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yashaenka
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Evidence from Scripture and Nature
Read / Write Comments | By Vexen Crabtree 2006 Jul 11
1. The Old Testament God is Evil
1. God Creates Evil Regardless of Human Free Will
2. Some Genocides Committed Directly by God
3. Satan and God are Interchangeable
4. Fear God
2. The New Testament Tells us that the Old Testament God is Evil
3. The New Testament God is Also Evil
1. No Free Will
2. God Destroys Families
4. The Problem of Evil
1. The Old Testament God is Evil
1.1. God Creates Evil Regardless of Human Free Will
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)
Isaiah 45:7 affirms that God creates darkness and disaster. It is not a creation of mankind, nor of fallen beings or Satan. The Hebrew word here that is translated as "disaster" could also mean "wickedness", "hurt", "affliction" or "adversity". God creates these things directly. Any argument that asserts that evil is a result of Human free will must first get over the fact that the Christian Bible states that God creates evil and disaster itself. Not only does this God create darkness and disaster, but it actively "does" them too. It doesn't merely create them as possibilities for other people, it actively chooses to do them itself.
The Book of Lamentations confirms that free will cannot stop evil, when evil comes from God, nor can man stop goodness, when goodness comes from God:
Who is he that can speak, and it happens, when the Lord command it not?37
Out of the mouth of the Most High proceedeth not both evil and good?38
Lamentations 3:37-38
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yashaenka
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1.2. Some Genocides Committed Directly by God
Some of these are of the young, the innocent, and some are even the results of accidents. They are my five favorite smitings of the Old Testament (click the link for full descriptions of each one):
1. 2 Kings 2:23-24 : 42 children are killed for calling a prophet "baldy", by two she-bears.
2. 1 Samuel 6:19 : 50 070 (or 70) people are killed for looking in (or "at") the Ark of the Covenant.
3. 1 Kings 20:30 : God makes a wall fall on and kill 27 000 of an army retreating from some Israelites.
4. Numbers 16:16-49 : Death to all those who complain (14 950 of them altogether).
5. 2 Samuel 6:6-11 : God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant.
In addition to these are some more serious issues:
The Adam and Eve story shows god as an immoral bad parent, not as a loving God2002
1. The immoral doctrine of original sin, where children are punished for the sins of their parents is hardly the scheme of a moral god. Adam and Eve were punished with death, pain, suffering and caused the evil of all mankind... yet they themselves 'sinned' before they knew the difference between Good and Evil. God must be immoral, if it punishes innocent people for sins they do not understand and could not resist.
2. The Flood could not be the creation of a patient, loving, caring, forgiving or good god.
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| Oct 27 @ 9:14 AM |
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yashaenka
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1.3. Satan and God are Interchangeable
As various authors copied copies of the Hebrew Scriptures, changes accumulated in the stories. Sometimes, the same story appears twice. There are even two accounts of the Creation that contradict each other in the details. One such doubled story shows us clearly that the Old Testament God is evil, and Satan itself is not a separate being, but is actually part of God, a face of God. There is one occasion when David took a census of his men in order to count how many could fight in the armies of Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:2 and 2 Samuel 24:2 both contain a copy of the exact same text:
“So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, "Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are."”
1 Chronicles 21:2
“So the king said to Joab and the army commanders [a] with him, "Go throughout the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beersheba and enroll the fighting men, so that I may know how many there are."”
2 Samuel 24:2
What had happened is that God had a rule: That David was not allowed to 'number' Israel. But, for some reason, David went ahead and did so. As a result, God punished them all for breaking his rule. But, it is very telling when we examine the preceding verse: Who inspired David to count Israel's fighting men?
“Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel”
1 Chronicles 21:1
“The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah." ”
2 Samuel 24:1
In one copy of the story, we are told Satan told David to do so. In the other, it was God. How can this be? It is because in the Old Testament, Satan and God are the same being. Satan in the Old Testament is merely the face that God puts on when it is testing its people. "The anger of the Lord" is Satan. It was common in old religions (Hinduism, Roman religions, etc) for gods to have multiple faces, each associated with different emotions. In the Christian Bible, Satan is God. It is not just the Old Testament that contains such revealing truths, the New Testament tells the same story:http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_evilgod.html 
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| Oct 27 @ 9:15 AM |
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yashaenka
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1.4. Fear God
"And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people"
Exodus 32:14
"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name"
Exodus 15:3
"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"
Exodus 34:14
The Old Testament describes God as angry, fearsome, destructive and vengeful. In continual deviance from what a good god would do, and feel, the God of the Old Testament sometimes repents of its own actions and thoughts. How can a god that knows everything, and is never wrong, repent? How can a good god even have evil thoughts, let alone do evil actions?
It seems one thing that Old Testament gets right is its assertions that we should fear god. See Lev. 25:17; Deut. 6:2, 6:13, 10:12, 10:20, 31:12-13; Joshua 4:24; 1 Sam. 12:14; 2 Kings 17:39; Job 28:28; Psalms 19:9, 25:14, 33:8, 33:18, 34:9, 96:4, 103:11, 103:17, 111:10, 112:1, 115:13, 128:1, 147:11; Proverbs 1:7, 22:4, 24:21; Ecc. 5:7, Ecc. 12:13; Jer. 5:22. We should definitely fear such a god as this!
In Old Testament times, people were exposed to many different Gods. Frequently, people would simply have to be scared into worshipping one god over another. By representing it as powerful, destructive, jealous and harsh, the Jews who wrote the Old Testament were affirming that they believed their God should be worshipped, and other Gods should be abandoned.
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| Oct 27 @ 9:17 AM |
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yashaenka
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The New Testament Tells us that the Old Testament God is Evil
2nd Century Marcionite Christians believed that the Old Testament God was Evil2006
The author of the Gospel of Luke wrote that Jesus said that 'a tree is known by its fruit' (Luke 6:43-44): "Good trees do not produce rotten fruit, and rotten trees do not produce good fruit". The Old Testament God, who says that he "creates evil" (Amos. 3:6, Isaiah 45:7), cannot therefore be a 'good tree', but must be a rotten one. An ancient form of Christianity was preached by Marcion, who realized that the God of the Old Testament must be Evil. As Marcion believed that the Good News of the New Testament was the plan of salvation from a good God, he believed that through Jesus the evil god the Old Testament had been defeated.
3. The New Testament God is Also Evil
3.1. No Free Will
Jesus and the Disciples accepted the Old Testament as God's word. They could only do this if they themselves believed that God was not benevolent. They also preached the goodness of God, despite his apparent evil. This is because they, like the writers of the Old Testament, do not care if god is 'good' or 'evil', they merely wish to do its will, in order to get rewards in heaven.
The Book of Revelations is the climax and final book of the New Testament, where it is said that God will once again revert to his Old Testament ways... the suffering and pain described in the apocalypse is something that a good god could never let happen. To even believe that God do this is to believe in a monstrous demon of a God.
Free WillThe New Testament preaches at great length that we have no free will, and that God's punishment is arbitrary
“Not only does the existence of God logically, philosophically and theologically deny the possibility of free will, but the Bible also says that there is no free will! Examining the writings of St Paul, the Biblical books of Ephesians, Romans, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians and Revelations, we see that God's plan overrides our free will; those that do good do the specific good that God predestined them to do, and all others are ruled by Satan because God sends "powerful delusions" to them. The Christian Bible frequently states that God creates our future and decides our fates, no matter what our own will is. It constantly denies that we have free will.”
"Biblical Christianity Denies Free Will" by Vexen Crabtree (2005)
The doctrine of predestination is like the doctrine of original sin. They affirm that God is not just, not moral, and is actively evil and arbitrary. Not only do god's plans override free will, but, God also punishes those who it has predetermined to be punished. There is no grand moral plan to god's will. It makes no sense to say that this is the behaviour of a good god. The New Testament makes more sense if its schemes are the plan of an evil god, rather than a good one. Do not shoot the messenger this is provided so you know it is out there.
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| Oct 27 @ 10:33 AM |
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Angel54214
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I'm still waiting for your copy/paste from the volumes of "Histories of the World" where all the Kings, Princes, Conquerors and armies announced...."God Made Me Do It"
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| Oct 27 @ 10:36 AM |
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yashaenka
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Warm, interesting, fun, loving, kind hearted lady who is goal oriented. Where did you lose your mojo?  
The history of the world video great
[Edited on 10/27/2009 10:38 AM]
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| Oct 27 @ 10:37 AM |
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iam01
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Hope this makes things more clear..
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yashaenka
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* As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
* Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
* Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
* Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
* Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
* Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
* In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
* In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
* The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Mission
* Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
* Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
* 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
* 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
* First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
* Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
* 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
* Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
* After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
[WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
* Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
* Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
* The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
* Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". [WW41]
* Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
* Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148] Christian Atrocities
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iam01
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The history of the world video great 
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| Oct 27 @ 12:12 PM |
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CPUfan
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Yash the Irish conflict was part of the Civil War but that war was very religious - the Catholic Monarchy wanted power back from yer Puritans.
The English Parliament, victorious in the English Civil War, had several reasons for sending an army to Ireland in 1649.
An alliance was signed in 1649 between the Irish Confederate Catholics and Charles II (the exiled son of the executed Charles I) and the English Royalists. This allowed for Royalist troops to be sent to Ireland and put the Irish Confederate Catholic troops under the command of Royalist officers led by James Butler, Earl of Ormonde. Their aim was to invade England and restore the monarchy there. This was a threat which the new English Commonwealth could not afford to ignore.
Even if the Confederates had not allied themselves with the Royalists, it is likely that the English Parliament would have eventually tried to reconquer Ireland. They had sent Parliamentary forces to Ireland throughout the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (most of them under Michael Jones in 1647). They viewed Ireland as part of the territory governed by right by the Kingdom of England and only temporarily out of its control since the Irish Rebellion of 1641.
In addition many Parliamentarians wished to punish the Irish for atrocities against English Protestant settlers (who had settled on land that had been seized from native Catholic owners by the British crown to make way for them) during the 1641 Uprising. Wiki
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| Oct 27 @ 12:48 PM |
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theorize
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maybe you should spend less time concentrating on the religions of others, and practice your own... how's the circle of light going?
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| Oct 27 @ 1:24 PM |
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iam01
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Looks to me like they need each other and Christians need both of them.
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| Oct 27 @ 1:28 PM |
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theorize
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they are both forces in the universe, innate and unchangable, they are both in all of us and present at all times, yin and yang if you will... what are you driving at?
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| Oct 27 @ 1:28 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Maybe you should have blogged this,,?
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| Oct 27 @ 1:33 PM |
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iam01
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they are both forces in the universe, innate and unchangable, they are both in all of us and present at all times, yin and yang if you will... what are you driving at? god and satan is not yin and yang. One is a fictional supernatural myth, the other is a philosophical Taoist principle that is observed in nature. Religion is not about what is natural (real) but about what is supernatural(fiction). Unless, of course, you regard god and satan as metaphors which I doubt you do.
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| Oct 27 @ 1:50 PM |
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dizzydoll
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btw iam, God doesnt kill people, man kills all on his own
[Edited on 10/27/2009 2:01 PM]
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| Oct 27 @ 5:45 PM |
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theorize
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just because you consider the supernatural fiction does not make it so. and i was not saying they ARE yin and yang yet merely drawing a comparison... similarities. characterizing God and other beings not of this world as being human-like is a common weapon of people who oppose religion along with oversimplification. So those images where you say "looks to me like" are gross oversimplifications of the nature of God and Satan, both of them pulled from comedy so whatever it you are trying to say is negated by your lazy approach as to who and what God/Satan are.
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theorize
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original thought please
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southernlass
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New Christian on the block. Yaaa!  
Welcome, Theorize!
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