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yashaenka
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Europe - Vatican - Islam
By Richard Owen ("Times", March 31, 2008)
Rome, Italy - Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism to become the world's largest single religious denomination, according to L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper.
In an interview with the paper Monsignor Vittorio Formenti, compilier of the Annuario Pontificio, the Vatican yearbook, said "For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us." He said that figures for 2006 showed that Catholics accounted for 17.4 per cent of the world population while Muslims accounted for 19.2 per cent.
Asked for an explanation Monsignor Formenti observed that "While Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer". He said the figure for the Muslim global population was derived from data submitted to the United Nations by Muslim countries.
However Christians as a whole, including Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and Anglicans make up 33 per cent of the world population. Mosnignor Formenti said Latin America remained "the stronghold" of Catholicism, and the American continent as a whole had nearly half the world's total. He noted the decline in numbers of Catholic priests, and said the number of nuns was also suffering a "drastic reduction".
The figures were released as both the Vatican and Muslim leaders sought to pursue a recently initiated Muslim-Catholic dialogue despite tensions over Pope Benedict XVI's high profile baptism at Easter of Magdi Allam, a converted Italian Muslim journalist of Egyptian origin. Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said the opinions of Mr Allam, an outspoken critic of Islam as inherently violent and repressive, were not in any way "the official expression of the positions of the Pope or the Holy See".
The Vatican puts the number of Catholics in the world at 1.13 billion people, while the figure for Muslims is estimated at around 1.3 billion.
Rome has Europe's largest mosque, opened in 1995 and paid for by Muslim countries, mainly by Saudi Arabia, which at present bans Christian worship but is reported to be considering allowing the construction of a church on Saudi soil as part of negotiations for the establishment of diplomatic relations.
In a provocative short story entitled "The Last Christmas" (L'Ultimo Natale) the popular Italian writer Valerio Massimo Manfredi imagines a future in which Islam has become the dominant religion in Italy, with the Pope obliged to leave St Peter's and make way for an Imam. Is this news to you? A lot of Christians discard the Catholics but can you stand alone against Islam?
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| Nov 8 @ 5:38 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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let's see.....
Yash took the time to post this..... 
why?? was it to promote this??
In a provocative short story entitled "The Last Christmas" (L'Ultimo Natale) the popular Italian writer Valerio Massimo Manfredi imagines a future in which Islam has become the dominant religion in Italy, with the Pope obliged to leave St Peter's and make way for an Imam. Is this news to you? A lot of Christians discard the Catholics but can you stand alone against Islam?
but the article states....
as truth...
The figures were released as both the Vatican and Muslim leaders sought to pursue a recently initiated Muslim-Catholic dialogue
he even picked out this point as the subject matter..
"Islam overtakes Catholicism as world's largest religion"
but the article states as truth...
However Christians as a whole, including Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and Anglicans make up 33 per cent of the world population.
and..
The Vatican puts the number of Catholics in the world at 1.13 billion people, while the figure for Muslims is estimated at around 1.3 billion.
so..what if anything.. did you take away from this thread???
the truth..or.. the propoganda....
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| Nov 10 @ 3:15 PM |
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iglooo101
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what is the core of the discussion?
is it:
- team 1 has more players than team 2?
or
- team "A" has something to offer i.e team "A" has a message.
For example:
- the numbers you are using are Arabic numerals
Arabic numerals
and the most important of these numbers is ZERO
- Algebra: who came up with Algebra ? Algebra
My feeling is, the discussion has gone away from what is should be.
Imagine what would be your reaction if Manchester United, instead of playing against the other team, has tended to blab about how many cars the team has!!!!
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| Nov 10 @ 3:25 PM |
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iam01
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So we got one religion that says don't use condoms, alter boys are fun and another religion that says rape women who expose any flesh and their family can kill them afterward out of honor.
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| Nov 10 @ 3:30 PM |
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iam01
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For example:
- the numbers you are using are Arabic numerals
Arabic numerals
and the most important of these numbers is ZERO
- Algebra: who came up with Algebra ? Algebra Once upon a time Islam was a cultural leader and Baghdad was the intellectual center of the world. Around 800-1100 CE. Baghdad was the center of Engineering, Medicine, Biology, and Mathematics and open to all travelers.
Then Imam Hamid al-Ghazali 1058 – 1111 CE happened. Because of him Islam sunk into insanity. Hamid said that mathematics and science were works of the devil. Islam never recovered. Christian fundies believe mathematics and science are works of the devil too.
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| Nov 10 @ 3:53 PM |
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iglooo101
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iam01,Then Imam Hamid al-Ghazali 1058 – 1111 CE happened. Because of him Islam sunk into insanity. Thank you for the info 
First Ayat of the Kuran revealed to the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) was "READ"
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| Nov 10 @ 5:42 PM |
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iglooo101
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Some other examples of words you use on daily basis of Arabic origin:
List_of_Arabic_loanwords_in_English
Alcohol
Alkali
Medicine_in_medieval_Islam
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| Nov 10 @ 5:43 PM |
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iam01
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but Mohammad was illiterate and so he couldn't read a thing. He couldn't tell a child's age either having had a wife who was 9 years old.
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| Nov 10 @ 6:01 PM |
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iglooo101
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iam01,but Mohammad was illiterate and so he couldn't read a thing. He
couldn't tell a child's age either having had a wife who was 9 years old.
Thank you for the info
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| Nov 10 @ 6:06 PM |
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iglooo101
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Transmission of Greek philosophy under Islamwhen Greek philosophies re-entered the West through translations from Arabic to Latin. The re-introduction of these philosophies, combined with the new Arabic commentaries, had a great influence on Medieval philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas. What does that tell us?
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| Nov 11 @ 5:47 AM |
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Blondino
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Catholicism is not a religion but part of Christianity so misleading is it not ?
If you break Islam down to the 78 -81 types the figures would be different
( spellings vary )
1 . Alawiy -ah 2 . Abadia -yah 3 . Shu'aib -iyah 4 . Ishaqiy -ah 5 . Zaidiay - ah 6 . Abbasi -yah 7 . Imamiy 8 . Narisiyah 9 . Tanasu - khiyah 10 . La'iniy -ah 11 . Rari'iya -h 12 . Murtazi -yah 13 . Azraqiy -ah 14 . Riyaziya 15 . Sa'labi -yah 16 . Jazimiy -ah 17 . Khalifiy -ah 18 . Kuziyah 19 . Kanziyah 20 . Mu'taz -ilah 21 . Maimu -niyah 22 . Muhka -miyah 23. Sirajiya -h 24 . Akhnasi -syah 25 . Muztari-yah 26 . Af'aliya -h 27 . Ma'iyah 28 . Tariqiy 29 . Bakhtiy -ah 30 . Mutam -anniyah 31 . Kaslani -yah 32 . Habbibi -yah 33 . Khaufiy -ah 34 . Fikriyah 35 . Hasabiy -ah 36 . Hujjati -yah 37 . Ahadiy -ah 38 . Sanawi -yah 39 . Kaisani -yah 40 . Shaitani -yah 41 . Shariki -yah 42 . Wahmi - yah 43 . Ruwaid -iyah 44 . Nakisiy -ah 45 . Mutaba -rriyah 46 . Qasitiyah 47 . Nazami - yah 48 . Mutawa -llifyah 49 . Mu'att-aliyah 50 . Mutara-bisiyah 51 , Mutara-qibiyah 52 . Waridiy -ah 53 . Harqiyah 54 . Makhlu -qiyah 55. Ibariya -h 56 , Faniyah 57 . Zanadi -qiyah 58 . Lafziyah 59 . Qabriyah 60 . Waqifiy -ah 61 . Tariqiy -ah 62 . Sha'iyah 63 . Rajiyah 64 . Shakkiy-ah 65 . Nahiyah 66 . 'Amaliy -ah 67 . Manqus -iyah 68 . Mustas-niyah 69 . Ash'ari-yyah 70 . Bid'iyah 71 . Mushab-bihiyah 72 . Hashawi -yah 73 . Hashaw -iyah 74 . Ansaar -ullah 75 . Ahmadi-yah 76 . Nation Of Islam 77. Five Percenters 78 . Bahi 79 . Nubian Islamic Hebrews 80 . African Islamic Mission 81 . Moorish Science Temple
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| Nov 11 @ 10:50 AM |
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yashaenka
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Islam overtakes Catholicism as world's largest religion Just where was there any mention of Christianity it is a statement of fact the Catholic religion is losing big time to Islam and the Protestants...That is just fact.
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| Nov 11 @ 11:03 AM |
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Bj864
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I have read that Islam and Christianity are more similar than any of the other major religions.
I think the American people have more exposure to other forms of religion and spirituality. That, I think, is why we might be more inclined to consider other pathways to God.
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| Nov 11 @ 11:12 AM |
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yashaenka
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That is based on the core teachings of Abraham and while Islam may be respectful to all religions where it takes exception to Christianity is in the concept of the Trinity making it in Islams eye polytheistic. No BJ it is the other way around although I can see why you think that.
America was isolated for most of it's history and our core foundation was the Judeo Christian and Deist concepts. We never absorbed as a nation the teachings of Islam nor Eastern mysticism. The latter in the 1960's during what I call the Beatle movement and Islam not until the last couple of decades.
[Edited on 11/11/2009 11:18 AM]
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| Nov 11 @ 11:14 AM |
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iam01
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I think the American people have more exposure to other forms of religion and spirituality. That, I think, is why we might be more inclined to consider other pathways to God. And we've seen the quickest way to God is to blow yourself up.
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| Nov 11 @ 12:03 PM |
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yashaenka
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I consider the entire Ft Hood incident to be death by the military vs death by cop. In any event it is and was a cowards way out...
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| Nov 11 @ 1:36 PM |
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iglooo101
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yashaenka,America was isolated for most of it's history and our core foundation was the Judeo Christian and Deist concepts. We never absorbed as a nation the teachings of Islam nor Eastern mysticism. The latter in the 1960's during what I call the Beatle movement and Islam not until the last couple of decades.
Islam_in_the_United_States Islam in the United States started in the early 16th century, with Estevanico of Azamor being the first Muslim to enter the historical record in North America.
Slaves
There is limited academic research regarding African Muslims transported to North America as slaves.
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| Nov 12 @ 11:50 AM |
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Bj864
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No BJ it is the other way around although I can see why you think that.
America was isolated for most of it's history and our core foundation was the Judeo Christian and Deist concepts. We never absorbed as a nation the teachings of Islam nor Eastern mysticism. The latter in the 1960's during what I call the Beatle movement and Islam not until the last couple of decades.
I am talking about in the last 20 to 30 years. Things have changed a lot in this country, in that period of time
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| Nov 15 @ 9:45 AM |
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yashaenka
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I think the American people have more exposure to other forms of religion and spirituality. That, I think, is why we might be more inclined to consider other pathways to God. Yes the last two or decades with the advent of the internet and the arrival of other belief systems as people on our shores brings diversity even in religion and exposure to a wider base of living belief system. I think this is good.
Why? Because of the mobility of believers going from one church to another seeking more under Christianity that in a lot of cases has been found wanting from within the churches.
Atheism and agnostics increased by 10% last year but that does not mean they do not have a living belief system only a system not found under monotheism.
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