| Jan 17, 2006 @ 2:37 PM |
Why religion really disses evolution
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Thor1960303
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Over the last millenia, religion,Christianity particularly has had to rethink their scripture interpretations as science progressed.Galileo was charged with heresy when he presented proof that the earth was NOT the center of the universe and that celestial bodies were not crytaline perfection but gas and mud worlds like our earth.This flew in the face of religious thought because it suggested that not only was man NOT the center of God's focus but that the heavens were also not heavenly crystaline perfection.
Evolution chips further at this thought as it shows man as just another animal,crawling out of primordial soup with no apparent spark of divinty but merely an accident of happenstance.Under this scenario there is no fall of man,therefore no need for salvation and therefore renders religion impotent.
I realize there are schools of thought that attempt to reconcile evolution and creation,such as the metaphorical interpretation of scripture and a belief in "divine evolution".One of the most interesting attempts I've read was from Lloyd Pye,who hypothesized that man was genetically engineered by ET's for slave labor and once the project was complete,we were abandoned.
Opinions?Who here reconciles evolution with their religion and if so,how do you do this?Can religion adapt once again?
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 3:15 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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These are worthy thoughts to ponder Thor.
I believe a deeper, more thorough investigation will lead you to the conclusion that the THEORY of evolution will not stand under closer scrutiny.
Have you ever tried looking at creation from a different perspective?
Many questions exist certainly; but does pride convince you that you should be able to understand the mind of God???
None of us truly understands how things originally came into being.
But the carnal human feels a need to understand everything.
The theory of evolution is one such attempt to understand.
Remember...Evolution remains ONLY a theory. And as time passes, this theory too is being shown to be flawed.
Humility allows a person to bear in mind that their race doesn't necessarily occupy the top rung on the ladder.
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 3:25 PM |
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devonguy
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Hi Thor!
You are a bit of a ‘thinker’ aren’t you! Well it would take a book to address all the points that you have raised, so I’m just going to focus on one. Technology overriding established believes.
As a young child I was shown textbooks with illustrations of a benevolent (white) God looking down from his heavens!
He lived in the clouds, the devil lived in the bowels of the earth, and everything was so simple.
Then ‘we’ went into space! And god was not on his cloud as we went past, nor on the moon, or anywhere else that we have been for that mater. So was I lied too? And if I was, what about all the other things I was told? Right you get my drift. Now my brain hurts, so I will give the chair to some one else.
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 3:39 PM |
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Pete73052
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Religion is based on faith. Evolution is based on science. I don't think the two can be reconciled. At some point in religious belief, or intelligent design debates, you have to take that leap of faith that moves ideas like these out of the realm of science and into the realm of faith. Religious beliefs don't need a foundation in science. Science does not need faith (or God) to explain itself.
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 4:14 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Remember...Evolution remains ONLY a theory. And as time passes, this theory too is being shown to be flawed.
Humility allows a person to bear in mind that their race doesn't necessarily occupy the top rung on the ladder.
Actually,the scientific community considers evolution to be fact....with natural selection being the theory.You're right about your last point.Lack of humilty wouldn't allow the religious leaders of Galileo's day to accept the fact that the earth was NOT the center of the universe.
I think both communities are guilty of the lack of humilty.
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 6:54 PM |
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raykl
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Most religions do not condemn the theory of evolution (there
are always exceptions, ergo the Scopes trial). They are open
to the possibility that evolution could be the way that God
chose to formulate the universe and mankind. Most anti-evolutionists are hardcore bible literalists and will always debunk anything that goes against the bible.
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 9:17 PM |
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Greystone1
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Tiger gotta hunt
Bird gotta fly
Man gotta wonder
Why why why?
Tiger gotta sleep
Bird gotta land
Man gotta tell himself
he understand.
-Vonnegut-
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 9:41 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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OK, it's a joke, but it so fit the topic and was pretty much equal opportunity humor, I figured I'd throw it out here:
One day the zoo-keeper noticed that the orangutan was reading two books-- the Bible and Darwin's Origin of Species.
In surprise, he asked the ape, "Why are you reading both those books"?
"Well," said the orangutan, "I just wanted to know if I was my brother's keeper, or my keeper's brother."
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| Jan 17, 2006 @ 11:22 PM |
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Greystone1
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Most religions do not condemn the theory of evolution (there are always exceptions, ergo the Scopes trial). They are open to the possibility that evolution could be the way that God chose to formulate the universe and mankind.
As science progresses, religions evolve. 
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 2:19 AM |
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adventurer767
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Perhaps spirituality is about goals for an internal subjective experience, and science is about an external objective goal?
I don't think spirituality disputes evolution though. What probably needs to evolve is our reconciling of both of these together. IMO, there's a lot of truth in the Bible if not taken so literally. Can anyone really think the earth is only six thousand years old? 
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 3:18 PM |
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Pete73052
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Can anyone really think the earth is only six thousand years old?
I've got underwear older than than.
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 8:35 PM |
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sealacamp
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Evolution is a theory and can not be proven nor disproven. The same can be said for creation. Theories are theories. Choose which one you will.
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 9:07 PM |
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Greystone1
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Theories are theories. Choose which one you will.
Not all theories are created equal. Some are more plausible than others.
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 9:32 PM |
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Pete73052
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How can anyone say evolution and creation "theories" are on an equal footing? One is science and one is faith.  Nobody is knocking freedom of religion, but really, let's at least identify it as what it is.
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 11:13 PM |
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NJSteve176
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"In the Bulls*** Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bulls***, big-time, major league bulls***, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bulls*** story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.
He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bulls*** story. Holy s***!"
George Carlin May 29, 1997
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| Jan 18, 2006 @ 11:57 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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No.
Actually...individuals make a personal choice as to where they want to spend their eternal future.
Nobody else "sends" you anywhere. That's a common misconception.
Everyone who discovers that there is a choice to be made that is.
Then, you can "send" yourself. Everybody goes to one of two places.
Everyone.
Forever.
That's why evangelism is so important.
Not all Evangelists give you the straight goods though. But many are good people. (MOST even...although admittedly it is the truly evil ones who seem to lure the headlines.)
But He promises us that if we search for Him, He will be found.
So in light of His promise, if a person is being genuine + sincere in their search, that person will get the straight goods.
Now, I do realize that most civilized people do learn a little about "the Truth".
But it's sad how few actually get an unfictional account.
In places less-civilized....in places where money hasn't become quite so predominant a god this happens more commonly.
Its still your own choice.
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| Jan 19, 2006 @ 12:02 AM |
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NJSteve176
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I'm with George Carlin and think all religion is a crock.
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| Jan 19, 2006 @ 12:30 AM |
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devonguy
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“Evolution is a theory and can not be proven nor disproven. The same can be said for creation. Theories are theories. Choose which one you will.”
Evolution is a fact not a theory! Every time a virus mutates its evolving, and that’s Evolution.
All religion is a fumble in the dark by inadequate minds to explain the as yet unexplainable.
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| Jan 19, 2006 @ 12:34 AM |
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RAKS37
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As science progresses, religions evolve
A really good qoute there.
When I had faith.
I reconciled.
I imagine God's word in the context of the time it was given.
Observe a single base pair mutation and you will find me.
Transpose a start codon and there I am.
Yep that woulda went over real well a few thousand years ago
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| Jan 19, 2006 @ 11:41 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Faith is the word here.
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