| Dec 5, 2007 @ 5:37 PM |
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 5:37 PM |
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Pete73052
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Soooooo.......someone, like myself, who is uninitiated in the chakra system, could essentially waste a whole lot of energy if the intention was there, but the focus was uncontrolled?
Well, of course most energy comes with some intention. It's rare that we push on a door without the intention of going through. Now the question is - can an intention come without energy? Or is a thought automatically representative of energy (or energy potential)?
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 5:48 PM |
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Empath
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Is a thought automatically an intention?
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 5:53 PM |
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Pete73052
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No - But an intention must be a thought... yes?
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 5:56 PM |
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Empath
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yes...i would say an intention must begin as a thought.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 8:36 PM |
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carpediem48
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BTW,,,,my'previous' comment was 'sincere'
Everything is relative to 'personal' perception 
I sees what I sees
I does what I do
I find what I find
When I'm looking
at you
Just being me  ,,,right now
Could change tomorrow 
Trying to be on topic,,,hmmmm
How about an 'intention' just naturally 'flowing' from
an 'overflowing' source?
Leaving now,,,,,   
[Edited on 12/5/2007 8:48 PM]
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 9:08 PM |
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12knots
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The chakras are never open or closed, why would they be?
They are always active but the question is on what?
It is your ability or inability to change what they are active on is the key. Focussing your conscious mind on the keys to access what they contain.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 9:35 PM |
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Pete73052
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The chakras are never open or closed, why would they be?
"Open" and "closed" are expressions that describe how "receptive" the chakras are. And there are very good reasons for "opening" or "closing" some or all the chakras.
They are always active but the question is on what?
You mean "receptive" to what - And that is a good way of looking at it - it's more about being more receptive or less receptive to intentions - just like our ears are always open but we can tune some sounds out yet we can focus on other sounds.
It is your ability or inability to change what they are active on is the key.
In other words to tune in certain energy patterns and tune out others.
Focussing your conscious mind on the keys to access what they contain.
Not sure what this means. In any case I don't think it has anything at all to do with focusing your conscious mind in order to access the contents of the chakras... although the "keys" mentioned above may refer to the chakras themselves as chakras are often related to musical notes or keys. There is nothing to "access" there, however, you can have fun playing with the archetypal images (i.e. if you're going to give a speech, you may want to open up your throat chakra  ). Basically, if you have good feelings around you, you want to be more receptive to them than when you feel bad feelings.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 9:41 PM |
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Empath
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"Open" and "closed" are expressions that describe how "receptive" the chakras are. thank you for clarifying that. 
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 9:44 PM |
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Pete73052
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I should have gone a step further:
Open= Most Receptive
Closed=Least Receptive
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 10:37 PM |
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CreamPie907
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Soooooo.......someone, like myself, who is uninitiated in the chakra system, could essentially waste a whole lot of energy if the intention was there, but the focus was uncontrolled?
In spite of intent, not that intent doesn't have its own merit, Reiki healers must be attuned in levels, by a Reiki master.
Levels one and two are easiest to achieve and some will never reach master level.
More skill and knowledge is required the higher the healer's level.
Does this help?
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 12:05 AM |
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12knots
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My postings are exact and not...... "you mean..." Thank you.
It is amazing that people are trying to re-invent psycho-physical systems that have been known and practiced for thouands of years.
although the "keys" mentioned above may refer to the chakras themselves
 no. I meant as I had said.
Focussing your conscious mind on the keys to access what they contain.
In recent times some of the masters explain the chakras liken to a computer hard drive for simplicity. All chakras are active and on a file from each of their hard drive. A file can be changed and it is the key that will change a file as when on a computer you will need a key to a file. The key is a "seed" in yogic parlance. The seed is stored consciousness from the conscious storehouse or alaya consciousness. All seeds of our experiences.
The practicianer focussing conscious mind (The horse and rider analogy) will open a file that evokes the positive qualities and aspects of the experience.
e.g. Tummo yogins
Tummo Yogins Wiki
Doubt if you wil find anything wriiten on the actual yogin practice but this is how it is done because it is a good example for the discussion here.
The heat is generated because the yogin focusses his mind on the "wind" to a chakra centre. It isn't just chakas, channels, winds but essences too. The essences are of red and white coloured. He focusses on a droplet of red essence into a chakra centra that then starts the body to generate the heat. the specifics I have left out because it is an extremely dangerous practice to a lay person.
Focussing the mind to various parts of the body to bring the "wind" will cause many different things to happen. Here people often talk of "feel good" behaviours or to help in healing or change of behaviour.
The advanced practioner will go beyond this to bring bliss from both the positive and negative experiences he has had in life. transforming them to bliss and to help attain final enlightenement. Yogins use body heat practices to help meditate on more important aspects of the mind. Focuss the mind on the system to bring about death at will, bring wisdom mind, experience momentary enlightenment, rainbow body at death, balancing the system for health and the list goes on.
it would be best if people read up on the sugbject from notable bodies that have the experience and time honoured knowledges than to reinvent something that can not be reinvented 
Anyhow, Im off topic. Rather do it than talk about it..... know what I mean, nudge nudge two winks to a blind man!
[Edited on 12/6/2007 12:30 AM]
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 3:05 AM |
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Empath
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very interesting 
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 8:14 AM |
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yashaenka
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This is a link that says what 12 mentioned above.
http://www.thesoulelement.com/chakras.htm
Although Chakras is a Indian word the Taoist of China and Yogis of India were practicing different forms of this 500 years before Bodhidharma ever arrived in China. The practitioners in China were known as the Immortals who meditated for longevity and to store the Golden Elixir. They elevated the ability to focus on a Internal Climax rather than a External one to a science for longevity.
The idea of Meridians in the body for channeling energy and for transmission of the senses in a medical analogy was not invented in India, it was developed by the Taoist of China who brought us Acupuncture and other forms of advanced medical concepts long before India or the Western world knew of them.
Those who write the most books take claim for things, for but was really the concept of another society. But fully 70% of the worlds inventions that modern day societies are based on were from China, all the other countries did was to apply more modern manufacturing on a large scale. Yash
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 11:28 AM |
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Pete73052
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My postings are exact and not...... "you mean..." Thank you.
OK - I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. So, you're just plain wrong or ignorant.
It is amazing that people are trying to re-invent psycho-physical systems that have been known and practiced for thouands of years.
 Now would be a good time to wake up!!! 
But fully 70% of the worlds inventions that modern day societies are based on were from China, all the other countries did was to apply more modern manufacturing on a large scale.
Another fact pulled out of the collective ass?
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 1:12 PM |
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yashaenka
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Pete, read it and weep, hmm was that whole or hole, and who is the true ignoramus....
http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/
Listed by year to 1976
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/124211/Ancient_China_s_Inventions_2.html
video
http://library.thinkquest.org/15618/inventor.htm#INDEX medicine and other
And wiki's list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 6:18 PM |
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Empath
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I truly appreciate when links are posted, because then I can check them out WITHOUT THE TENSION.
12..... 
siiiiiiiiiiigh 
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 7:37 PM |
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Pete73052
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Pete, read it and weep, hmm was that whole or hole, and who is the true ignoramus....
http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/
Listed by year to 1976
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/124211/Ancient_China_s_Inventions_2.html
video
http://library.thinkquest.org/15618/inventor.htm#INDEX medicine and other
And wiki's list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
This list represents 70% of human inventions? If you believe this - then clearly YOU are the ignoramus...
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| Dec 7, 2007 @ 11:21 AM |
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yashaenka
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But fully 70% of the worlds inventions that modern day societies are based on were from China
What I wrote in my post is above. that modern day societies are based on. is the key point. Western civilization's took from China the inventions and concepts that may have been crude in form, then perfected them and with the coming of the Industrial Revolution mass produced them. So the civilization that we know today was indeed built upon them. Thank you very much for being willing to learn.
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| Dec 7, 2007 @ 8:31 PM |
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Pete73052
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What I wrote in my post is above. that modern day societies are based on. is the key point.
And it's still a crock of shit - subjective speculation at best . I really don't know how to discuss this with someone who doesn't understand how stupid their statement is.
Western civilization's took from China the inventions and concepts that may have been crude in form, then perfected them and with the coming of the Industrial Revolution mass produced them. So the civilization that we know today was indeed built upon them.
Oh please... Could you be any sillier? My laser printer has some parts in it that look like wheels... maybe the guy who invented the wheel should get credit for inventing laser printers?  
Thank you very much for being willing to learn.
Just be sure you have something worth teaching before you expect others to be willing to learn from you.
Frickin incredible... 
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