| Jan 6 @ 8:51 PM |
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Banned_Knots
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Music is extremely important and benficial.
I remember listening to a lecture at Oxford University some thirty so years ago by a Tibetan master. He said the best music is flute music as it is closest to our spiritualness.
But... I guess what ever makes you feel most at peace. What really makes you vibrate at a higher level. It is a proven that babies in the womb lisyening to Moxart above any other composer is more beneficial to development due to the complexities of Mozarts music. The details forget me now but something to do with the complexity of harmonics.
As an painter I have always played classical music. No other music helps me in detail and being "one with the painting". 
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| Jan 7 @ 10:47 AM |
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yashaenka
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Music is mathematics in motion. The more complex a piece is with regard to the harmonics, the more mathematics comes to the fore.
Imagine if you will how blessed we would be if we could hear as well as animals or insects....
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| Jan 7 @ 10:48 AM |
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lacyvsq
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I have long considered singing as soul food. It requires good posture and breathing to produce good sound. Those are two things with which most meditative practices begin. Then there are the lyrics to songs, which the subconscious seems to zero in on to give the message that I most need to hear.  That's been my experience anyway; yours might be different. There is also a mental component to singing...learning the language and coordinating the mental, physical and spiritual components to create beauty.
I also find that singing with a group produces not only harmony, but a sense of unity. I just joined another chorus yesterday and am somewhat in the glow of it... I highly recommend singing!
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| Jan 7 @ 10:52 AM |
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yashaenka
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Singing lets you get in touch with yourself as in getting lost in your singing, dancing, a runners high and other forms of letting your body run on automatic while you immerse yourself in something, even in Tai Chi.
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| Jan 7 @ 11:30 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Interesting how there were no posts to this thread for 14 hours and then yash and I post at the same time.
I like the idea of music as math in motion. Music is also language, therefore the marriage of those two disciplines which are generally separately tested.
The comparison of singing to more physical exercises is also interesting. Putting the body on automatic with singing, as with dancing, running, Tai Chi generally comes after initial focus on the body. The same goes for the mental aspects of those activities. There is a learning of the language before it is 'spoken' without much thought. I may be biased or skewed in my thinking on this, but I consider the language of music to be much more complex that dancing, running or Tai Chi.
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| Jan 7 @ 11:36 AM |
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Banned_Knots
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People talk of all these New Age "Quantum" healings and the like but really Qunatum Mechanics is just mathematical modelling which allows us to approximate what goes on in atomic/sub-atomic world. "Quanta" hence "Quantum" is just the energy packets electrons subattract or attract to gain or loose energy levels by precise energy quantaties.
Point is, the energy levels are all mathematical probabilities based on "waves" e.g. probability waves. Because photons are quanta hence why we have light admitted when electrons are excited in flourescent light tubes by energising the gas inside them, or within lasars.
Light is photons, quanta admitted at specific "wave lengths". Sound at particalr wavelengths although light waves and sound waves are not the same but have similar characteristics.
Add sound waves or light waves add produce very interesting patterns. Harmonics in sound and defraction patterns in light.
It can become very complicated and very beautiful Or, very ugly and very destructive.
Sound, like light can produce great "feelings" and higher vibration for us.
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| Jan 7 @ 11:42 AM |
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yashaenka
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I did not compare the complexity of music with being one with it or other activities. It was just a reflection how you can be one with music and other activities.
Language and singing are but examples of the complexity of music and harmonics in the same vein...Speaking or singing is but a process of the same mathematics that is involved within complex music, how can you make them into something separate.... 
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| Jan 7 @ 2:39 PM |
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lacyvsq
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 Did you read some kind of judgement into my post? That was not my intent...
Oh dear, and now I have read judgement into yours... (Well that little hitting icon was something of an indication. )
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| Jan 8 @ 3:02 AM |
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mystery2u888
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 Hi lacy......I agree with everyone here....... music comes alive an wakes your mind an inner soul  
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| Jan 8 @ 7:51 AM |
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yashaenka
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Nah Lace the hitting icon to me was only a nudge get it
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| Jan 8 @ 3:37 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Another two hours of 'soul food' last night has my spirit much healed. I am not so great at reading the music -- the notes on the page -- but I enjoy reading the sign language of the conductor/director and speaking it in response to his direction. I enjoy translating the intent of the composer and adding my own inflections and blending with those around me, offering my own color but careful not to make it garish. When one's mind and mouth is filled with music, it puts thoughts of isolation and separation and anger and envy and discord far away for a time.
There was an exercise in a class long ago -- to compare two chairs. Some people see the similarities, some see the differences. Maybe I needed the nudge... Thanks yash.
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| Jan 9 @ 10:02 AM |
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yashaenka
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Your are a most beautiful and nudgeable persona.. 
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| Jan 11 @ 2:39 AM |
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ceecee1952
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a great read
godle escher bach by hofsteader
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| Jan 11 @ 1:56 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Thanx ceecee! I have just taken a look at the book and it looks very interesting.
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| Jan 12 @ 5:18 AM |
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Peabianjay
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godle escher bach by [Douglas] hofsteader I've been meaning to read that...for years, now. I read his "Metamagical Themas", a collection of columns from the New York Times. Lotsa great concepts in it!
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| Jan 12 @ 11:29 PM |
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Empath
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More great reading!!  Thank you!
Music: I'm not a composer of music and when I sing I watch the mass exodus, but when I hear music, there is an almost unconscious translation to movement. What I consider "good music" is soul food for me, and what I don't like can make me irritable if I'm forced to listen.
Music = Mathematics
Not disagreeing at all... but hoping you'll elaborate.
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| Jan 13 @ 10:04 AM |
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yashaenka
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The basis of any music whether you like it or not has a basis in timing and harmonics of notes [vibrations] The timing of notes and the vibrations of notes [harmonics] can be measure using mathematics.
The blending of vibrations, tonal quality and the spacing between vibrations are all based on mathematics which may or may not be appealing to you. The same thing applies to singing or any type of instrument. Voice, speech and singing are all created by vibrations.
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| Jan 14 @ 4:05 PM |
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Empath
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... so, mathematics, as in counting? My apologies, math was never my forte; sciences were.. (I would have thought the two would go hand in hand, but apparently not.. atleast in my case.)
On a tangent here (  math again???...lol)
Anyway, On googling the term "the math of music", I came across what is known as The Mozart Effect which pretty much states that "early classical music, very early in life has a positive effect on higher brain function".
Now, earlier in this thread we had an interesting discussion on the effect of vibration/resonance on various (read every but not simulaneous) organs in the body.
Perhaps then, the vibrations found in classical music are those the brain resonates to??? 
... k, I'm done hypothesizing, and going back to reading more on Mozart and the brain. Fascinating stuff, truly.
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| Jan 14 @ 4:38 PM |
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eastham
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I like the idea of music as math in motion.
Actually, most people who are profoundly musical are also very good in math. It's the same part of your brain.
There is a new book out. I intend to pick it up tonight -- Is God a Mathematician by Mario Livio.
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| Jan 15 @ 10:06 AM |
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yashaenka
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If you believe in a mystical being called anything as the creator you need to think again about applying the term mathematician to it as mathematics was invented by human kind as a concept.
As a Zen Tao Chia'st we observe nature at work [some call it play] to understand the cosmos as to try to observe the entire cosmos at work is too vast for us to really contemplate it.
Just in observing nature try to ascertain all the mathematics at work during your observations.
Speaking of vibrations in Japan there are groups of drummers who use very large drums and some smaller large drums and when they begin to play the vibrations from those drums hypnotize you from their vibrations alone. But as an advanced trumpet player I know that even playing it, strings or other instruments can effect you also.
A good composer really needs to understanding timing to bring out the best in music.
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