality. In polytheistic systems, even the most powerful, "king" gods are subordinate to the single, impersonal divine principle.
There is often little or no differentiation among the gods along the lines of good and evil; better, each divinity is capable of either good or bad, as the mood takes him. This moral ambivalence explains the existence of good and evil without resorting to a heavenly schism, in which each individual god takes a character of good or evil.
Belief in supernatural spirits has not been limited to the major Western religions. In the preliterate societies of Africa, Oceania, Asia, and the Americas, spirits were thought to inhabit the whole natural world. These spirits could act either for good or for evil, and so there was no division between them as there has been between angels and demons.
When these lines of demarcation were made, they were usually the result of political upheaval, as Margaret Murray explains:
“The idea of dividing the Power Beyond into two, one good and one evil, belongs to an advanced and sophisticated religion. In the more primitive cults the deity is in himself the author of all, whether good or bad. The monotheism of early religions is very marked, each little settlement or group of settlements having its one deity, male or female, whose power was co-terminous with that of its worshippers. Polytheism appears to have arisen with the amalgamation of tribes, each with its own deity. When a tribe whose deity was male coalesced with a tribe whose deity was female, the union of the peoples was symbolized by the marriage of their gods. When by peaceful infiltration a new god ousted an old one, he was said to be the son of his predecessor. But when the invasion was warlike the conquering deity was invested with all good attributes while the god of the vanquished took a lower place and was regarded by the conquerors as the producer of evil, and was consequently often more feared than their own legitimate deity. In ancient Egypt the fall from the position of a high god to that of a "devil" is well exemplified in the god Setekh [Seth or Set], who in early times was as much a giver of all good as Osiris, but later was so execrated that, except in the city of his special cult, his name and image were rigorously destroyed.*”
* As the peoples of the arid Upper Egypt, worshippers of Seth, were united with the Nile-dwelling adherents to Osiris and Horus, it was necessary for some resolution of the religious conflict to take place. In some places, the divine twins Horus and Seth were worshipped together as one god with two heads. However, Seth eventually came to be regarded as inferior and evil but remained a representation of the monistic divine principle. The latter solution better explained the continual conflict between the forces of good and evil, and so foreshadowed later dualistic religious systems.  
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| Oct 26 @ 1:05 PM |
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yashaenka
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Satan and the Bible
There is no full account of Satan given in any one place, and the Scripture teaching on this topic can only be ascertained by combining a number of scattered notices from Genesis to Apocalypse, and reading them in the light of patristic and theological tradition.
Almost absent in the Old Testament, the Devil is mentioned 188 times in the New Testament :
62 as a “demon”
36 as “Satan”
33 as the “Devil”
37 as a “Beast”
13 as a “Dragon”
7 as “Belzeebuth”
Summary of the role played by Satan in the Scriptures
Satan is an angel (Job 1-2). God made him before the world began (Job 38:4-7). Satan was very powerful (Revelation 12:3: "ten horns") and very wise (Revelation 12:3: "seven heads"). But he became the first sinner (1 John 3:8). Apparently at one point in the past (or possibly future) he led a rebellion in heaven against God (Revelation 12:7). In Satan’s fall, he drew a vast number of angels with him (Revelation 12:4, 9). Some of the fallen angels are loose and some are bound in a place called the Abyss (Luke 8:31). The loose ones we call "demons". Of the bound ones, there are two kinds, permanently bound (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) and temporarily bound (Revelation 9:1-11). Satan and his demons now wage war against God’s kingdom (Revelation 12:17). Some people think that Satan lives in hell, but hell is where Satan and the wicked will be sent at the last judgment. Satan now dwells on earth (Job 1:7). At the Second Coming of Christ, he will be bound for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). After the thousand years, he will be set free for a short time and will go out to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:7-9). The devil’s final end will be in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10), which was prepared by God for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).
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| Oct 26 @ 1:33 PM |
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CPUfan
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Assyrian that was it... a composite of the Babylon and Sumerian. It was the "missing link" between multi-Gods and the "modern" composite form. 
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| Oct 26 @ 2:06 PM |
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Summary of the role played by Satan in the Scriptures
Satan is an angel (Job 1-2). God made him before the world began (Job 38:4-7). Satan was very powerful (Revelation 12:3: "ten horns") and very wise (Revelation 12:3: "seven heads"). But he became the first sinner (1 John 3:8). Apparently at one point in the past (or possibly future) he led a rebellion in heaven against God (Revelation 12:7). In Satan’s fall, he drew a vast number of angels with him (Revelation 12:4, 9). Some of the fallen angels are loose and some are bound in a place called the Abyss (Luke 8:31). The loose ones we call "demons". Of the bound ones, there are two kinds, permanently bound (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) and temporarily bound (Revelation 9:1-11). Satan and his demons now wage war against God’s kingdom (Revelation 12:17). Some people think that Satan lives in hell, but hell is where Satan and the wicked will be sent at the last judgment. Satan now dwells on earth (Job 1:7). At the Second Coming of Christ, he will be bound for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). After the thousand years, he will be set free for a short time and will go out to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:7-9). The devil’s final end will be in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10), which was prepared by God for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).
Interesting...I can just see God and Satan discussing Satan's disobedience.
God: 'Little imp, you're talking to the BIG GUY here, so watch your little mouth(s) (7 heads, 7 mouths?)'.
Satan: "yeah, you're a has been. I've improved on the original and anything you can do, I can do better..nyah, nyah'.
God: OK, this whole eternity thing's getting boring, let's see what you can do with this bunch. I'm gonna create a bunch of critters and call them 'humans'. OK, I'll do better than that, I'll put together a whole universe, and an ecosystem for them to live in.'
Satan: Yeah, and then what? They'll just spit in your face, just like I did. What kind of creator makes something just to appreciate his handiwork and never let it grow or evolve on its own.
God: OK, I'll give them intelligence and sexuality and lots of fun stuff, and let them evolve as they will. I'll also give them a book of rules that may or not make sense to them. We'll just see if they follow a bunch of contradictory senseless rules or not.
Satan: Well, you have to throw in free will too or it's a waste.
And so God created the world and looked at his handiwork and found it to be good.
He called Satan and told him...OK, imp - Game on!!
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| Oct 26 @ 2:13 PM |
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iam01
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And I thought SATAN was System Administrators Tool for Analyzing Networks. Yash, you should know this... 
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| Oct 26 @ 2:25 PM |
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dizzydoll
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there is no such thing as satan 
i have got my ex's son visiting so when he is on mixit (online cell phone) i am online 
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| Oct 26 @ 5:17 PM |
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southernlass
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Satan and his demons now wage war against God’s kingdom (Revelation 12:17). Some people think that Satan lives in hell, but hell is where Satan and the wicked will be sent at the last judgment.
I'm sure that Satan finds it convenient that his existence is doubted. There is little more dangerous than having no idea of the existence or power of one's opponent.
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| Oct 26 @ 5:57 PM |
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uncrazy
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SL offers...
I'm sure that Satan finds it convenient that his existence is doubted. There is little more dangerous than having no idea of the existence or power of one's opponent.
It is a convenient exercise to add human thoughts to a creature who has been built by writers and highly placed clergy who anthromorphized animal parts on a human form.
Having no idea of how the current satan was created has served as useful...a perfect creature to take the place of the pharisees that stood blocking the gates to the temple...satan has been now so long stood at the gates to the entrance of the Kingdom of God that Jesus spoke of...believers are left to search for the kingdom of God outside themselves.
A former MD contributor spoke of being visited directly by satan...if they were still here they could give us more candid details.
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| Oct 26 @ 6:27 PM |
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CPUfan
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Doesn't he climb down the chimney every Christmas and terrify children?
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| Oct 26 @ 7:08 PM |
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Deborah551
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Doesn't he climb down the chimney every Christmas and terrify children? Yes he does, CPU, if they're naughty and not nice.
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| Oct 26 @ 7:43 PM |
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iam01
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I'm sure that Satan finds it convenient that his existence is doubted. I have no doubt that you wish for your own personal Satan
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| Oct 26 @ 8:02 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Thus, Satan is evil personified
Damn, Yash, you know my ex?
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| Oct 26 @ 9:05 PM |
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southernlass
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I have no doubt that you wish for your own personal Satan
Well, I think you fit the bill for MD's personal Satan.
As for me, over the years I've met a few that reminded me of the possibility, but these days I'm older and wiser thankfully. I think I'm over all of that "bad boy" kind of attraction, for the most part. I prefer a distinctly good type anymore.
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| Oct 27 @ 8:40 AM |
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yashaenka
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Damn, Yash, you know my ex? Oh boy busted again!
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