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yashaenka
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Greatest Historical Religious Figures
(Steven A. DeVore and Richard Linford, InteliQuest Learning Systems; URL: http://www.4iq.com/people1.htm#list)
(Listed chronologically)
* Abraham
* Moses
* Lao-tzu
* Buddha
* Confucius
* Jesus Christ
* Apostle Paul
* Saint Augustine
* Muhammad
* Thomas Aquinas
* Martin Luther
* John Calvin
* Joseph Smith
* Gandhi
Hinduism - 4000 to 2500 BCE*
Judaism - 2000 BCE
Zoroastrianism - 1000 BCE
Buddhism - 560 to 490 BCE
Shinto - 500+ BCE This is in error no one knows for sure.
Confucianism - 500 BCE
Jainism - 420 BCE
Taoism - 5,000 BCE Lao Tzu popularized Taoism he did not invent it.
Islam - 622 CE This timing to me shoots Islam in the foot.
Sikhism - 1500 CE
Bahá'í - 1863 CE
Did Abraham, Moses and Jesus really exist? If so why did it take until 30 CE for the Christian faith begin to present itself? Anyone?
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| Nov 3 @ 11:14 AM |
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dizzydoll
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If so why did it take until 30 CE for the Christian faith begin to present itself?
cos the world was having a break 
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| Nov 3 @ 11:32 AM |
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yashaenka
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Tea, Coffee or Pot? 
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southernlass
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Ahh.. okay. Now I get it. You're a pothead, Yash. lol. This explains a lot.
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| Nov 3 @ 11:47 AM |
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yashaenka
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I live holistically mentally, emotionally and physically. I still run 4 marathons a year and enter long bicycle rides for distances of 600 miles or more and I have been a Sensi and a teacher of the Martial Arts since the 1960's something I learned in Asia not here.
I know you are still in love with Bill Clinton but to associate his Is-is to me is stupid. Or maybe you love Hillary well it does take all kinds.
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Jankia
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I live holistically mentally, emotionally and physically. I still run 4 marathons a year and enter long bicycle rides for distances of 600 miles or more and I have been a Sensi and a teacher of the Martial Arts since the 1960's something I learned in Asia not here
Thats great...unfortunatly the asians didnt teach you how to ask sensible questions....If so why did it take until 30 CE for the Christian faith begin to present itself? Anyone? It couldnt have begun before the one for whom the movement is named actually existed...Duh
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| Nov 3 @ 12:25 PM |
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yashaenka
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It couldnt have begun before the one for whom the movement is named actually existed...Duh Duh in what year did the man Jesus pop out of a virgin and in what year did he die?
There are those who say he may have been born as early as 5 to 8 BC and may have died in his early 30"s so he may well have died by 30CE go ahead prove me wrong with your vast knowledge 
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Gallows_Humor
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Myth
Main article: Mythology
The word myth has several meanings.
1.A traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon;
2.A person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence; or
3.A metaphor for the spiritual potentiality in the human being.[36]
Ancient polytheistic religions, such as those of Greece, Rome, and Scandinavia, are usually categorized under the heading of mythology. Religions of pre-industrial peoples, or cultures in development, are similarly called "myths" in the anthropology of religion. The term "myth" can be used pejoratively by both religious and non-religious people. By defining another person's religious stories and beliefs as mythology, one implies that they are less real or true than one's own religious stories and beliefs. Joseph Campbell remarked, "Mythology is often thought of as other people's religions, and religion can be defined as mis-interpreted mythology."[37]
In sociology, however, the term myth has a non-pejorative meaning. There, myth is defined as a story that is important for the group whether or not it is objectively or provably true. Examples include the death and resurrection of Jesus, which, to Christians, explains the means by which they are freed from sin and is also ostensibly a historical event. But from a mythological outlook, whether or not the event actually occurred is unimportant. Instead, the symbolism of the death of an old "life" and the start of a new "life" is what is most significant. Religious believers may or may not accept such symbolic interpretations.
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LanceVarden7
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If so why did it take until 30 CE for the Christian faith begin to present itself? Anyone? That is a reasonable question. I will take a shot.
In those days, there was no mass communication. Back then, it was word-of-month or letters. As a matter of fact, much of the new testament is actually letters that Paul wrote to the churches. Romans was a letter for the churches in rome, etc.
In the early days, Christianity was a small sect of the Jewish religion. In fact, many were upset that it was shared with non-Jews. That is where it took root, and grew, but it took time to become widespread.
I have a question of my own, and this just occured to me.
What would God have done if Paul had not done what he did? The Christian religion first started to spread because of Paul. What would have happened if Paul had not done that and the religion had faded into obscurity? How would people know about the Christ and become Christian if that is the only way and only time he ever manifested himself as a mortal?
Would God have sent him again? If so, in the same flesh? If so, how could that happen without the same woman(Mary) Most Christian folk resist the idea that the Christ would appear in other manifestations of the flesh (No one ever really answered the quandry of if sentient life on other planets would get a manifestation or what it would look like)
I don't know the answer, but it is an interesting question.
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Gallows_Humor
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What would God have done if Paul had not done what he did?
been covered ....
....The meeting with the risen Christ on the road to Damascus marked a turning point in Saul's life. It did not spell a break with his Jewish faith and heritage, nor with his Pharisaic expectations. Rather it was the fulfillment of all that he and his fellow-Jews ever hoped for. In that experience, Saul was gripped by the profound insight that, in Jesus Christ, all the apocalyptic expectations of the Second Temple Period (as outlined above) have been brought to realization in the following way:
•On the road to Damascus, Saul, in his own personal life and history, experienced God's unexpected intervention.
•God has fulfilled his promise of vindicating Israel and bringing into judgment all its enemies; not, however, by acting on the whole nation, but on one person, who is the representative of Israel—Jesus Christ—whom he raised from the dead.
•Through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God re-established not only Israel but the whole created order, opening thus the floodgates of salvation to all.
•He himself —Saul—was the "chosen instrument" by whom Yahweh would be proclaimed to the Gentiles as the one true God whose kingdom has now been inaugurated by the death and resurrection of Christ, his Son.
This is the profound meaning of what we now call the "conversion" of St. Paul. It was not a break with Judaism in order to embrace the "new way" in Christ, nor was it simply the transformation of a righteous, legally observant Pharisee into a zealous Christian missionary. Paul's Damascus experience was to be understood in terms of continuity and fulfillment, revealing a God who does not contradict himself nor renege on his promises to his people. It was indeed an experience of apokalypsis, a revelation of God's profound plan unfolding silently in human history. The experience was closely bound up with what Paul understood as his vocation—to be the herald of the good news that God now extends his love and paternity outside the bounds of Israel, to all peoples of all times and places.
http://fsp.paulines.ph/index.php?page=damascus
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ServantOfChrist2
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Those are good questions Lance.
It's a good thing that all of time is laid out like a finished parchment to Him.
Isaiah 46--"Bel bows down, Nebo stoops low;
their idols are borne by beasts of burden.
The images that are carried about are burdensome,
a burden for the weary.
2--They stoop and bow down together;
unable to rescue the burden,
they themselves go off into captivity.
3--'Listen to me, O house of Jacob,
all you who remain in the house of Israel,
you whom I have upheld since you were conceived,
and have carried since your birth.
4--Even to your old age and gray hairs
I am He, I am He who will sustain you.
I have made you and I will carry you;
I will sustain you and I will rescue you.
5--'To whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you like me that we may be compared?
6--Some pour out gold from their bags
and weigh out silver on the scales;
they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god,
and they bow down and worship it.
7--They lift it to their shoulders and carry it;
they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
From that spot it cannot move.
Though one cries out to it, it does not answer;
it cannot save him from his troubles.
8--Remember this, fix it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
9--Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10--I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.
11--From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do.
12--Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted,
you who are far from righteousness.
13--I am bringing my righteousness near,
it is not far away;
and my salvation will not be delayed.
I will grant my salvation to Zion,
my splendour to Israel."
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CPUfan
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The energy particles of the entire cosmos are constant without beginning and without end. The cosmos knows all from the tiniest pulse to its endless reaches. It reads your mind and transmits your mind throughout its consciousness.
Just kidding, I believe in a literal interpretation of genesis. 
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uncrazy
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CPUfan offers...
Just kidding, I believe in a literal interpretation of genesis.
Me too...then I hear the universe laughing.
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beckyiv42000
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Who came first?
shouldnt the question be... who is still here and going strong ?? And which teachings are unchanged ??
I so cant believed I behaved my self with a lead in line like.. Who came first ?... 
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| Nov 3 @ 5:28 PM |
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CPUfan
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Doesn't EVERYONE come simultaneously, then? 
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beckyiv42000
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In a perfect world CPU yeah
and well in mine too lucky mee 
now see what you did ?...you made me go THERE dangit!! 
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| Nov 3 @ 5:30 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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| Nov 3 @ 5:34 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Hi Lance   
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dizzydoll
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Your point is? What difference does it make who came first?
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eyesofastranger
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Actually hermaphrodites came first. Then through the complexities of evolution eggs. The cosmos could never produce this thread with an all hermaphrodite existence. Then even more complex the cosmos produced live bearers like mammals. From there intellect and love could evolve. And the humour in the question who came first.
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