| Apr 19, 2006 @ 10:31 PM |
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Pete73052
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Okay....that part I do understand...........however, how can it be related to conciousness? Or emotion, for that matter?
Sorry it took so long to get to this. Here's what I think:
Let's start with color. We know that color is related to, or acts upon our emotions, right? Certain colors are used for prison holding cells and in advertising, etc. So what do we know about a color? We know what it looks like, and, if we dig deeper, we know it has a wavelength that gives it its color. Colors have wavelengths in the visible spectrum, and we know that when we go beyond the visible spectrum, ultra-violet in one direction and infra-red in the other we get into wavelengths that represent other things to us - sound, heat and so on.
So we know another word for wavelength is resonance - something resonates at a certain rate or interval. We have, earlier in this thread, associated certain resonances with the various organs of the body (I don't remember them all but I have them documented somewhere). Also, we have previously related certain musical notes to each of the chakras. Again, a musical note is a resonance (I'll be using this in an example).
Now, let's see how this relates to proportions. I'm making wild claims that I cut crystals to certain proportions and that this somehow has an affect on people. So what is it about a proportion that sets up a resonance (because that is, indeed, what we are attempting to prove - right). So let's take a guitar, as an example, and lets tune two notes close together - but not exactly in tune with each other. Then let's play the notes together (works better with an electric guitar). If we listen carefully, we will hear a resonance between the two notes - called a beat resonance. It's a kind of wawawawa sound. The closer the notes are to each other, the longer the beat - very close = wa wa wa wa, a little farther apart, wawawawa. So, the two note's relation to each other sets up a resonance that we can hear.
So how about proportions. When we set up a proportion, we are doing the same thing. When we build a room, we are setting up proportions between one wall and the next. Perhaps, if you're sensitive, some rooms, when you enter them, feel better than others. That's because the proportions of the walls themselves produce a resonance that is harmonious or discordant with the other walls, floor and ceiling. I explore this on a smaller scale with crystals, setting up the facets in proportions that are beneficial. You can imagine that, while something as clunky as the heat resonates at, say, F above middle C, other more delicate parts of our body resonate at much higher frequencies. Scientists found that DNA resonates at 42 octaves above middle C. When we intend to influence etheric and astral planes, we can imagine the frequencies will be much higher still. As I said in a previous post, however, by resonating the right note at lower octaves, we resonate, to some degree, the higher octaves. So, this, IMO, is how proportions and ratios relate directly to consciousness and emotion and well-being.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 1:41 PM |
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Empath
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Pete,
Thank you! What I understand, from your explanation, is that our emotions can be affected by the resonance created by the very things around us, based on the angles formed between physical objects. 
As I read through your explanation, it occured to me that astrology also works on angles. For example, a trine, which is a positive aspect, occurs when two planets are 120 degrees apart, with an orb (or allowance) of 8 degrees. A square, which is a negative aspect, occurs when two planets are 90 degrees apart, give or take an orb of 8 degrees. ( I wonder why they called this angle a square????  )
As is more common knowledge, our personalities (to a certain degree-  ) are affected or afflicted by the placement of the planets at birth, or at any given point in time, for that matter. I always knew it was a mathematical science, but now I am wondering if it is not the resonance between the planets, again individually and collectively, that affects us...
I also wonder if perhaps Feng Shui does not use similar properties....
I still maintain the conviction that all the various modalities are built upon the foundation of resonance.
I was always told I think too deep.... 
[Edited on 4/20/2006 1:49 PM]
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| Apr 21, 2006 @ 10:41 AM |
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Pete73052
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I think you will find that resonance underlies everything. On Nova, if you get a chance to see a repeat (it was on a couple of nights ago) watch Elegant Universe. It discusses String theory which is basically a theory that says resonance is everything.
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| Apr 21, 2006 @ 10:51 AM |
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Pete, or Empath or Sweet, whomever, could Resonation be behind the "chemistry" that 2 people feel for each other. We are energy filled people. We know almost immediately whether we could "be with" someone with seconds after meeting .....sometimes. Just a thought. Could it be a matching of energies?
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| Apr 21, 2006 @ 3:28 PM |
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Pete73052
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Absolutely.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 11:09 AM |
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Pete73052
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From another thread... well, actually, it's from some book...
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
If we think of what this word God may have been, to start everything in the beginning - if we look at the qualities of a word (like we looked at the qualities of a color earlier) we will see that The Word is a sound - and what is sound? A vibration - a resonance. The idea that the beginning of everything was a resonance that was God and then other resonances developed, some in harmony with the God resonance some perhaps a little out of tune, and the great variety of resonances (string theory) allowed us to be here to experience whatever it is that we are experiencing. Pretty cool, eh?
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 11:16 AM |
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sciurusniger
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Linda Goodman spoke to that in her book, "Star Signs", Pete. Good stuff!
And yes, Beach, I believe that our vibrations "mesh" better with some than others.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 11:22 AM |
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Pete73052
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Thanks Sci,
I've read Sun Signs, but not Star Signs. Astrology, for some reason, hasn't attracted my attention too much (this life ).
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 11:44 AM |
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Red69Sun
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I have made it through (and enjoyed!!!) most of Linda Goodman's books: Sun Signs, Love Signs, Star Signs, and Relationship Signs, but never had made it through Gooberz. I have picked it up a couple times .........and just not been able to get in to it........Any body out there care to inspire me.........about Gooberz? Thanks!
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 12:25 PM |
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sciurusniger
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Oh, Red, Goooberz is wonderful! Read it like prose instead of poetry. It is an amazing and very deep story that will speak to you as if it is your very own. (Reminds Self to pull it out for a long, lazy afternoon...soon.)
And Pete, Star Signs isn't about astrology so much as...quite literally star signs. Meaning, the so-called mysteries. I highly recommend it.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 2:27 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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Hey folks! I'm back...Smile....
RedSun, oh my God...Gobertz by Linda Goodman...
Don't know what she was taking when she wrote that book. :P
I threw it out....But really did like her other books...
As far as natural first attraction, Beachnut and Pete I have to
agree, it is the resonation, enlightened vibrational levels that
match on first meeting....And Pete, yes the metaphysics and
"String Theory" applies!
I often find many people jump right back into relationships
after a breakup. From a metaphysical standpoint and emotional one,
it is the worst thing a person can do. Those who will not reflect
intrinsically upon themselves and the failed past relationship will never
raise their spiritual energy/vibrational level to the next stage...
In the end, they remain at the same energy rate, and attract,
and pull in like a magnet, the "Same" partner at the same level as before.
Just like a broken record stuck in its grove....
Another words, the lessons were not learned and will, and must
be repeated, again....
Besides just thinking of it logically, how can anyone ever expect
"Better" the next time around...when they do not look in the mirror,
expand their consciouness on past errors, only to move forward with
a more refreshed outlook and chances for success?....
In metaphysics, the law is:
"Like Will Attract Like".
This will never fail...
I love this thread, so many intriguing folks!
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 3:52 PM |
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Beach, although the others have already responded to your question, I would just like to add that this 'meshing' you speak of between two people does not only apply to romance, but also to every single person you ever come in contact with, and in any situation you could find yourself in.
We all have auras that extend beyond our visible physical bodies, so it follows that our auras would 'touch' , and 'know' each other, and this would be where that feeling of 'rightness' or 'wrongness' comes from.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 4:31 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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Empath:
I couldn't agree more on human Auras and their immediate affects
on our surroundings and interactions with others. "It's not just
a mother's intuition..we all have that sense. I feel people need to
pay more attention to it to help themselves out in choosing the
right approach, words and so forth....
Regarding Astrology...I think you are also hitting on the same wave
length of my own thinking and theory....
It's my theory that underlying the basic laws of "Astrology" is a
mathematical grid....This grid, is based on the magnetic laws
of Physics. Its force of push and pull
affects every soul's electrical vibrational resonance. Souls are
born, I believe, at specific times to carry out specific life lessons.
This is greatly determined by our soul's very individual vibrational
level.
Therefore, the magnetic push and pulls of the surrounding planets
in our system will greatly determine each of our birth dates and time.
Thus our tendences to possess very specific "Traits" under certain Sun
Signs and others planets that move in/out of our system...all relies
on this magnetic pull on our spirit...
Anyway for those out there food for thought as it is my "Theory".... :}
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 5:48 PM |
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Meadow: are we postulating?? May I too, then?
I often find myself nodding my head as I read the posts made in this thread...
However, although I do not disbelieve that souls are born at specific times for specific self-chosen purposes, I do not have any thoughts on this particular topic. I do read what you all post, but still do not know where I stand on the subject. I do believe that each of us has a purpose, and that we must serve our purpose before we can move on. Just at what level, I have not figured out.
My thoughts and theories tend to sway towards the overall pattern, rather than individuals when it comes to Spirit. When I contemplate where our species has 'advanced' to, I feel sad. Somewhere along the path, man has decided it is okay to play God, yet he barely understands how his own body works, let alone the planet and beyond. I sense a strong need or 'pull' as you might call it, for a large gathering of ability to 'pull' energy back into alignment. This last statement is a gross understatement of the dimensions of the problem and task at hand.
The ability is out there, it is just very disjointed. My theory is that it needs to be connected, sort of like connect the dots, but with a purpose. I understand that I cannot convince everyone, nor do I really expect to convince anyone, for that matter. Why I have elected myself for this task, I know not. I have not the education most of you have, nor the talent. I only sense that it needs to be done. And soon. So I merely do all I can do.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 6:05 PM |
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Pete73052
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And Pete, Star Signs isn't about astrology so much as...quite literally star signs. Meaning, the so-called mysteries. I highly recommend it.
OK, I'll have a look next time I'm in Borders. Thanks!
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 6:21 PM |
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Pete73052
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I do believe that each of us has a purpose, and that we must serve our purpose before we can move on. Just at what level, I have not figured out.
Yes, I'm not a big fan of pre-destiny. I think we evolve into our destiny - we find our purpose, and it may not have been pre-planned. We stumble into circumstances and opportunities that we focus on with intention or ignore completely - that's our free will.
I sense a strong need or 'pull' as you might call it, for a large gathering of ability to 'pull' energy back into alignment. This last statement is a gross understatement of the dimensions of the problem and task at hand.
I like to think the problem isn't as bad as this. I think as each person "pulls" into alignment, he helps the persons next to him pull into alignment too (remember my choir analogy). With each new person in alignment, the pulling becomes easier.
The ability is out there, it is just very disjointed. My theory is that it needs to be connected, sort of like connect the dots, but with a purpose. I understand that I cannot convince everyone, nor do I really expect to convince anyone, for that matter.
I don't think it's a matter of convincing anyone. I think if you do things with an intention, others will convince themselves. It's like a river that gets bigger and bigger and runs faster and faster with each new stream that joins it.
Why I have elected myself for this task, I know not. I have not the education most of you have, nor the talent. I only sense that it needs to be done. And soon. So I merely do all I can do.
You're doing plenty. You're here talking publicly about it and that's a great accomplishment in and of itself. Focus on your intentions and let your resonance touch others.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 7:16 PM |
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sciurusniger
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I think we evolve into our destiny - we find our purpose, and it may not have been pre-planned.
I was taught and have since observed that one's "best destiny" is shown in the birth chart, however, the rest of the natal chart may or may not support the gifts and lessons shown by it. Yet, even when it seemingly goes against the grain of one's nature, so to speak, I have, time and time again, seen that acting upon this little clue brings a person their greatest joy in life.
The same point in a composite (i.e. "relationship") chart also serves in similar fashion as a clue to the overall purpose of the relationship.
Synastry has always fascinated me. 
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 7:56 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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Interesting viewpoints from all!
In my perspective our lives are determined by three major factors:
1. Pre-planned choices made prior to birth in this realm...
2. Unpredictable "Cause and Effect" events that will throw
detours and curve balls in our lives...
3. Full freedom of choice, creating detours in the road of our
lives that can lead us in a completely different direction previously planned
"Unto the Road Less Traveled"....as Thoreau so eloquently expresses it..
Any one, or all three, will carve out, each soul's "life path".
I always find that it is dangerous for emotionally vunerable people to seek
out fortune tellers... As all thought forms create our reality. If someone
suggests some negative event...it could become exactly that just by the
person focusing on and manifesting it into their "Reality"....
In the end I think we are truly the "Masters of our own Destiny"...
and God (of which I do not believe is neither male or female),
the Universal Conscious does not judge,..The only
judge in the end, is ourselves.
As for the "Universal Social Consciousness", I feel there has been
a gigantic leap forward but still not enough....At least people are becoming
more socially conscious at this point in humanity...But global war, global warming and it's predicted effects, extinction of our wildlife, and massive overpopulation are impressive issues that are looming and need to be addressed on a urgent global basis...The more each one of us gets involves at the local level, the better our
chances....These issues are just for our unreliable elected politicians, it's everyone's issue....Don't you think???
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 10:23 PM |
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sciurusniger
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I think your "three factors" are quite valid. But to clarify something, having a "best destiny" and one's individual "path" are two separate ideas. Therefore the path a soul chooses to take in any particular lifetime may or may not reflect the primary lessons/gifts (the "best destiny") for which they chose it.
Making someone aware of this simply provides them with, sometimes, a better understanding of what might well be, based on the rest of their natal chart, a foreign "urge" they've never really been able to fathom. It provides a different way of looking at themselves and what they do, provides more choices since the idea of a "best destiny" is not something that is locked in stone (e.g. "You WILL have six children, live in a house with a white picket fence, and sell your handmade quilts at the annual church bazarre"; that is fortune telling and far removed from what is considered real astrology). Instead think of it as giving someone a symbol with which they can work and so create their own personal and unique manifestation of it.
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| Apr 22, 2006 @ 11:22 PM |
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Astrology has assisted me many a time over the years. I have never sought it out for fortune telling purposes, nor do I believe it should be used for that, but it is an invaluable tool for basic character evaluation. Growing up, I was never in one place for very long, so I never learned many social skills, and as an adult had great difficulty trying to learn how to get along with others. Over the years, I realized that as I learned the traits of each of the signs, it was easier to figure out how they would 'take me'.
Of course, no one is 'exactly' as the signs are defined, as we are all a product of many influences, including our parents, our friends, our environments, and our experiences. The more you understand the principles of astrology, however, the better the characteristics fall into place. For instance, some of the planets affect us individually, as they change from hour to hour (example the moon-although not technically a planet); others affect us more as a generation, as they seemingly remain in position for many years (example Jupiter or beyond). It is truly amazing, to me anyway, how close a chart comes to depicting the character traits of a person.
Which reminds me.........many years ago....some bloke did my chart in his spare time, and he seemed impressed by the fact that I was an "Earth Mother". Is anyone familiar with this term? I have not been able to find it, or it's meaning, and I am wondering if maybe it was just his own personal jargon....
Anyway, I am rambling here.....
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